CaretakerAl

Jo, it is not worth your effort. Please ignore him. We know what we need to know and he is just a troubled man. Don't be upset with him, I think he is just trying your patience. Jamie, cut it out, please. The lady has enough grief without your harassment. Take a clue and lay off! Trust us, you have been misled and we are all sorry. Face facts and cowboy up.

I respectfully decline to respond. EOM

No, no. no. no. Cockpit radio. And yes, you can see the pump house from 10,000 feet. It is brighter than a lighthouse.

"Duane NEVER mentioned a milk can...." Mac, Jo, Mac. Not Duane. Mac! I never talked to Duane after August 1968. I talked to Mac up into 2000 or so I think.

Radio vectoring and sighting the lighted pump station as a jump point make any sense? I don't know about any of this stuff, just what was said. KAJW4899 out.

"I know a lot of guys who work outside in below freezing temps. NONE of them go in "just jeans and flannel shirts". Good thermal underwear, lined jeans, sweatshirts, lined bibs, etc, etc. They wear a lot of layers that they can peel and replace as they need to. " Cooper wore two pair of thermal long-johns under his suit and shirt plus his boots. Gloves?? If you knew the weather, wouldn't you? He was no longer a novice, but I doubt he ever tried a cool weather jump before. Could have dropped altitude also. He pulled on the count of 10. He would have warmed up quick with the hiking. Landed clear in the woods. Buried his 'rig' under a Ranger's tower that is gone now. Never said a word about being cold. He was not living in Minnesota before the jump, so that whole theory is out the window. I freeze my cachangas off every time I step outside, and I'm fat. He was not, but he had a couple glasses of antifreeze. Seems you are arguing over punctuation, guys. Fact is that he did do it, without injury, and without complaint. Must not have been as hard as you think.

The flight path you have seen over and over was 15-20 miles east of the true flight path. Makes sense as it lines up perfectly with the pipeline and the lighted pump station, the Portland go-around per Himmelsbach and the Janet report. My map is sloppy. Use some good maps and watch your eyes bug out!

Never been there. As I stated WAG.

Duane said he had to hike 15-20 miles. I do not know which direction, but it was along a clear cut trail. I thought the pipeline because it matched the flightpath. I respectfully decline to provide further information on your proposition. You have my PM. EOM

"Over along I-5 in Ridgefield or Woodland along the Columbia River...." That is where I show the probable jump spot based on the information I was given by everyone. I put everything together and came up with the area you describe. Pictures were posted on Carr's Facebook.

Nothing was ever said to me about how he got out of there, but I think Jo indicated he had parked a car there? Would stand to reason he would have something there to dig with and bury money in. I would, if I were going to a place I knew, car and all... Sure wouldn't want to be caught with a case of cash. Duane only referred to it as "his place (he) pointed out on the map." Jo refers to it as an old abandoned dairy farm with a cabin by the river. Mac referred to it as "A tree down by the river." I think is is safe to assume it was by a river. Anyway, everybody agreed that it is all gone now.

"The Boys" is slang for the FBI and the FBI students at BYU. Mac's initials were on the back of his medallion. Duane got it off Mac's dresser when he made a visit to Mrs. BIG problem. Appearance was to wear a narrow black tie and dress like a typical BYU student, loafers, drop the pin, by act like an ex-con, carry a grudge, don't smile under any circumstances, ,drink bar whiskey, (which he did not do because he hated the taste), smoke Raleighs. Put on some green camio, get the passengers off FIRST (which he did not do because he got flustered) Duane had been used successfully in jobs before. He was minor crimes criminal, not dangerous, had an ailment that would take his iife without proper care. Mac said he was Indian and not afraid of heights. He had just been put in the can in Ms. and was a prime target for a special deal. "They" would get him a job, take care of his health full-time in exchange for this death-defying rear stairs jump. If it worked, Mac would follow suit. Duane got a job with the Insurance Co. that paid NW and a full-time aid from the FBI office in Cleveland.

OK. So, I make the cut? About time. Everything on FB is true. See ya!

The entire program was based on what would happen according to the rules and regulations. The rule stated, "If it looks like it could be a bomb, you must assume that it is a bomb." The instructor specified red paint on wooden dowels with a wad of wire. I was not on the plane. If the instructions were followed, it was red wooden dowels.

Duane was not picked for his look-alike characteristics to a BYU student, the objective was to throw it back at the FBI. BYU students... FBI...The Boys.

I used to think it was the BYU medallion, but Mac said he got that back, so that can't be it. Carr says that what he has on his desk is tie clip, but I know that wasn't on the plane. So, you got me by the short hairs. Duane used the "X" marked rig, so the other one, less chords would be there, probably his street shoes, the narrow black BYU tie, the empty paper bag probably, some painted red wooden dowels and a wad of wire. Any of the above could also have gone out. That should be it.

To me Duane looked closer to the picture of him smiling which was a much earlier picture. I never would have guessed him to be 45, he looked much younger to me until he bent down to clip some grass and I got a different view of his face, then the age showed more. The stews apparently pegged him at 45 though. Once you saw that smiling face you would never forget him. Amazing smile! That is what I remember most about his appearance. He also had a "jailhouse tan."

Al, I do have an agenda and that agenda is to resolve the Cooper hijacking. What's yours? Do you know how much paper money can be stuffed into a milk can? What is the volume of a milk can? My agenda is to present the truth of what happened during Project Norjack. Duane was the hijacker, and he is deceased. McCoy was a hijacker and he is also deceased. Evidence has been destroyed, tampered with and swapped out, so that nothing of value is left, except my testimony that I suffered dearly for. Our country should not be based on lies. If you can tell me why we must lie, I will be still. Milk can? I did not see the can, but I think milk cans are 5 gallons, there may be larger ones. Five gallons is 1344 cubic inches. I know cream can are smaller, what? Two gallons...too small?

I do not have dates for the return. Jo said she went with him when he couldn't find the spot. I do not know if that was his first attempt to recover the money. You are correct. He was a thief and could have pulled a fast one, but Jo never saw any signs of any money, so I think it is fair to conclude Duane Weber never got the remaining $160~K. KC probably dug it up. He was instructed to dress like a BYU student on Thanksgiving break, along with the BYU medallion he dropped, to blame it on "The Boys." They didn't wear combat boots to class back then. What is a 'rig'?

Absolutely not. Much of what Jo has said is void of what I experienced first-hand. A lot of what she has said is very similar, which is understandable given the time span and the nature of one's memory even over a short span. I wrote things down many years ago, and memory does not affect the written word. The portion in question is extremely similar and sufficient for me to fully believe it for fact.

The testimony of another poster, Jo Weber who received the same information from another source.

I anticipate no court as it would be impossible for anyone to prove anything concrete without multiple varified confessions (which will NOT be forthcoming for some time). I am not a prosecutor, or a prosecutorial witness.

Your story is just another fairey tale which continues to hinder real progress in solving the Cooper matter. Sir: You are awfully quick to light a match. Perhaps you should see what is in the barn before you burn the barn down. Or do you have an agenda? I am giving you what was provided to me by my supervisor. I was not there, and did not hand him the shovel, if there even was a shovel. You do not have to have a shovel to dig a hole.

It was described to me as a milk can he had found nearby. The person describing it to me was a third party repeating the report from the hijacker.

Second human response. I agree totally with what you state. I can briefly summarize some of what you outline. The money was secured to the hijackers body with parachute cord cut from one parachute. He landed in the woods and walked down a clear-cut to a location he knew. He buried the money in a can in a spot he thought would be easy to find, but when he returned much later, the objects he used for identifiers were gone. The area was flooded. Apparently the can had floated out of it's burial and down the river where the boy found the bundles of cash. The only money that was kept by the hijacker was a portion he took at the time he buried the can. The rest of the money could be anywhere, but it was never found by anyone of record. How is that? It is what officially happened. The paper bag? I don't think anybody knows for sure, but there was a discussion about his combat boots and how to get them on board. I believe the probability is that his boots were in the bag. He had the stews draw the first class curtains, I believe, for the purpose of changing into the boots, etc. He definitely jumped with boots. Actual experience as a jumper? My opinion is that from the conversation, he had never jumped before. They started at low altitude and worked up to 10,000 feet. He expected to go higher, but was told that was as high as he could go without oxygen. He did not show any signs of having done it before and indicated no flight time. He took a tour of a 727 at dock on the tarmac, his very first time on one. The maintenance crew gave him a personal tour of the entire plane, stairway lock and all.