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I'm old school so when I talk about Europe I mean the west. Not the Commie, eastern block side. I still think of them as the Soviet Union. The US data is right up to last week. I think it's pretty good there. I don't think 10 years constitutes cherry picking. The last few have been rough for them. That's why I looked back farther to 10 years which includes things like Sandy Hook, Aurora, and Fort Hood. It's a descent data set. And the data is interesting. There are fewer shootings in Europe because, well ordinary people don't have guns. It's not complicated. But that's not what we're talking about here. Mass shootings don't follow those rules. Europe is proof that a determined criminal can always get a gun no mater how strict the gun laws. The number of events is still a bit low for statistics but I think I can argue that the events tend to be worse. I think this is a result of fewer guns in the community. In some countries the police don't carry guns, at least not all of them. It think it leads to a longer response time till a good guy with a gun is on the scene. Europe has had more people die in the last ten years in mass shooting then the US. The events in Europe tend to be worse on average. On the other hand non mas shootings are significantly higher in the US and they're rather concentrated And oddly the concentrations are in cities with high levels of gun control. Chicago. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Actually those numbers include all dead not just the ones shot with guns so I think if any thing it's scewed against my argument. Not cherry picking here. I mint to respond to this "Maybe it's because we insist on being a nation of war and death. We spend more on that than anything else. " https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/U.S._Federal_Spending.png Defense looks to be about 16% Most of our budget seems to be absorbed with healthcare and entitlements. Just about half in fact. Doesn't sound like a bunch of cold hearted killers to me. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Some statistics. In 2010, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were committed using a firearm.[7] In 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns.[8] In 2012, 64% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides.[9] In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.[10] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[11] graph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg So yes people die with guns. Of that number approximately 2/3 of them are suicide. One third of that number are some form of homicide. "No person should be able to have these style weapons." Meaning any thing that is black and looks scary, note that they actually are not military or "assault weapons". How ever the vast majority of homicides in fact do not involve rifles or "assault weapons" of any kind, they are in fact committed with ordinary hand guns. Statistically, hardly any one is killed with an "assault weapon". If you were to remove all "assault wepions" from the country it would hardly change the statistics at all. And of all those deaths the majority of them, 2/3, are suicide. Tragic but I contend that the use of a gun was mearly convince. I think that points to the societal ills that I referred to. At this point you need to define the conversation. Are you talking about mass shootings? Or are we talking about gun deaths. You really can't use statistics from one to argue the other. These "assault weapons" are so evil, we must ban then because there are 33,000 thousand gun deaths a year. Despite the tragedy that just happened, the truth is that "assault weapons" are not used in most homicides. So the number of 33,000 two thirds of those being suicide, has no relevance to a conversation about mass shootings. Mass shooting out side the US. The US has a lot of guns. Probable more percapita then any other country in the world. We've been using France as an example. Well France is about the size of Texas and we have as many guns per person as any one in the country. I think Wyoming might have us beat but I'd have to check. They're good people up there. But lets take Texas. How many deaths have there been in mass shootings in Texas, in say the last five years, in comparison to France? I'm counting, I come up with 2 events in the last 5 years, totaling 8 persons killed, not counting the gun man. So let's go back 10 years. So now we include the Fort Hood shooting where 13 died. Now we're up to 21 over 10 years. How many people have been killed in France in the last 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_France There's a list. Not all with guns you have to read through it. And yes there are some horrendous spikes in that time frame like the massacre in the theater. But that's not the only one. Ok, so if you want to talk the whole US then it's only fair to look at... say all of Europe. Found a list for the US I'm not sure they all count but in the last 10 years I come up with a grand total of... 317 people killed in mass shooting in the last ten years http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/ I come up with 240 just in France. Can't find as good a list for all Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting#Europe You have to go through and reed about some of them. Norway was nasty. And this is in countries with some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Sorry I've been digging all through this as I tried to type. Not quite as coherent as I'd hoped but the point is that this is a universal problem and it's a relatively new problem. These events were not as common in the past and guns were even more common and accepted then. I remember when every truck had a gun rack. Don't see those much any more. They get stolen. Too much typing. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Human society. What makes people healthy? I wish I could remember the name of the study. I saw this years ago when I was a kid. I don't think it could ever be done today because it was animal cruelty. Monkeys or apes I don't recall. They really are a good analog for humans. They are prone to all the neuroses of humans. That's why they never do well in captivity. They go insane. Most apes in captivity are in some way mentally ill. In any case the study involved child hood development. I involved raising baby apes in all different ways. Basically they were able to reproduce at will any type or neuroses they wished. I look at our society, our culture and I think there is an argument that we are raising generations of sociopaths that are disconnected from their actions. And then look at the division in our country. It's like in war where you have ministries of propaganda dehumanizing the enemy. They are fascist. They are biggits. They are raciest. They don't deserve free speech. Their words alone are an attack. Is it surprising that people can justify to them selves physical violence against these people that they disagree with? I think you will find as things come out that he was politically motivated. People talk about means, motive, and opportunity. The country is full of soft targets short of a fundamental change in our culture I don't think you could remove opportunity. No more crowds at sporting events, all broadcast. No more concerts. Mo more centralized malls. I mean is that a world that you would want to live in? People think they want to attack means. That if you could take away the means that this problem would go away. First there is the fallisy that you can take away the means. The idea that you could ever get rid of guns. France has some of the strictest gun laws around and the people there had no problem getting AK's for the attacks there. Look at how many people were slaughtered at that concert. That's in a country where there is absolutely no way for a person to own an AK. And contrary to popular beleafe it's not hard to build a gun. The 3D printed things are silly because the people doing them are idiots. Most of the parts are available off the shelf. There is no need to try to print a barrel. And Metal printing is coming. We are looking at a system right not. And that assumes that removing guns from our society would stop this. If he's filled a small plane, he was a pilot, with a small bomb and improvised napalm he would have done even more damage. And that's not even being creative. The use of guns is a result of the media attention that has been devoted to shootings. The Boston bombers didn't use their guns in the attack. Their is no practical way to stop people from doing hard if they are intent on killing people and not concerned with their own survival. Motivation is the most elusive leg you could attack. I do think that it is an indicator of the health of the society. I think it's a product of detachment, of divisiveness, and the stardom created by the media. I don't think these things will end till the society as a whole heals it self. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

I'm a gun rights guy. I'll say it. This is the danger that we face as a direct result of our freedom. It's called free will. It's a choice that every single person makes in their life every day. It's a moral and ethical choice. To do the right, honest, decent, good thing or the wrong, selfish, corrupt, evil one. To open the door, return the wallet, help the weak, and make the world a better place or the opposite. It doesn't have any thing to do with guns. It's a choice that's made a thousand times a day. When people fail in these test, small failures that will never be known or savage act that will live in infamy, it's a failure of society. There are a thousand tragedies every day. When a child takes their first drug. When a man cheats on his wife. When some one steals. Individual choices but collectively as a society. Cancer is just a cell in your body but the malignancy can kill you. The real issue is the moral/ethical balance of the nation. When did right and wrong become a question of whether or not you were caught? It doesn't have any thing to do with guns. What if it was a bomb. What if some one poisoned food or medicine. Remember Tylonal? It's not a question of means. A gun is not exactly a powerful weapon. Sorry, but it's not. Let's not talk about some of the things he could of done, I don't want to start giving people ideas. The problem is there will always be a means if an individual chouses to do evil. That's the root problem. People chousing to do evil. When you tare down education, logic, ethics, morality. When you disassembly the structures that bind communities together, like churches. As people lose connection they start to become sociopathic and psychotic. I'm setting here in front of a screen. You're setting in front of another screen reading it. How much humanity is left in the world when this is our reality. As human beings become less real it's easier to become detached, to lose empathy. How many of these mass shooters are captured alive? Very few. It's a new form of suicide. One that allows them to lash out at a world that they do not care about. It's fed by the stardom. The idea that their names, that were unknown, will be legendary. And since their aim is to die no consequence can touch them. Unbound by and inhibition of ethics or morality what is to discourage them and the rewards are massive. Rolling Stone turned the Boston bomber in to a rock star. Is it any wonder that they can find suicide bombers in the middle east or a mad man in a motel window in Las Vagus? Step back and look at the larger picture of the society we are building. That is where the problems and ultimately the solutions lie. The gun doesn't matter. Next time it will be a pressure cooker. Fertilizer. Poison. Or a germ. The means don't matter. And Bill O'reilly is a smart man. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Full auto isn't the problem. The can heating up isn't the problem. The issue is that the bullet is super sonic and you can't get rid of the crack. The mic doesn't do the sound justice because it saturates. It can pick up the concussion of the muzzle blast better then it can the crack of the bullet so you get a distorted impression of what is still quite loud. Plus the camera was behind the gun. Much louder for any one in front of it. However, although not hearing safe it is still much nicer for the shooter. Or some one standing beside him. Like me for example when I'm at the range. I very much appreciate the effort some one has gone through when they have a can when they are shooting beside me. It's night and day in comparison to the muzzle blast. And if the SHARE act, look it up and support it with your congressman, passes I promise to return that curtesy. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

A stainless or titanium can, yes you will destroy it. Never the less this is what you get when you stop teaching children math in school. Even full auto that pulse is still way drawn out. You nolonger get the big shock wave from the gas expanding in a big normal shock wave. That's why it suppresses the flash. It slows the gas down preventing the muzzle blast from forming that big wave front and reigniting the unburnt combustion products when the temp spikes in the shock wave. That's why no flash. That's why a bear muzzel has such a big flash and why muzzle breaks that reflect the gas are even brighter. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

I love hickok45. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

We got an SOT a while back so we could make suppressors for a company building MP-5's It's a really nice SD can. One guy here in perticuler has a lot of class three toys including a lot of cans. I think he has more money then since. I don't think I could ever justify spending $35,000 on a gun which is what a transferable full auto MP-5 cost. You can get an incanel can or some exotic shit that will hold up under full auto just fine. The other day we were doing full mag dumps through it as fast as we could change them. We only did like four 30's but it was enough to get the can up to temp. We were testing a cover for it. The basilfill browned but held together but the kevlar thread died. Point is you can get a auto rated can if you want to drop the change. And there is nothing quiet about it. It is still good and loud. As to cooling. Most of the work is done by letting the gas expand and slowing it down before it exits the can. But there is an element of heat transfer in which the gas is cooled by the can. That does reduce the volume of the gas. There have been designs that used packing to absorb that heat. They pack steel wool into areas of the suppressor. It absorbs the heat with all the surface area. You can also run a can wet where you smear something like, white lithium grease on surfaces or into this packing. It absorbs the heat when it vaporizes cooling the gas. Tends to make more smoke and stink but there are several things you can use that way. Only last for a couple of shots till it's gone and the can is hot. But these were ligament methods for building suppressors back in the day back before they started calling every thing a component and forbidding you to replace them. Wipes... don't get me started. You see that's why we need to deregulate this shit. So we can have cheep ass proper cans with packing and wipes instead of trying to turn one can into a life long investment. Support the SHARE act! Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

https://www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve?gclid=CIO_odn8x8cCFQIEaQodHU4I5g An example of what could be done. If you look at vinal sign cutting technology you'll see some of the soft ware you might need. If you have a directional knife then you have to have an axis to rotate it along with the soft ware like the sign cutter. If it's just an omni directional pin point that a plotter like this is all you'd need Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

And in perfect timing... IT'S HERE!! It showed up this morning at the post office. I have soft ware problems on my computer or I'd post pictures of my new baby like any other proud parent. It's a monster. 50 cal with a freakin huge silencer, sorry I mean "Sound Moderator", on it. Workmanship is actually very nice. And it came with an incredibly nice case. Embroidered reinforced soft/hard case. Like a smaller version of a golf club case. Nicest give away I've ever seen. Of course it was a grand... As to suppressors used in shootings. If he's shooting supersonic then you still have the crack of the shock wave. How loud some thing is is very difficult to measure. A lot of it depends on where you place microphones and you actually need a very good microphone to measure changes in noise level with out it maxing out. Bottom line is that a supersonic round is not quiet even fired through a very good suppressor. Depending on how you measure it like... 90% the noise level of suppressed. It does make it less directional. It also removes a lot of the signature, like flash. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Rodger Nelson story. So I was a very young sky diver. The old guys, my heroes, that ran the drop zone that I learned at, A little cessna dropzone called Seagullville, the unholy trinity of Doc, Bobby, and Couch, were old friends of Rodger Nelson. They had actually met each other at Freak Brothers back in the day in side one of the speakers, long story. Couch in particular was friends with Rodger. They had stayed in touch corresponding over the years when he was in prison. They'd talked for years about him coming down to Texas for a visit after he got out. Turned out to be more difficult then you would think, he was on probation and it took a while to get permission for him to travel out of state, etc. Eventually it did happen and I finally had a chance to meat the legendary Rodger Nelson. I expected him to be taller. In any case it was a big dinner party at a fancy restaurant where the floor was covered with peanut shells. We have slightly different standards of fine dining here in the loan star state. During the course of the meal he stood up and gave a speech/story about his tale of woe, how he went to jail, and how the support of the people there had helped him through that time. It included the story of this government conspiracy, the CIA, some guy named Berry Seal and how he and every one had been betrayed and wrongly jailed. I had never heard of Berry Seal and honestly I stopped lessening about half way through this. It just sounded insane and I seriously wondered if this guy had lost his mind while he was behind bars. I mean, no story that wild could possible be true. It wasn't too long after that that I saw this movie with Dennis Hopper on cable about some guy named Berry Seal. And I was like, No way, That can't possible be true. In retrospect I wish I'd actually payed attention and listened more to that story. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

False alarm. No rifle. The e-mail I received said that my order was shipped. Yesterday the loading tube showed up in the mail but no sign of the rifle. USPS tracking simply said that the package was delivered. After running around in circles with the USPS for 24 hours thinking that a 50 cal suppressed rifle was floating in the wind I get a response from silencer co. No shipment. The rifle was never sent just the tube. It's still on back order. So it may be a unicorn after all. I guess ordering two hours after the ad went up was too slow. Must have sold out in the first five min. Makes me wonder if any exist beyond the prototype that the photographed for their add. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Conversation is getting interesting. If you think about it much of what you say agrees with my statements. Lets take blackout as an example. H110 or Lil'gun are actually very fast burning powders for the sectional density of bullets setting on top of the powder. It's basically a cylindrical case, dimintionally close to a 357 mag but with 220gr to 245gr of lead setting on top of it that's a lot of compression. It's a tall column of lead forming that piston. That is actually a very good example of a heavy bullet fast burning powder combination. And it does a very good job of burning up the powder early in the barrel. Other examples of relatively fast burning powders. Accurate No.2 would be an example. It's a fast burning pistol powder intended for really short barrels like concealed carry pistols. A lot of them are between 2.5 and 3 inches. That's a short barrel, breach face to muzzle, on a simiauto. Slower burning powders just make a lot of flash out of that short of a barrel. So using 9mm as an example. There is load data for No.2 up to 147 grain bullets. If you put that in a longer barrel, like a 10 or 16 inch carbine... The pressure really starts to drop off by the time it uncorks. Every thing we're talking about here is established load data complying with the published SAAMI chamber pressures. You don't have to get weird. In fact if it's a subsonic load you're often running much lower pressures. There is no reason to ever risk a case failure. With out question there are barrel lengths that are ballisticly optimal. But in this case you may be looking to optmise for other things. Beyond the point where the powder is consumed the velocity curve does flatten off. The standard deviation in velocity does increase. But does that really matter if your shooting subsonic? When you get beyond 100 yards your really stretching it on a subsonic shot. Not saying you can't do it but the drop starts to increase rapidly. BC doesn't help it's just gravity drop. No way around it. So does a small increase in the SD of your muzzle velocity really matter at that point? Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

There are a couple of factors. The pressure of the cartridge. The total volume of the cartridge. The ratio of volume between the case and the barrel. The weight of the bullet and the speed of the powder. Some examples. Say you have a cylindrical case, pistol case, and a longer barrel, 10+ inches. Lets say 45 ACP. By the time the bullet uncorks the barrel the gas has expanded many fold and had dropped significantly in pressure. If the pressure of the cartridge is low, again lets take 45 ACP say 21,000, then by the time it has expanded the the pressure is relatively low and the suppressor effective. On the other end of the spectrum. A bottle neck cartridge. Let's take some thing ridicules. A 300 win mag. Big ass case. High pressure, 60,000+. Every thing designed to accelerate the bullet and maintain pressure behind it down the entire length of the barrel. Lot's of gas. A 26 inch barrel is not a long barrel for a 300. It is very hard to contain that big of a pow. They do make suppressors for 300's. They're big. A lot of them reflex and are integral to the barrel. Mostly they help contain flash and cut down on dust. It aint quiet. Heavy bullets and fast powders follow a different pressure curve. You can load ammunition like that that conforms to the max chamber pressure, it's just a lighter load of faster powder. A load like that drops in pressure faster as the bullet travels down the barrel. The heavier bullet does a better job of containing the pressure and the powder is more fully consumed earlier in the barrel. The pressure will be lower when the barrel uncorks. You can make low signature ammunition that will have less flash even out of a shorter barrel and will be easier to suppress. The smaller the caliber the more effective baffles tend to be.It's just a smaller hole for gas to escape through and you can generally have a better ratio of bore to suppressor diameter. And the smaller the cartridge the less gas to begin with. And of course if you want it to be quiet it has to be subsonic. A super sonic crack is a crack. No way around that no mater how big your suppressor is. So at one end you have a subsonic 22 which really is movie gun quiet. In the middle low volume cases like pistol cases or 300 blk. And at the other end big fucking bottle necks that are punching out supper sonic any way. But for most guns they can do a very respectable job of cutting down on the noise pollution. I still like to wear ear plugs but it is so much nicer when the guy next to you at the range has a can. If every one used them there would be no, or at least far fewer, noise complaints about gun ranges. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

That all depends on the cartridge and the nature of your ammunition. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

There is some truth to that. Example, working with a company that builds MP5's, full auto MP5 $2,000 to $3,000 and that's for a stupidly over priced HK gun. One of the guys here has a transferable one, $35,000. So even non historical current manufacture designs were talking 10X+++ of real values. None of these people will let the 1982 law, forget it's name, be over turned. It's not the NFA that makes the guns valuable it's the other law that closed the transferable books to new civilian manufacture. Some of these rich ass holes would lose every thing. But the NFA it self has no real value. There is no special value to a SBR or SBS or silencer. Hell you can build one your self with a form 1. They have no real intrinsic value, nor do they have any particular resale value. They are just paperwork intensive and the hoops of red tape are really ridicules. And the fucked up thing is there are work arounds for most of them. With out boring you, SBR's are not SBR's if you call them a pistol, even if they have a stock... if that stock is a "pistol brace". It's getting ridicules. Some SBS can be "Any Other Weapons" or you can have a 410 shot gun pistol if the barrel is rifled for say, 45 LC. Or now here in Texas you can own a ShockWave Mossberg shotgun. It really truly is a SBR in every way but name. No special paper work nothing just a normal gun transfer. Suppressors are the only one that there hasn't been a work around for till now. Their actually the most useful. I hope the hearing protection act passes. I was at a range yesterday. I was shooting my first flint lock, whole new experience. Just had ear plugs in. Didn't even notice the guy next to me. He had a can. Then some one else sat down with another AR, no can, and almost blew my hat off when he fired that muzzle break. I'm almost ready to say that they should be mandatory. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

So it took CA MS, and NJ 48 hours to get an injunction against it. Fast work even for the left. I can't wait to see how this plays out in court. Mine is already in the mail. God bless Texas. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Here is how I heard the story. It was a book on silencer design, there was a history section. National Fire Arms Act, passed in the 1930's, I think 32, I'd have to check. It was an attempt to control who could own machine guns, short barreled rifles, short barreled shot guns, and suppressors were included. It was done through taxation because it's illegal to ban them. Second amendment and all that. It placed what was a wildly expensive tax on them. $200. At the time I think the Maxim, original maxim, silencer was selling for... $5.00? $200 was like huge money during the depression. What was behind this? depends on who you ask. It was the Capone gangster era. There were crimes committed with them but for decades any farmer could buy a Thompson to keep in his truck. It takes a lot of muscle to get this big of a law passed. It was backed by the big companies. It was about breaking the unions. Keeping the Thompsons out of the hands of the strikers. Think of all the old pictures of mobs of strikers being stared down by a line of private security men in front of the gate of a company, all armed with Tommy guns. The companies could pay for them and they wanted to keep that power to them selves. They are the ones that pushed it through. The purpose of the NFA was to oppress the workers of the country and keep them in their place. So how the fuck did suppressors wind up on this list. They weren't even that common. Some people hunted with them. They weren't used in murders. All that movie shit came later. There's a story. It was a favor for some big ranchers that had some pull. Some palms were greased or at least some stakes delivered. So it happened like this. Some one poached some of his... I don't recall if it was cattle or horses. Killed them. Got caught. Turns out he used a suppressor on his hunting rifle. You could get them for your lever action rifles. It was the depression. People were hungry. These big farmers were afraid that these poor vagrants would poach there live stock. Suppressors were added to the NFA list not because of any murder but over a fucking cow, or horse, I don't recall. All the movie shit came later once they were forbidden and exotic. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

I don't normally post here but I just find this hilarious and wanted to share. Just got an email with the tracking number. My Silenced rifle has shipped. It's on the way. I bought it on line. It will be arriving through the U.S. mail on Monday. No FFL. No back ground check. No tax stamp. No signature required. Totally legal. How could such a wondrous thing occur? https://silencerco.com/maxim50/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA8rSssvTSA They went live with it a few days ago. Same day that the Hearing Protection Act, SHARE act passed out of commity to the house. Just as a poke in the democrats eye. Now every one can own a silencer. All fifty states. Some they have to be shipped to an FFL but they are fully California legal. I love there ads there are a couple more videos on you tube. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

On a serious note. What would it take to swap a Javelin PC for a wings? At one time reserve PC's were considered interchangeable. Interchangeability of TSO'd parts. At most a manufacturer might state that the rig should have a reserve PC with a spring diameter of ... Then people started building more custom designs like center loops, hard caps, etc. It made since that they they started including statements in there manual saying that only their PC could be used. So I think you would need an approval of comparability from a FSDO. It's a mod. But a master rigger can apply for it. Plenty of presidents. Approval to retrofit a dyper design onto an existing reserve canopy. Approval to retrofit a canopy with turn slots, three dog house. Approval for an after market 4 line release to make a canopy steerable. So a master rigger gets an approval to install the Javelin PC. He gets a stamp. I send him my rig. He stamps it and signs it and sends it back with the better PC. Or better He stamps the PC and sends it along with a slip of paper to staple to the card. They used to sell the four line mod as a kit. I don't think you had to be a master rigger to assemble it? So who wants to do some paper work? Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Forget the FAA. They don't test any thing. They don't even do TSO testing, you just submit your own data to them. They might if presented with enough evidence and if their arm was twisted hard enough ask the manufacturer to do follow up testing to confirm compliance with the TSO standard. They wont even issue parachute AD's any more. This industry is completely internal. It's up to us to monitor and correct problems our selves. So when some one famous or well liked dies it will make a splash and people will stop buying their rigs and the company will fold. Problem gone. It's a shitty way to do business, a good company will be gone and I think they are a good company, and people will be dead. We can do better but only if we choose to. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

He's off by a factor of 2. For example first sec. = 16 ft. Remember you're starting with 0 vertical velocity. by the end of the first sec you are falling 32 ft per sec but from a standing start you've only gone 16 ft. That's why 525 is actually a comfortable base jump. Not bad at all. in fact 300 ft to impact is more common in a lot of areas. Canopy flight may be longer but the head wall is not normally 500 ft. There AAD can do it. The biggest issue as I see it is the container and deployment system. I think the army needs to let the manufactures re work it. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

I know those guys. Talked to them at length. Their shit actually does work. This contract is the driving force behind the next generation of AAD's. All the big boys are going after it. You will be seeing a whole new generation of technology coming from this. Frankly I think the guys at freefall are in the lead but you're going to see new gen AAD's from every one. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com

Over priced. Lee Lee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com