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[pajarito 0]

It’s not just about morality and what God started it. Like I said before, A marriage consisting of one man and one woman is the ideal situation for the rearing of children. That is the primary purpose of marriage. Not only will homosexual (I’m not going to say gay) marriages lead to normalization of an obscene and selfish lifestyle, homosexual couples who adopt will raise children with their same views and promote further homosexuality. This will also take away children from normal married couples wishing to adopt. You're also for letting, what, maybe 3% of the population change the definition of probably the most important institution we have in this country. The family is the foundation for everything.

[benny 0]

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This will also take away children from normal married couples wishing to adopt.

I don't think this is really much of a concern considering that we have couples going to China, Russia, wherever so that they can get a "baby". Children who have aged to some extent have so much less value to them, what the hell do I care if to "gay" people take the leftovers. I guarantee you it's a hell of a lot better than state care. And it's not like we're all of a sudden gonna have a problem of not enough people procreating.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[turtlespeed 212]

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That was a specific response to turtlespeed and a general response to any government involvement in religious (or moral) issues. My point is that, particularly considering the widely varying opinions within the majority religion in the US, gov't involvement is bad for those who would or would not prefer that government and not god be the utmost authority.

So, it sounds like you think that the government should be God?

Well in that case it should be able to do whatever the hell it wants.

That's bad, MMKayyyyyyyyy.

I think it's time for Michele's obtuscity [sic] police to come out. Gimme a break man. Government is not god, to those without a belief in god it may however be the utmost authority aside from self. You, apparently would prefer that government be based on god. My point is that this is bad even for those that believe in and worship whatever god they may.

Apperently your reality is different - My religious affiliation is neither yours, nor anyone elses buisness. I'm sorry you don't agree.
Just as taking away someones religious rights is not yours to do, nor is it anyone elses. Freedom means you can do what you want as long as it injures noone. Dictating to someone that believes in a God that he or she cannot worship a God, because the site of the worship offends some one that does not worship the same or at all, is just as bad as government mandated religion.

So when you are trying to preach for "Government separated from religion" take a look at what you want the government to do. Are you so sure you just want to take away the rights of the people that pray?

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[pajarito 0]

I'm saying that you shouldn't promote that by legalizing homosexual marriage. How do you know it's better than State care.

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Apperently your reality is different - My religious affiliation is neither yours, nor anyone elses buisness. I'm sorry you don't agree.
Just as taking away someones religious rights is not yours to do, nor is it anyone elses. Freedom means you can do what you want as long as it injures noone. Dictating to someone that believes in a God that he or she cannot worship a God, because the site of the worship offends some one that does not worship the same or at all, is just as bad as government mandated religion.

So when you are trying to preach for "Government separated from religion" take a look at what you want the government to do. Are you so sure you just want to take away the rights of the people that pray?

Where did you get any of this from my previous posts? You're really stretching here, be careful you don't pull a muscle. You can and should worship whomever the hell you please, wherever you please. When you use government funds to let others know who you like to worship, you're going too far.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[benny 0]

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I'm saying that you shouldn't promote that by legalizing homosexual marriage. How do you know it's better than State care.

OK, I'll admit that I don't know for a fact and that I only surmise that it would be better to live under the roof of two gay people who actually want me around than to be a ward of the state supported by millions of people who are pissed off that they have to pay for my life.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[pajarito 0]

I'm tired of that freakin' "newbie" beside my name. Only 5 more to go.

[skydivexxl 0]

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If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Might have nipped AIDS in the bud with this one.

[Luv2Fall 0]

Man with a mission.

[pajarito 0]

THAT's...the way to stir the pot!

[SkydiverRick 0]

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If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Might have nipped AIDS in the bud with this one.

Wow! That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read! Any more words of wisdaom?

[skydivexxl 0]

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If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Might have nipped AIDS in the bud with this one.

Wow! That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read! Any more words of wisdaom?

Where did AIDS originate, Einstein?

[SkydiverRick 0]

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If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Might have nipped AIDS in the bud with this one.

Wow! That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read! Any more words of wisdaom?

Where did AIDS originate, Einstein?

Theoretically transmitted between primate and man... do you have proof it was sexual? Do you believe everything you hear?

[skydivexxl 0]

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If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Might have nipped AIDS in the bud with this one.

Wow! That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read! Any more words of wisdaom?

Where did AIDS originate, Einstein?

Theoretically transmitted between primate and man... do you have proof it was sexual? Do you believe everything you hear?

Notice the word "might"? No I don't believe everything that I hear, your posts for example.

[kallend 1,651]

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Or are you saying that the government has no business legislating morality, that is up to everyone's own conscience? That the government should mind its own business (the Libertarian viewpoint that I espouse).

It's not clear to me what you are trying to say.

I answered it once but I'll explain the answer. I think that the government should mind it's own business in personal matters. In other words, what two consenting adults (or three) do in the privacy of their own bedroom is no ones business but their own. I personally have no problem with most victimless crimes. If someone wants to ruin their life on cocaine, thats their problem. Crimes that involve other people are another matter. I don't have a problem with gay unions (or gays in general). It does not affect other people. I am in agreement that the are trying to hijack a word that already has a very definite meaning. Beyond that give them the same rights that I have, The gays should be careful what they ask for though they just might get it. Gay divorce is just around the corner.

[skydyvr 0]

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I couldn't care less what anything is called. I also don't think those opposed to homosexuals getting hitched (sorry about the poor usage) give a crap (damn did it again) about that.

You are quite incorrect on this.

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[SkydiverRick 0]

I'll leave it at that. I don't believe in pissing matches over the internet. Too impersonal. Not nearly as fun as in person...

[benny 0]

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I'll leave it at that. I don't believe in pissing matches over the internet. Too impersonal. Not nearly as fun as in person...

See, even we can agree on something.

[pajarito 0]

Looks like it's dead so I'm going for numbers.
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[benny 0]

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You know they can bump you down if you post senseless stuff to increase your numbers right??

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[pajarito 0]

Didn't know that. I guess that's like doctoring your logbook. Sorry. It does feel better, though.

[Amazon 7]

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If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

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Might have nipped AIDS in the bud with this one

Uh so I guess someone in Vietnam is having Karnal Knowldge with chickens and that is how the bird flu has spread to humans.

Get a clue, disease can and does spread from animals to humans ALL of the time. It does not necessarily follow that it occured by sexual transmission.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Living/wnt_monkeypox030610.html

This case illustrates something that doctors have long known — that animal diseases probably cause most of the microbes that infect human beings. A Scottish study reported that 61 percent of human infectious diseases originated with animals, as do 75 percent of all "emerging diseases" — the ones that have appeared recently.

Some examples:

The first human AIDS cases may have been transferred from chimpanzees.

West Nile virus moved from birds to mosquitoes to people. It is now found in 44 states.

SARS, sudden acute respiratory syndrome, may have come from civets, a breed of wild cat, in China's Guangdong province.

Even measles may have been transmitted from animals 5,000 years ago.

If nothing else the last 20 years SHOULD have taught conservatives that its not just a GAY disease...just look at Africa. Millions of people with it or that have died from it, and I would venture to say MOST are heterosexual.

To have had the disease nipped in the bud... just a very little amount of money to the CDC that was begging for funding from the Reagan administration might have curtailed it. But it was more important for the gay people among us to be punished for their unholy and lewd lifestyle ( their words not mine) and very damn little was done by the administration. So now it afflicts heterosexuals far more widely when it could have been stopped.

[billvon 2,435]

>A marriage consisting of one man and one woman is the ideal
>situation for the rearing of children.

A union consisting of two men who care for a child is a better situation than a man and a woman who neglect their child. A single mother who cares for her child and works is a better parent than a man and a woman who both work and who pay a nanny to care for their child. Ideal parents are one that spend time raising their kids, no matter what their sexual orientation. (Unless you believe that gay parents will "corrupt" their child or something, which is a favorite of many homophobes.)

>Not only will homosexual (I’m not going to say gay) marriages lead
>to normalization of an obscene and selfish lifestyle . . .

No more so than straight couples who use birth control. A gay couple that adopts is being a lot more selfless and noble (in terms of passing on values to the next generation) than a straight couple who decided not to have children.

>homosexual couples who adopt will raise children with their same
>views and promote further homosexuality.

No problem there, unless (once again) you fear homosexuality.

>The family is the foundation for everything.

Freedom is the foundation for everything in this country. Freedom from religious persecution (the imposition of other's values on society) is a big one.