BobKnoss

Shutter, had you EVER contributed ANYTHING worthwhile you might have a point. But since you are always going in the wrong direction with the ball like "Wrong Way Harrigan" it can only be assumed that your opinion is as bad as your analysis of anything to do with the Cooper case. You are an obvious nay sayer, bah humbugger, and have no value as an investigator. You'd be prime material for the Innocents Program to concentrate on. Anything you touch is monkey poop. Get a job at Hardy's, you don't even qualify for Mac and Don's University. Straight "F's".

Now, if you were really interested in the bag, I can probably get you to the guy who actually owned it. It belonged to the guy who photocopied and banded the money. It was the only thing he had available at the time that met the requirements. His comment was that everyone had to do something, and that was his contribution. This was told to me by a mutual NW pilot friend. It also is the truth. It can be verified. Of course, you are not really interested in what really happened, only fabricating some parallel story to cover the conspiracy the Government executed on John Q. Public.

Nobody repacked the dummy chute.

Like a broken record, over and over. Facts are facts and they stay the same. Others could confirm that quote if they wanted to, but that would be telling a truth, which on this forum is something just short of miraculous. God forbid that anyone tells the secret. You had it right when you speculated, "I noticed everyone claiming "someone" packed all 4 chutes? there was on 3 chutes that were functional, where did the 4th packed chute go? or did the dummy get in the mix up when delivering them? Ckret also claims that the dummy chute had a white canopy in it, I thought they were filled with foam among other things. could the chute have been a working chute, and someone wrote dummy chute on it? just a thought...... " I'll confirm the white canopy in the dummy chute, and Cossey did not pack it. I will also repeat that this is the chute Cooper used and he used it on his BACK! Listen to my words. This is the way it was.

Fixed. What do you mean by 'where is Hayden's other chute?' I think it went out the door with Cooper... You guys are making this more complicated than it really is. Read the PDF excerpt. Hayden gives extensive details on both chutes, gets one back from the FBI later. Neither belonged to Cossey. He was just the person who packed them. The evidence is nearly overwhelming on this point. Hayden claims ownership forty years ago, via the PDF. He does the same thing in the Bruce Smith interview. The FBI and the courts agree, returning the second chute to Hayden later. What more do you need? agreed, until I remembered what Robert99 was saying about Cossey modifying the chute. that's the only proof we don't have, other than Cossey's word..... WRONG AGAIN, Shutter. The chute Cooper used was NOT packed by Cossey. He used the one marked with the "X" which was sewn shut. It was packed by the guy who trained him to jump and I witnessed the whole thing. You can speculate forever, but the fact is that what really happened is what I am telling you. I had spoken to Cossey. He said, "There are a lot of important people involved here....." I'll confirm that.

Or Visa-Versa.

It is his charge to discredit any truth. Anything to further his cause will be used. We are not sidekicks. We just both have the same story, one tells all, the other only tells what she thinks can be swallowed by the public. Theory being that if she can twist the story so it sounds good, somebody will buy it. Tell them about the guy called "Cap" that Duane talked about. Dare you!! Tell the stories you told me that I confirmed as truthful. Badmouthing me does not change the facts, only enhances them. I do not want the story. I have no financial interest. My only wish is that the real facts are available for anyone who really wants to know, and that nobody is harmed in any way for doing what was, at the time, a secret Government necessity to break a deadlock in airline safety regulation legislation. FACT. Facts can't be argued. Simply look them up. It is all available in black and white and quite easy for you to understand. Unless it is your job to bury the truth and you took an oath to do so. I have violated that oath. Bite me.

"Otherwise the thread will give birth to yet another "milk can". Or another "peeping tom"! Richard Floyd McCoy reported to me that (Dan Cooper) buried the money in a milk can he found on the farm with a shovel which he also found on the farm. I personally received complaints about "Dan Cooper" peeping in bedroom windows of my apartment tenants. I personally caught him with grass clippers peeping in lower level bedroom windows early in the morning. I have identified Dan Cooper by his photographs.

Jo: "NO ONE would or could believe the REAL story and yet NO ONE believes Duane was Cooper!" I KNOW Duane Weber was Cooper. The FBI knows Duane Weber was Cooper, as do the rest of the Norjak participants. If you think the FBI can solve the Boston incident and not have grasp on Cooper after all these years, you got you head up yer butt. It was as I told it here on this forum. An inside job authorized by the White House, supervised by an FBI Agent, planned by a Northwest pilot and an Army Special Services Sgt. and performed by a released prisoner with a medical problem. The FBI is not as good at fabricating facts as they are in sorting them out. It's hard to keep a secret when so many people know the truth. Tell them the whole truth, Jo!! Half-truths are the same as lies!! It was exactly as I say. I know first hand what happened and THAT is fact.

Comforting thought. We're all equal. Competition is pointless. It's a predestined tie every time. I wish I were Snow's equal on research ability. 377 Thank you. I just moved up in the World. God, I love it when this happens! Now, if we could just get an admission from one of the players that my leaking information is accurate to fact and not poo-poo. I find it totally giggle-time to watch these cleaners try to counter my leaks. It is like a Roadrunner cartoon. Be-Beep! Bite me! Be-Beep.

__________________________________________________ That says it all.....another great post, Mrshutter45. MeyerLouie Jerry Thomas is an imigment of your facination. Bah, Humbug. Sasquash in drag. I know Jerry Thomas, and he ain't no Jack Kennedy! Hi Jerry. Remember telling me about your character and the gold mine, etc.? Memory like a steel trap, right Shutter?

NEED CLARIFICATION 1. Backpack Cooper jumped with. Cooper jumped with ONE chute. The other chute he left on the plane. 2. The remaining Backpack on the plane - is that the one he cut the cords from to secure his package or did he cut the cords from the Dummy front pack and then threw the chute out. 3. Front Pack -1 - one he used. 4. Front pack - 2 was a dummy. Exactly WHAT was left on the plane and from which of the others did he cut the cords from. The good front pack? The dummy front pack? OR the other GOOD chute? Please someone ACTUALLY answer this without a lot of Mumbo Jumbo. I have read the accounting several time and it is NOT CLEAR at least not to a layman. Duane jumped with what you call the "dummy". It was a front chute he put on his back. It was marked with an "X" and sewn shut. He cut the sewing with his Boy Scout knife that he carried in his right front pants pocket all the time. He showed me the knife. He cut the chords off the other chute and used them to tie the money to his front. If he did what he was trained to do, this is what he did. Based on my experience with Blue Bird, I'd bet lunch that he performed just like a robot that was programmed. Everything EXACTLY as directed.

Whew!! Finally at last. Thank you. Now you know.

Would that they could. No drugs were used on me, just hypnosis by a certain Dr. Black. Follow the Dr. and the lawyer and you will find the sequence of events. From Ray to Duane to Jim Jones and all over the place. But that truth is too far out for you stuck-in-the-mud nay sayers. I'm not the only voice.

Facts don't change, only your rendition of them. Twist things to satisfy your warped sense of justice. Sorry, fella. You are ALWAYS wrong. I might vary a bit now and then, but I'm always doing the best I can to relay what is correct. You are a roadblock to the truth.

Yup. Dead twice at least. Speaks very distinctly for a dead guy. Good healthy belly laugh too. He's laughing at you! Weird sense of humor, huh? He wanted to see the look on the Agents' faces when they got his messages/pictures, etc. You are a choice example of over-reaction to a leak of the real facts. Bite your lip. Facts is facts.

You are just jealous. You know nothing. You want everyone to know nothing. I know most all of it. Must be a few things I don't know, however. Like why you think you know so much when you are always incorrect. Funny that way.

"Cossey as a licensed rigger wouldn't be packing a dangerous canopy in a one chute emergency bailout rig." Cossey did not pack the chute 'Cooper' jumped with. It was packed in 1968 and put in storage. I heard the xxx guy describe how he put it in Cooper's storage... "I packed my chute for you and put it in your locker.... I put three X's on the front and sewed it shut. Look at the stitching so you can recognize if anyone has tampered with it.... I put it in over the top. Those places were meant to keep things in, not keep things out." (Wherever that was.) These are just a few excerps from an extended conversation on our front lawn in 1968. I have the FULL conversation. And I have 50 more pages of quotes from training sessions like this. That is what really happened. Not this fairy tale that keeps expanding like the national debt.

Sounds like a real live Snipe Hunt to me. Total waste of calories. Didn't Mt. St. Helens bury the NW? I thought everything north of California was timber strewn wasteland. Powdered ash and new growth. And you looking for footprints??? Well, you probably all need the exercise and comradery. Onions, eggs, beans and beer would make for a great exchange around the campfire. i.e., Blazing Saddles. Onions and eggs in the mornin', Beans both noon and nite, Beer all through the evening... Drinkin anything but Lite. Oh, the music goes down and around, And it comes out here... Onions, eggs, beans and Beeeeeer It's wearin' my colon out, Dear.... It's time fer a change of diet, For food like they serve at the Hyatt, Like steak and beans, and BEEER! Laurdy, pew.... WoW! The stench around here. Robert, have you got a dime? Can you take the time? I need oxygen, dude! I'm dyin' here.

In talking with Agent Carr, he apparently knows where it was. He said there was no way it was Cooper's chute because it was from the wrong time frame. That should be the end of that discussion. Moreover, it was not in the vicinity that Cooper actually jumped according to more knowledgeable sources who remain incogneto.

__________________________________________________ Okay..... BK may be really off on that one, but is he the only one? We can't even get the straight story on the parachutes themselves -- the "Cossey scandal" still leaves me confused. What's the real story? Who really packed and delivered the parachutes, and what's the real deal with the dummy chute, and which two (it was two, right?) chutes did Cooper actually take? I've heard lots of things on this issue, and maybe I need to do my own research on it. Meyer Louie I was not on the airplane, I was present at the training session where Duane Weber (using the name Dan Cooper or "Coop") was told to mount the front chute on the back with parachute cord to provide an area where "Dan" said he wanted to tie the money across his front. Now you can argue til you are blue in the face. I wrote down every word of that entire conversation in my notes and I remember the entire thing from those notes just like replaying a color film. Sorry, but I will NEVER be swayed from what really happened. What happened on the plane might have been different, but from the feedback given to me, everything was exactly according to instructions. I did not get everything, like how he got his boots aboard, but he did have them. Mac said so. Sometimes you just gotta take a leap of faith. bullshit That is about the biggest load of bovine excrement I have ever heard in the annals of parachuting.. DUUUUUUUUDE get a fucking grip on a modicum of reality. That amount of afro-engineering of some wild ass lashup could only work in the fucking Twilight Zone. Seriously... take up stamp collecting or something less prone to inducing hallucinations.. Hey it could happen! HA-ha. XXX SAID that NOBODY knew it could be done and that he'd have to reach for the ripchord. EVERYTHING was supposed to be backwards, just like dislexia. Amazing how fortuitous XXX was. Everything he said came to pass, just like if he had been a time traveler gone back to try to fix 9-11. I told you why Dan chose that particular flight. Passenger traffic was expected to be minimal. It was semester break for BYU and the attempt was to associate BYU students to a prank, hence the skinny tie, college type clothes, and the BYU pin drop. XXX could post for the fight on a Holiday and get it. The flight could be altered without detection to fly over Dan's chosen drop site. Practice and planning make perfect. That's the way it was, no matter how much you want to try to make light of it. And the FBI knows it, under the covers.

__________________________________________________ Okay..... BK may be really off on that one, but is he the only one? We can't even get the straight story on the parachutes themselves -- the "Cossey scandal" still leaves me confused. What's the real story? Who really packed and delivered the parachutes, and what's the real deal with the dummy chute, and which two (it was two, right?) chutes did Cooper actually take? I've heard lots of things on this issue, and maybe I need to do my own research on it. Meyer Louie I was not on the airplane, I was present at the training session where Duane Weber (using the name Dan Cooper or "Coop") was told to mount the front chute on the back with parachute cord to provide an area where "Dan" said he wanted to tie the money across his front. Now you can argue til you are blue in the face. I wrote down every word of that entire conversation in my notes and I remember the entire thing from those notes just like replaying a color film. Sorry, but I will NEVER be swayed from what really happened. What happened on the plane might have been different, but from the feedback given to me, everything was exactly according to instructions. I did not get everything, like how he got his boots aboard, but he did have them. Mac said so. Sometimes you just gotta take a leap of faith.

All of the claims of my "lies" and false information are in themselves made-up arguments of intentional twisting of facts. Every single statement I have made can be explained logically and backed up by others who will not speak. It is all truthful. The is a concerted effort to block my statements and to put me in a bad light, make me out to be crazy or a liar, but most of all not correct. Sorry people. I AM CORRECT. What I say is fact, it is whet happened. Deny, deny all you want. Facts are I tell what really happened. McCoy "Died" twice, once from a staged shotgun blast by Nick, and once from leg cancer from a radar gun. Since I talked to him recently, I suspect they were covering various identities. He is a targeted undercover guy with lots of enemies. It is better you don't believe me on this anyway. "Once there was one, now there are three, find my wife and you will find me." There are probably four now. These "non-believers" are cover-up artists and "watchers" at work. We have them pegged and verified. FBI told me to keep doing what I'm doing, so I do just that! Stupid Government games we play. Illegal as all Hell, but I suspect it still goes on everyday. Take that to the bank.

70 today. What was it? around 45 years ago this Dan Cooper project was hatched in the minds of two pilots, still living, as a parachuting challenge, a Union beef about pilot safety, a desire to install a locking device for the stairs of a new 727, the discussion of guns in pilots hands, the PLO and a few hijackings, a pilot killed, and memories of the Empire State Building crash. Thoughts of flying people bombs and the need to demonstrate to the airlines the necessity for metal detectors. Enter Nixon's new FAA Exec. A pilot by trade. A pilot organizer. And a revised plan of two pilots thoughts for a demonstration to become a demonstration for the Montreal Air Piracy Convention and the Congress of the US to show need for the proposed FAA boarding inspection laws. The Congress baulked at unpopular legislation, so "GO Project Norjak!" Nixon said, "There you go!" and issued his Executive orders for instituting mandatory widespread changes in airline safety. And that's the way it was back when things were done the J Edgar, Nixon, etc. way. And THAT's the truth. I'm here to tell it.

Duane went down the stairs face first. He jumped off the second to bottom stair and the stairs came back up and hit him in the leg. McCoy learned from this and backed down. Truth. Duane pocketed some cash and buried the rest under a tree in a milk can using a shovel he found at an abandoned farm. When he came back to dig up the money he could not find the tree. A flood had changed the course of the river. Truth. The money arrived at Tenna Bar by natural means, as a result of the same flood by all logic. These are facts of the matter of the DB Cooper hijacking executed by a group of pilots from the FAA with the assistance of specific FBI Special Agents, orchestrated by Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., and a certain group of former pilot friends of mine. Truth. These are facts as relayed to me by the parties involved. Anything else is mere speculation or cover up. This is what really happened. Now listen to the sooth sayers and story spinsters try to attack something so simple as the truth with accusations and uninformed fantasies that can never be substantiated. What I say could be verified by many insiders, they just will not speak. I will. It was a Tricky Dicky authorization of a ploy for a different purpose. And that's the truth. So help me, God.