bluewaterstream 0 #1 February 19, 2004 Would you all agree that this is a safe method of stowing excess brakeline? Do any of you currently stow your brakes this way? Ever hear of anyone having a negative experience with this method. Any advantages or disadvantages? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #2 February 19, 2004 on my sabre1 the lines are much longer, I use this method, or something approachingscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #3 February 19, 2004 I store mine like that and haven't had any problems. Advantages? Keeps the excess brake line from flapping in the breeze. Disadvantages? If you had a brake fire but the toggle stayed in place is it possible for the loop of brake line that's under the elastic to be pulled taught and lock over the stiffener at the bottom of the toggle? If you see what I mean. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StearmanR985 0 #4 February 19, 2004 I was taught to stow the excess in the same manner save for one thing. The excess goes on the opposite side of the riser as compared to the break line going up from the locking ring. Does that make any sense? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #5 February 19, 2004 Yes, I stow my line that way. I find it easier (with tight elastic) that I 'follow' my toggle tab, and then put the tab and line excess in the keeper together (does that make sense?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluewaterstream 0 #6 February 19, 2004 QuoteI was taught to stow the excess in the same manner save for one thing. The excess goes on the opposite side of the riser as compared to the break line going up from the locking ring. Does that make any sense? By opposite side, I'm assuming that you mean the left/right side of the riser? Therefore, if the brake line is heading up the right side of the riser from the locking ring, then the excess would be stowed on the left side of the riser beside the toggle. I think I'm understanding you correctly, but just want to make sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #7 February 19, 2004 That is similar to the way I do it. No problems yet (600+ jumps).Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StearmanR985 0 #8 February 19, 2004 QuoteBy opposite side, I'm assuming that you mean the left/right side of the riser? Therefore, if the brake line is heading up the right side of the riser from the locking ring, then the excess would be stowed on the left side of the riser beside the toggle. I think I'm understanding you correctly, but just want to make sure. Yep, that be it. Specifically, I move my brake lines to the inside of the risers and the excess to the outside then tucked in with the bottom tab of the toggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floormonkey 0 #9 February 19, 2004 I noticed that a customer who chose to stow their brakes this way seemed to experience premature wear of the lower brake line at the point where it entered the lower keeper; it seems the thread on the toggle caused excessive wear. Checked a few other rigs and saw the same worn brake lines in the same place. Correlation does not equal causation, but 4 out of 4 that I inspected all showed the same kind of wear. If it matters, all canopies were lined with Spectra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #10 February 19, 2004 QuoteI noticed that a customer who chose to stow their brakes this way seemed to experience premature wear of the lower brake line at the point where it entered the lower keeper; it seems the thread on the toggle caused excessive wear. Checked a few other rigs and saw the same worn brake lines in the same place. Correlation does not equal causation, but 4 out of 4 that I inspected all showed the same kind of wear. If it matters, all canopies were lined with Spectra. Can the lower brake lines be replaced without having to do any work on the rest of the line? -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #11 February 19, 2004 I've used this method and am not 100% happy with it. The canopy I do this way has enough excess brake line that even looped in half and tucked in, it sticks out to the sides a few inches. The problem is after opening it can be tricky to get my hands into the toggles and release them without putting any part of my hand (or altimeter) through the excess brake line. Now, I know I'm paranoid, so I can't say this method is unsafe. I can only say it does not make me "really happy". What makes me really happy is the velcro wrappers that almost completely enclose the excess brake line, which is S-folded in thirds. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #12 February 20, 2004 QuoteCan the lower brake lines be replaced without having to do any work on the rest of the line? yes --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cssriggers 0 #13 February 20, 2004 QuoteYep, that be it. Specifically, I move my brake lines to the inside of the risers and the excess to the outside then tucked in with the bottom tab of the toggle. I've always liked the idea of having the brake line inboard of the riser and the excess outboard. Then when you stow the risers in your rig, the excess brake line (regardless of your stowage method) is at the bottom of the riser trough, thus better protected.Alpha Mike Foxtrot, JHL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #14 February 20, 2004 Quote The problem is after opening it can be tricky to get my hands into the toggles and release them without putting any part of my hand (or altimeter) through the excess brake line. this can be remedied by running the steering line on the "outside" of the riser and stowing the excess line on the "inside"....that gives your hands access to the toggles without having to fight through the excess line a good illustration here from BR's website, illustration 14.6-32... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluewaterstream 0 #15 February 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteCan the lower brake lines be replaced without having to do any work on the rest of the line? yes Approximately how much would a rigger charge to replace both of the lower brake lines? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
