TomAiello

The idea that people might actually know what's best for themselves is antiquated, and somehow equates with shamanism?

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After all, the probability of it's happening by chance is only 200,000,000,000 to one against.

The governator has a staff comprised of an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite number of typewriters?

Next up, "Cash for Clapboard!" Let the government demolish your house, and give you twice it's present market value in cash! Guaranteed to drop vacancy rates, increase housing starts, and jump-start home sales! What's not to love?!

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I really didn't think it was being sold as an economic plan with environmental benefits. Rather it was supposed to be an environmental plan with economic serendipity.

That was not my understanding. Perhaps it depended on who the politicians were trying to "sell" it to?

You do understand that it's possible to oppose the president's agenda because you think the agenda itself is a bad idea, right?

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>what if nobody "managed" healthcare?

An excellent idea! We could let people choose their own healthcare...

To do that, you'd have to dismantle our current, disfunctional, employment-based healthcare system. And there are way too many people sucking up slop from that government trough for such a thing to ever happen.

Here's a revolutionary idea--what if nobody "managed" healthcare?

We could just let each individual person manage their own health, and their own care, perhaps in consultation with an expert like a doctor, if they wished.

Ok, that's a pretty far out idea, I know.

I'll admit I had to use google to find out what a 'carny' was.

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Please read this article about how non-profit hospital corporations are driving healthcare costs way up.

Please read this recipe for a scrumptious kitten almond ding.

Cook Your Pet.com and The Wall Street Journal--equally authoritative sources in the world of internet debating.


Just curious, did you have a look at that article at all?

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Health care should be run as non-profit across the board.

Please read this article about how non-profit hospital corporations are driving healthcare costs way up.

"Non-profit" does not mean "sweetness and light."

Thanks!

Wow.

So, if someone's views don't conform to your stereotype of what they ought to be, then they can't be genuine?

Now there's some serious closemindedness.

Again, the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it any less of an alternative.

Or, do you just want to see America fail? Is that it?

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I went to a pretty exclusive high school. By far, the black and non-christian students were smarter, harder working and more driven than the white christian students.

I lived in the residential honors dorm my freshman year in college. Since we were a bunch of geeks, one of the girls on my floor went around and collated everyone's SAT scores and high school GPA. On average, the Asian students had the best scores, with the caucasians generally somewhere in the middle and the african-americans at the bottom of the distribution.

Why was this? Because the program was required to maintain a rough racial balance, so it was easier to get in if you black, and harder if you were asian.

My anecdotal evidence appears to support exactly the opposite conclusion as yours.

So, you don't like it, and therefore you ignore it's existence?

"I don't like the alternative they've offered" is a long way from "they haven't offered an alternative."

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"the bill sucks, but we're not offering anything either"

Do you really believe that, or are you just spouting the party line?

GOP Healthcare Bill.

I'm really tired of hearing "those guys aren't putting forth any ideas" because it's just a blatant lie.

Of course, if you want to push that lie, you need to tie up the alternative bill in committee instead of debating it.

Once again, just to repeat:

The assertion that the GOP is not putting forth an alternative healthcare plan is a flat out lie. HR 3400 is their alternative.

Thinking someone is worthy of death is not the same as believing the state should have the right to kill them.

Do you see any difference between "you" doing that and the government doing that?

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For the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone cold bloodedly murdered your husband, or wife, or child or other relative or friend?

I'd be pissed.

But it sure wouldn't make me trust the government any more.

Why would the one thing change my opinion about the other?

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You know what's ironic - a couple of thread up the British government is getting bashed about a "suppossed" ban and this thread it silent

Yes, well, they deserve the bashing, simply by virtue of being English.

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What say you, death penalty opponents? Should we spare his life because he might be deemed innocent in the future?

You're mischaracterizing some people's reasons for opposition to the death penalty.

I do not trust the government with the power of life and death over the populace. Given that, I do not trust the government to put citizens to death (for any reason).

I fully believe he's guilty. I think that locking him up somewhere for the remainder of his days is sufficient to remove him from circulation, cheaper (generally) than a death sentence, and most importantly, doesn't give the power of life and death to an institution (the government) that I mistrust deeply.

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Exactly what party was this that this minor child/young adult went to? Was this a high school party or a college party?

From the news story, it sounds like it was an official (high) school function, taking place on school grounds, with official supervision (most likely provided by the school, if those things are still run the way they were when I was in high school).

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What I was asking is who here (visitors to this thread) believes it is a religion?

If pressed for a simple "yes" or "no" answer, then I'd say it's a religion.

With greater latitude to respond, I'd say that determining what is or is not a religion is a matter for the personal consideration of those who believe in that religion. From where I'm sitting, Scientology looks about as silly (or not) as lots of more popular religious groupings.

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Looks Like ANY Public Option is DOA YES!!!

Oh, goody! Hopefully we can lose out on another Olympics, too. Yay!

Opposing a particular political agenda (for example, a war in a remote part of the world) is _not_ the same as hoping your country fails, contrary to the assertions of whichever side happens to support that agenda.


Example:

TA: I think Roe v. Wade was a poor decision, and ought to be overturned.

BV: I don't think so.

TA: What, you want America to fail?


See how ridiculous it is?

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Maybe the question is begged: can an organization set up explicitly for the purpose of bilking people morph into a religion?

Cue South Park: "Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!"

Hilarious! I love it!