Royd

Obviously, you aren't voting for Obama.

Yep. I recently accepted a position that was previously occupied by a man. I do have some unique experiences that will be helpful, but I don't have his experience. Told them I needed twice what he was paid. They didn't blink. Gave it to me. Kinda cool how that works. Are you saying you're getting paid good money just to screw off?

The problem with your vocabulary lessons is that I just can't seem to fit those words into everyday conversation.

Faith has no logic? that is very interesting to me my freind especially coming from a skydiver!!! So when you jump out your not hoping that everything will work out for you? Thats all faith is my friend, you Quotesee the joy of your jump, jump, then you hope with possible death right at your door, and your hope is filled with that joy when you land. Is it not logical to believe that you will land when you jump out? I hope so, otherwise I would be sort of concerned! It is funny the things we can accomplish when we believe, but somehow the method of science isnt what brought me to the exit door is it? So it seems to me that belief and faith have all the power in the universe. It is after all mans mind that will destroy it. Something that goes against logic actually, why would we destroy our own habitat? Let me guess, thats Gods fault right? I would suggest before any of you jump again to at least read the Gospel, you have the choice to ignore it. But, I wouldnt want to lead you to the truth or anything! First, it is our minds that give us the power right? I mean thats what science is all about. Those with faith choose to give that power back in exchange for true power, Logic may describe this as humbleness. Those who are humble and who submit to themselves not being the grandest thing on the earth are in a position to recieve the wisdom of the beginning, which if we understand correctly, is actually the wisdom of the end as well, as wisdom has revealled itself more and more. But if we know already that the wisdom of the beginning is the wisdom of the end, then why not just find the wisdom of the beginning? Its like that song simple man, and it is the very wisdom that Jesus came with. The wisdom that gives all live and all power to the beginning and the end. Those who choose faith feel it is logical to seek the power of the beginning which coincedentally is love. Had we stayed with that, the world would be grander, as it is, we had something working against this simple but powerful force all along. Call it the ego, call it evil. All man does is seek to prove everything and that is where our power is lost. Why do we spend all of our time and energy seeking to prove something anyway? Isnt life way way too short for that? Another thing, this girl who loves to dis believe in God talks about finding Joy. Just a question for thinkers, but doesnt joy and hope combine? If she doesnt believe in God, how does she have hope for life after this life? Another thing, why do people think that desiring a righteous life and living it is so boring or un-rewarding? I lived full on in sin and it got me nothing but heartache in the end. A life that is driven by love is adaptable to anything and much more able to deal with disasters ect... This girl also said that she loves her family, but hasnt life shown us that in an instant we can lose that? Then where are we? Shouldnt we try to connect with loves source, be it in your brain (as it is with some of you) or in your heart, where it is for most of us? Jesus' message is I love you and I want you, and wouldnt it be wise to at least listen to the wisdom of those who adopt the wisdom of the ancients? We need to understand that nothing we do is new, where the excitement in life is for me at least is in knowing there truly is a God (Jesus says God is spirit) and knowing that the God of all things made feels it important enough to make sure I know that I am loved by him. When you see a beautiful sunset, sunrise, or majestic scenery, you see beauty right? (The fluids are flowing in your brain for all you science people),. but nonetheless, you feel beauty, a powerful almost indescribable connection. That is God showing you how beautiful you are to him, that connection is very powerful and if you let it, can show you the greater things in this life. QuoteStep away from the communion wine.

Is there anything new under the sun? Let me paraphrase Solomon. Same old bullshit, different day. The fact is, if you read the Bible as if it were just a book you picked up off of the library shelf, without the knowledge that there was mention of God in it, you would find a considerable amount of wisdom in the pages that is as good today as it was 4,000 yr. ago. BTW, if you deny all historical accuracy of the Bible, you are living in a fantasy world.

That's right, and it probably never will. Since it can't, why do you continue to use it as your base of proof that something you cannot see, touch , feel or measure doesn't actually exist? If you don't believe it exists because you really don't want it to exist, just say so, which, btw, is nothing more than a statement of faith. Quit trying to use some weak ass discipline, such as science, to explain the grand, complicated workings of the universe, when, in reality, you ain't got a clue.

I edited my post, but your post proves my point.

Don't you consider it the be all, end all. Without some scientific explanation, then things can't possibly exist. You can't prove that humans are a cut above the rest of the animal kingdom and actually possess souls and spirits, so you dismiss it, out of hand. I'm saying that in spite of the thousands of years of progress, we still don't know squat, in the whole scheme of things, yet some, with their overly inflated egos [where do those come from?] disregard anything that doesn't fit into their little mold of how things should be.

Not a tear to my eye, but goose bumps. Ira Hayes.

Can you say USSR?

Those Unitarians got their asses covered, then.

Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are lots of things that science can't explain. That doesn't invalidate it. Science is a method for exploring the world around us. Science is based on critical thinking and logic. Faith has no logic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet, for the thousands, or is it millions of years that we've existed, we still can't get anything right. We all should be living in a virtual paradise, what with the great intellect we all possess. Could there be a reason that we all have blinders on our eyes, and regardless of how far we, in our self congratulatory way, advance, we are basically still digging through the dumpster, looking for scraps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apparently you missed the point. You, who sing the praises of, and worship at the altar of science, talk about how it surpasses all other thought processes. It is the supreme god above all else. Why is science allowing children to starve in Africa? Why do we still have uncured diseases? Here's something to chew on. Many people like to blame religion for millions of deaths throughout the years. I might be able to beat you to death with a Bible, but I can't cut your head off with one. I need a metallurgist to extract something from a rock and form it into a sword. All that gunpowder looks purdy in fireworks, but it took a man of science to figure out that it could push a projectile through a barrel. I love the look of those mushroom clouds, but science really screwed that one up.

That doesn't mean there is no place for spirituality. Spirituality exists, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you wake up on the weekend with a sweet breeze blowing through the window, the sun shining, and the day is at your feet. [Excuse me, I forgot you're in England] Across the street, the old, arthiritic woman wakes up to just another miserable day, hoping for the day when she no longer wakes up. Are both views real or is yours just a figment of your imagination?

Yet, for the thousands, or is it millions of years that we've existed, we still can't get anything right. We all should be living in a virtual paradise, what with the great intellect we all possess. Could there be a reason that we all have blinders on our eyes, and regardless of how far we, in our self congratulatory way, advance, we are basically still digging through the dumpster, looking for scraps.

Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are not born into debt to Christ. Quite the opposite. All debts are paid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians assume a 'debt' needed to be paid in the first. They are mistaken. Sort of like buying carbon credits to pay the debt for your sin of destroying the earth, but being able to live guilt free.

So, are you admitting to something as silly as faith?

Sort of like the new fable about how we must do everything in our power to stop global warming, in order to stop hurricanes or the swamping of NYC?

The irony is that those who bitch about the overpopulation of the planet being the major cause of all problems, are the same ones bitching about the cost of tortillas in Mexico. For those of you who want to punish Big, Bad, Capitalist America, enjoy the ride.

Hmm... You start with this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe I was arguing from the atheist point of view. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And now you're at this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Their number was up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why? Either way it's by the controlling hand of God. Some would argue that the donor heart from the person who died in an auto accident, that saved their precious little girl was a miracle, even though, at the same time, it was a tragedy for someone else. Once again, though, we have two perfectly intersecting paths, that thirty minutes earlier, noone would have even had a clue. From the atheistic/ scientific point of view, everything has to be explained by reason and numbers. The truth is, that some things and situations defy explanation by the human mind.

Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, I just heard a story on the news this morning about a mail lady who was on her route when she looked and sees a 1 yr. old baby leaning out of a second story window. It fell and she caught it, unharmed. I will always call something like that a miracle, but never happenchance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Their number was up. They just happened to be a baby. Why doesn't everyone get to live to be 100yr. old? It's only my observation, but I see people who die relatively young, other than from stupidity, seem to have some kind of internal clock that they are aware of. They strive to do good with their lives. What about free will? You mean like, I come to a fork in the road, and the path I take leads me to a certain situation where the things that I have experienced in life allow me to help someone who is struggling with something, whereas, if I'd chosen the other path, I'd just be skipping merrily down the road? Since noone can see around the bend, I will continue to believe that I was guided down the path I've taken. Either way, I'd say we're both fatalists.

"The fact that you use the term 'good fortune' alludes to the possibility that there is some force at work over which we have no control. " Maybe not if you're talking about a crap game, but the way politicians use the term, 'the less fortunate, winners in life's lottery, etc' insinuates that someone has been smiled on from above. BTW, I just heard a story on the news this morning about a mail lady who was on her route when she looked and sees a 1 yr. old baby leaning out of a second story window. It fell and she caught it, unharmed. I will always call something like that a miracle, but never happenchance. Science can never explain something like this.

In most cases, several random actions have to intersect each other perfectly in a second,[consider how many seconds there have been] for this good fortune to happen. Basically, if you could break it down into a number of back stories, it would be amazing to see how many things happened years ago, only to culminate into one action today. Any mathematicians want to have a go at the possibility of five or six situations aligning themselves by random, through all of time and space, to come together at one point.

I'd prefer one of his smokin' hot angels. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which just goes to prove that God preferred a Patriarchal society. The female angels didn't even get names.

The fact that you use the term 'good fortune' alludes to the possibility that there is some force at work over which we have no control. Atheists can't legitimately use terms like good luck, the alignment of the planets, karmha, or that's just the way the chips fall. What do they do when a number of curcumstances align themselves perfectly, and they come out smelling like a rose instead of something bad happening? Of course, I believe that even the bad serves its purpose in the whole scheme of things, if for nothing more than to tell us not to go down that road again.

You, being an atheist, should consider yourself blessed. 400 years ago they'd have had your ass roasting on a stake.