blair700 0 #1 April 24, 2003 Looking for opinions on the best container for wingsuit BASE jumps. Would love to hear comments and experiences with your choices. I've searched the archives and found some stuff, but any help is greatly appreciated. BSBD Blair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyFlyer 0 #2 April 24, 2003 Hey- Check out that sweet Morpheus Tech. Gargoyle with the "dynamic corners". Yes, I'm completely biased since I own two but the rig is nicely designed from an air flow perspective and the dynamic corners allow the tray to open completely so that the tail pocket and canopy don't snag on the container during high forward speed wingsuit deployments. http://baserigs.com/gargoyle.html Baxter Base 733. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #3 April 25, 2003 Clicky!!!if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #4 April 25, 2003 Damn, that rig is so fu¢kin' sweet."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #5 April 25, 2003 Yo ! At the moment, there is only one wingsuit-specific container on the market, Vertigo's Merlin. It is by far the best one to use with a wingsuit, at least perfomance-wise. You can really notice a difference on the long flights. I have tried to push BR and CR to make something like that, but so far no luck. If you don't care about your flight perfomance, any of the containers in the poll will work equally well safety-wise. If you use Warlock, make sure it has a plastic-stiffner in the pin cover flap ("wingsuit mod"). bsbd! Yuri. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blair700 0 #6 April 25, 2003 Thanks to those who've posted so far... Yuri, the better flight performance you speak of..is this mainly due to the shape of the merlin container? I don't know much at all about this container, I was late to b-day last year and missed the trade show. I need to order some new boots next week, so I'll ask marta about it when I call, any further info on this rig, or any others is greatly apprectiated. Blair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #7 April 25, 2003 QuoteYuri, the better flight performance you speak of..is this mainly due to the shape of the merlin container? Exactly. The shape is the most important issue here. Once you learn to fly well, the container drag becomes a noticeable issue. The exact numbers will vary but i remember Patric getting about 10% better perfomance just by adding a deflector to his skydiving rig. Merlin has a teardrop shape with most of the bulk on top and in the middle of a container, which is a much better solution. If you don't fly a suit or track hard, it works just like any other 2-pin rig. bsbd! Yuri. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 April 25, 2003 QuoteAt the moment, there is only one wingsuit-specific container on the market, Vertigo's Merlin. I'm not sure if they'll build it for the general public or not, but I do know that Morpheus built a wingsuit specific rig (a modified Gargoyle), on request for Robert Pecnik (who basically told them what he wanted in terms of airflow considerations).-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julesUK 0 #9 April 25, 2003 I may be being "thicker than a whale omelette" but I can't find anything about the Merlin; any links anyone? cheers, Jules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #10 April 25, 2003 QuoteI may be being "thicker than a whale omelette" but I can't find anything about the Merlin; any links anyone? I don't think they've updated Vertigo web site in a while. Email or call Martha and Jimmy: phone /fax (435) 259-1085 [email protected] bsbd! Yuri. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyp 0 #11 April 25, 2003 OK, we are guilty of not updating our website in awhile. Give me one day and I will have a link to pictures and a description of the Merlin. I will post it here. Thanks, Jimmy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biscuit 0 #12 April 28, 2003 The All New DEFIANCE. ****************************************** The last mosquito that bit me had to book into the Betty Ford Clinic. -Patsy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyp 0 #13 April 28, 2003 The Merlin is designed specifically for wing suit flight. The reason that it has been rather difficult to find information on it is because we have just finished prototyping, testing, tweaking, retesting, etc… With the help of Yuri and a few other test jumpers, we are now quite sure of the design of the Merlin. What separates the Merlin from a standard BASE rig are the following features: When a person flying a wingsuit throws out the pilot chute, it is usually recommended that they continue to track through the deployment sequence. With a normal BASE or skydiving rig, the bottom corners create a lip which can distort the pack job as it is pulled over it. The “cornerless” bottom of the Merlin allows the parachute to be extracted towards the feet without having the bottom of the container(created by the sewn corners) in the way. The bulk of the pack job has been distributed with the thinnest part at the bottom of the rig, much like the trailing edge of a wing. The bulk has been moved upwards with the thickest part in the middle of the rig and a medium bulk filling the top of the container. The rig has been tapered back to the width of the tail pocket at the bottom to provide a cleaner airflow(on a normal BASE rig, this is the widest part of the backpad.) The rig has been made a bit longer to make grabbing the pilot chute easier with the wingsuit due to the angle of the BOC(not perpendicular to the jumper’s body as on a normal BASE rig or skydiving rig.) The BOC must be angled to provide a cleaner airflow over the bottom of the rig. The pin cover flap is tucked up into the top flap to create a no drag situation which could possibly open the pin cover flap. Stiffeners have been added to the pin cover flap for the same reason. One thing to note is that in these pictures, this is the prototype prior to narrowing the bottom of the container, we've also done some cleaning up of the bottom corners and a few other minor changes. Thanks! Jimmy and Marta edit: picture added ~Tom Aiello Share this post Link to post Share on other sites