Remster 24 #101 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotere cutting away from wraps.... Isn't it a _general rule_ that the low person cutsaway first? Yes, I was the low person. Cool Someone before asked if hookitt should have chopped first. I was just clarifying... damn speeling... As a general rule, Wrap: bottom cuts away 1st; Entanglement: top cuts away first.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #102 March 2, 2004 Remster, Could you please clarify the difference between a wrap and an entanglement? Is one around a person and the other around a canopy? Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarcie 0 #103 March 2, 2004 Thanks for explaining. I watched the video a couple of times, but I have to admit I couldn't tell what exactly happened. I'm really glad you're both okay. I'll look forward to seeing you in California again soon, Tim! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jarcie 0 #104 March 2, 2004 QuoteRemster, Could you please clarify the difference between a wrap and an entanglement? Is one around a person and the other around a canopy? Kelly I have the same question... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #105 March 2, 2004 I bet poeple with lots more CReW experience would be better suited, but: Wrap is when a jumper's body is in the other's canopy. Usually, the top person still has a fully functioning canopy, so with the lower person cutting away first, the top may just have to slide off the jetissoned canopy off him and just land his/her main normally. Entanglement is when one jumper went through the lines of the other canopy, making the lines entangled. Both mains are FUBARed at that point and, usually, the bottom will act as an anchor and the top will spin around. This will make the top cutting away 1st cleaner as he'll be thrown away. If you still have parts of your body in the lines, all bets are off! lol Mind you, CReW mal are very dynamic beast and no 2 are alike. These are the general rules as they were thaught me, but again, you need to judge on a case by case. Edit coz I cant type without typos!....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #106 March 2, 2004 QuoteWrap is when a jumper's body is in the other's canopy. Usually, the top person still has a fully functioning canopy, so with the lower person cutting away first, the top may just have to slide off the jetissoned canopy off him and just land his/her main normally. More than likely that would have have happened in this wrap as well.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #107 March 2, 2004 OK great, now can I please get some rapturous admiration for my 'What is the Hookitt loading on Brit's canopy?' remark? I deserve a better cyber environment, you guys suck. Will PS and I don't give a shit how much you grovel this time Tim - I absolutely am not interested in answers to any nagging questions I PM you in future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #108 March 2, 2004 QuoteOK great, now can I please get some rapturous admiration for my 'What is the Hookitt loading on Brit's canopy?' remark? It was funny dude... I laughed. Edit:... Nice avatarMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #109 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteOK great, now can I please get some rapturous admiration for my 'What is the Hookitt loading on Brit's canopy?' remark? It was funny dude... I laughed. Edit:... Nice avatar Dont encourage the boy......Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #110 March 2, 2004 I'm thinking of something green, smelly, fat, lazy, slow and ugly - what can it be, what can it be.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 212 #111 March 2, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking of something green, smelly, fat, lazy, slow and ugly - what can it be, what can it be.... Anybody says Turtle and it's gonna be LIGHTS OUT!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #112 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteOK guys, here it is, turn that sound up http://www.airinsanity.com/index/crw.htm Here's a mirror: http://almgren.net/sky/crw/ And another: http://oma.jaffie.com/matt/sky/crw/ Enjoy! Editing so screamer can understand: I'm posting again so the links to where the video can be downloaded will be back near the end of the thread. That action makes it easier for the rest of the users to find them. My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #113 March 2, 2004 QuoteReviving the links "Reviving" the links? What the fuck is "reviving" the links? Ego monster! Edited to add : I hooked a live one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 212 #114 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteReviving the links "Reviving" the links? What the fuck is "reviving" the links? Ego monster! It's kinda like a *Bump* Fucker Style!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jethers203 0 #115 March 2, 2004 Spec "fuckin" tacular. You guys did awesome!!! I must ask though. Was there anything that could have been done better? Just so me and everyone else could learn. I am not criticizing anything, just would like to know from the people first hand. Thanks. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aero04 0 #116 March 3, 2004 Wow. That's a nasty situation to be in. Just glad both of you are ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #117 March 3, 2004 QuoteSpec "fuckin" tacular. You guys did awesome!!! I must ask though. Was there anything that could have been done better? Just so me and everyone else could learn. I am not criticizing anything, just would like to know from the people first hand. Thanks. Clint D-24352 Quote from Tim: We were both in deep brakes. I'd asked her to let it fly faster but that didn't happen. Rather than staying at the side, I tried for it any way. This is something I know better than to do. I, brits17, should have let my canopy in full flight instead of stayin in brakes. Timmy should not have gone for it. Any more input Tim? _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jethers203 0 #118 March 3, 2004 Tim, If it happened again, would you spend more time freeing the lines that were under your arms? Those lines could have really messed things up in my opinion. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #119 March 3, 2004 What is the name of the song in that video? By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #120 March 3, 2004 QuoteIt almost looks like he's smiling. The situation looks hilarious 7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #121 March 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt almost looks like he's smiling. The situation looks hilarious I think I hear a big DOH!!!!! in the soundtrack.... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #122 March 3, 2004 Hind sight being 20/20 there's a load of things I'd do different. But to answer the question specifically, Yes. Knowing what I know now, I would be able to evaluate and determine that my parachute began to fly again. I think that I could have completely removed her canopy from my person and land the main. ThCan't be sure though. If the main was not landable I would cover the reserve handle rather than grasp it. Ensured that I fell away from the mess then pulled the reserve.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #123 March 3, 2004 Watching that, I am delighted to hear you are still both alive. I love walking on topskins and toe-dragging endcell to endcell, but I only will do it if it's part of the plan and the other jumper is basically flying hands-off. So, this video really has me thinking. Canopy size/shape and deep brakes issues aside, at what altitude were you when you attempted the dock? Looked like Brit's alti was reading 2k when she was under the reserve, and she didn't take that deep of a delay. I personally have hard and fast altitude cut-offs for both contact and no contact CRW. Just wondering if you do too. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #124 March 3, 2004 A couple of other thoughts: I'd like to see the educational posts of this thread separated and moved out of TalkBack. Second, if I am the first person to cutaway, knowing I share the same air column as the other jumper, I am gonna do my best to get horizontal and vertical separation with a subterminal track and/or sucking it down to the bargain basement (at least in this case) before I pop the reserve. Any reasons I shouldn't be thinking this way? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #125 March 3, 2004 QuoteLooked like Brit's alti was reading 2k She was pulling on her toggles at about 2.5 Quote I am gonna do my best to get horizontal and vertical separation with a subterminal track and/or sucking it down to the bargain basement Actually you probably wouldn't. The first thought is usually to get open. Besides she was FLUNG_WAY_ THE_HECK_ AWAY from me. Horizontal seperation was already taken care of. Don't go taking a long delay after a cutaway. It's not worth it.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Jarcie 0 #104 March 2, 2004 QuoteRemster, Could you please clarify the difference between a wrap and an entanglement? Is one around a person and the other around a canopy? Kelly I have the same question... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #105 March 2, 2004 I bet poeple with lots more CReW experience would be better suited, but: Wrap is when a jumper's body is in the other's canopy. Usually, the top person still has a fully functioning canopy, so with the lower person cutting away first, the top may just have to slide off the jetissoned canopy off him and just land his/her main normally. Entanglement is when one jumper went through the lines of the other canopy, making the lines entangled. Both mains are FUBARed at that point and, usually, the bottom will act as an anchor and the top will spin around. This will make the top cutting away 1st cleaner as he'll be thrown away. If you still have parts of your body in the lines, all bets are off! lol Mind you, CReW mal are very dynamic beast and no 2 are alike. These are the general rules as they were thaught me, but again, you need to judge on a case by case. Edit coz I cant type without typos!....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #106 March 2, 2004 QuoteWrap is when a jumper's body is in the other's canopy. Usually, the top person still has a fully functioning canopy, so with the lower person cutting away first, the top may just have to slide off the jetissoned canopy off him and just land his/her main normally. More than likely that would have have happened in this wrap as well.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #107 March 2, 2004 OK great, now can I please get some rapturous admiration for my 'What is the Hookitt loading on Brit's canopy?' remark? I deserve a better cyber environment, you guys suck. Will PS and I don't give a shit how much you grovel this time Tim - I absolutely am not interested in answers to any nagging questions I PM you in future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #108 March 2, 2004 QuoteOK great, now can I please get some rapturous admiration for my 'What is the Hookitt loading on Brit's canopy?' remark? It was funny dude... I laughed. Edit:... Nice avatarMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #109 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteOK great, now can I please get some rapturous admiration for my 'What is the Hookitt loading on Brit's canopy?' remark? It was funny dude... I laughed. Edit:... Nice avatar Dont encourage the boy......Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #110 March 2, 2004 I'm thinking of something green, smelly, fat, lazy, slow and ugly - what can it be, what can it be.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #111 March 2, 2004 QuoteI'm thinking of something green, smelly, fat, lazy, slow and ugly - what can it be, what can it be.... Anybody says Turtle and it's gonna be LIGHTS OUT!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #112 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteOK guys, here it is, turn that sound up http://www.airinsanity.com/index/crw.htm Here's a mirror: http://almgren.net/sky/crw/ And another: http://oma.jaffie.com/matt/sky/crw/ Enjoy! Editing so screamer can understand: I'm posting again so the links to where the video can be downloaded will be back near the end of the thread. That action makes it easier for the rest of the users to find them. My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #113 March 2, 2004 QuoteReviving the links "Reviving" the links? What the fuck is "reviving" the links? Ego monster! Edited to add : I hooked a live one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #114 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteReviving the links "Reviving" the links? What the fuck is "reviving" the links? Ego monster! It's kinda like a *Bump* Fucker Style!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #115 March 2, 2004 Spec "fuckin" tacular. You guys did awesome!!! I must ask though. Was there anything that could have been done better? Just so me and everyone else could learn. I am not criticizing anything, just would like to know from the people first hand. Thanks. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aero04 0 #116 March 3, 2004 Wow. That's a nasty situation to be in. Just glad both of you are ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #117 March 3, 2004 QuoteSpec "fuckin" tacular. You guys did awesome!!! I must ask though. Was there anything that could have been done better? Just so me and everyone else could learn. I am not criticizing anything, just would like to know from the people first hand. Thanks. Clint D-24352 Quote from Tim: We were both in deep brakes. I'd asked her to let it fly faster but that didn't happen. Rather than staying at the side, I tried for it any way. This is something I know better than to do. I, brits17, should have let my canopy in full flight instead of stayin in brakes. Timmy should not have gone for it. Any more input Tim? _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #118 March 3, 2004 Tim, If it happened again, would you spend more time freeing the lines that were under your arms? Those lines could have really messed things up in my opinion. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #119 March 3, 2004 What is the name of the song in that video? By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #120 March 3, 2004 QuoteIt almost looks like he's smiling. The situation looks hilarious 7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #121 March 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt almost looks like he's smiling. The situation looks hilarious I think I hear a big DOH!!!!! in the soundtrack.... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #122 March 3, 2004 Hind sight being 20/20 there's a load of things I'd do different. But to answer the question specifically, Yes. Knowing what I know now, I would be able to evaluate and determine that my parachute began to fly again. I think that I could have completely removed her canopy from my person and land the main. ThCan't be sure though. If the main was not landable I would cover the reserve handle rather than grasp it. Ensured that I fell away from the mess then pulled the reserve.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #123 March 3, 2004 Watching that, I am delighted to hear you are still both alive. I love walking on topskins and toe-dragging endcell to endcell, but I only will do it if it's part of the plan and the other jumper is basically flying hands-off. So, this video really has me thinking. Canopy size/shape and deep brakes issues aside, at what altitude were you when you attempted the dock? Looked like Brit's alti was reading 2k when she was under the reserve, and she didn't take that deep of a delay. I personally have hard and fast altitude cut-offs for both contact and no contact CRW. Just wondering if you do too. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #124 March 3, 2004 A couple of other thoughts: I'd like to see the educational posts of this thread separated and moved out of TalkBack. Second, if I am the first person to cutaway, knowing I share the same air column as the other jumper, I am gonna do my best to get horizontal and vertical separation with a subterminal track and/or sucking it down to the bargain basement (at least in this case) before I pop the reserve. Any reasons I shouldn't be thinking this way? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #125 March 3, 2004 QuoteLooked like Brit's alti was reading 2k She was pulling on her toggles at about 2.5 Quote I am gonna do my best to get horizontal and vertical separation with a subterminal track and/or sucking it down to the bargain basement Actually you probably wouldn't. The first thought is usually to get open. Besides she was FLUNG_WAY_ THE_HECK_ AWAY from me. Horizontal seperation was already taken care of. Don't go taking a long delay after a cutaway. It's not worth it.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
