Pack volume of PD-9 cell vs Silhouette

[T_P 0]

I have been told that a Silhouette 190 will fit in a J3K Javelin container (originally sized for a Sabre II 170).

Does anyone know from personal experience how easy a Silhouette 190 fits,l and whether a PD 9-cell 210 would fit in the same container?

[riggerrob 558]

Did you look at the volume chart on the Sun Path (Javelin factory) website?

[glgflyer 0]

I can't find a volume chart on the sun path website, only a square footage chart. How do I get to the volume chart on their site? I would like to see it if it exists. Thanks

[DBCOOPER 1]

I have had a PD230 and a PD210 in a early 90s J3. I also had a Spectre 190 in one. The spectre was new and it was a real bitch to get in the bag.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[T_P 0]

Thanks for the post. Does that mean you think a F111 210 would fit easily in a J3K? At the moment it is sized for a Sabre II 170, which is a nightmare to get in.

Tom.

[DBCOOPER 1]

I have had a PD210 in a J3 no problem.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[Jcoff89 0]

the pre K-series javelins have different sizing capabilties though. a J3 can easily fit a 190, while a J3K will have a pretty tough (but do-able) time getting a zp190 in her. The K-series odysseys aren't designed to go up a size as the regular javelins were.

The J3K is sized for a zp170, yes, and could fit a zp190 canopy as well although it will be very tight and stressful on the container. a J3 will give you much less (almost none) hassle getting a 190 in.

I myself have a J3K due in about 3 weeks (FINALLY!!!!) and i will be putting a sabre190 in her for a couple of months before im ready to fly a 170. i talked to sunpath about this and they said it was do-able but wouldn't recommend it for too long as it will stress the container more than need be.

If you plan to overstuff a K-series like that, just be careful and gentle. don't yank or jam it closed, be slow and smooth in closing it, and avoiding storing it for long periods of time while it is closed.

When mine gets in, i only plan to have it packed while it is on my back waiting for a load, or in the plane. No need to stress the container while your rig is sitting in the closet throughout the week.

long story short, silhouette 190 most certainly will fit in your J3K. it will be tight and you must be gentle, but it can be done. PD210 might be a little more fun to try... depends on how small you can get it. let me know how that goes :)

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[T_P 0]

That is really helpful - cheers. I had the impression that a Silhouette was considerably smaller than a Sabre II for the same size though. So if you can get a Sabre II 190 in a J3K it should be fairly easy to get a Silhouette 190 in - is that right, or is there a flaw in this logic? (Silhouette has an F111 bottom skin and apparently packs smaller than the equivalent Sabre II). I should warn you by the way that my Sabre II 170 is a very tight fit in the J3K container - and the few times it has been packed in tehre were by somone with a lot of experience.

[Gato 0]

Your logic isn't exactly flawed - the idea is that you can squeeze the air out of it (perhaps) quicker than an all-ZP canopy, and it can therefore pack a bit smaller, or may go in the bag easier, etc.

Also, the type of lines either canopy may have can be a major factor - a Silhouette 190 with dacron lines would likely pack the same as (or larger than) a Sabre 190 with spectra lines.

All you can do is try it and see if it works.

I've attached the canopy comparison chart that comes with a ParaGear catalog. It may be helpful.

T.I.N.S.

[Jcoff89 0]

yes, the fabric of a sillhouette is not really any smaller than that of a same sized sabre2, its like gato said: f111 fabric is easier to deflate of all its air while packing, allowing for a seemingly smaller pack, as well as the less slippery material often helps with tighter and smaller packs.

another thing i might mention that could play a good role in determining an overstuffed canopy/container size match is your reserve. depending on how tightly the reserve is packed, and its orientation of material in the bag, your main can slide into the tray more easily than other times.

for example, my friend is in the same situation we are, stuffing a larger canopy than his odyssey was designed for. our rigger packs his reserve really high up in the container,stuffing as much up into the ears of the freebag as he can, in order to make a little more room in the main tray. I AM NOT A RIGGER. ASK YOUR RIGGER WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE ON CREATING MORE ROOM IN THE MAIN TRAY. just an idea though that might help you out :)

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