Rain-man

Quote but there is no way in hell your jump numbers is correct. unless you have had ALOT of schooling.Quote its amazing how much you can learn from the forums during work

Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rehearsing double fronts..is rehersing the most important aspect of the swoop. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what do you mean by this? Quote If i allow you to equate swooping to a rock skimming off water. Thats pretty much what you want to do. The intension is to have a shallow glide when you arrive at the threshold. The best way to start learning for this is to start off utilising double front riser approaches. It allows you to hone in your gate entry technique in an effficient way so that you have applied speed to your canopy, relieved the dive smoothly and entered the gate with grace like the rock skimming off the water. It takes away the added complexity of a heading change that turning approaches provide. Once you have this sussed out its cool because even when you progress to turning approaches..the turn ends with you facing the gates on heading ...seeking a straight-in, smooth, shallow entry. (back to square one only with perhaps more energy). Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deep diving requires some skill and some judgement but has a large element of muscle and guts in it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and this.Quote Like i said above. Turning approaches are more complex because amongst other things they result in a change of heading as well as an increase in speed. Those who have skipped developing their heading control at the double front riser approach stage may find that they lack a bit on the heading control front and risk ending up being rudder-less missiles. Yeah sure you can pull a 270 hook..but can you drive through those gates? I have seen a few people bust like this. They would have been better off doing double fronts. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..and the shallow rounded entry turns all this energy into a useful swoop. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and this.Quote The manner in which one transitions into level flight is very critical to a swoop and excelling at this increases the chances of maximizing distance yes or no? If the entry is not nice, round and smooth then you need to make adjustments which will work against your swoop. Abrupt changes in the pitch result in a high angle of attack..which kills airspeed oh well..and there goes your swoop. Best practice should be a transition that involves minimum angle of attack over a relatively long period of time.

*** Many people have moved faster than I have. Many people think that by learning slowly it will give slower results. Last weekend is the "proof in the pudding." I have never practiced on gates, never measured my swoops, and I knew going into it that I was loading 1.35 compared to 2.1-2.2 for all the guys. I did my humble little 90s and they did their kick ass 270s. I hit the gates 5 out of 6 rounds. I got a distance of 158 feet in one distance round. I scored points in 3 out of 6 rounds. *** Grasshopper. Did you kick Ian's butt? But sreiously it is suprising how many bust up their approaches into the gates due to over-excitement in pulling off hard core turning approaches..only to be too steep or just too high. All turning approaches supposedly end in straight-in, high - speed, smooth and preferably shallow entries into the gates. Rehearsing double fronts..is rehersing the most important aspect of the swoop. Deep diving requires some skill and some judgement but has a large element of muscle and guts in it..and the shallow rounded entry turns all this energy into a useful swoop. You are on top of your game and the results show it.

*** BTW:how does being cute help my coaching needs?? *** It doesnt directly help your coaching needs but just might help your coach's needs!

***you look like your a cutie., so i dont think you will have a problem finding help... *** Man. We just can't take you anywhere

Quote quit fuckin with the kids! Quote im not really..im paid to do this. Anyways kids need all the love they can get

I guess HD is just more user friendly than upright. Once you have it sussed out...you have more options available to you whilst HD. Harder to learn though..so perhaps if you are going to invest time learning something new and difficult...you want to enjoy the fruits of your labour.

You can take this however you like (with a pinch of salt because its coming from Mary Poppins) and you have more jumps than me.... Quote In the future, I want to be competing against the boys in this country and need to know what the process should be with regards to weights and swooping.Quote Its really a complex issue but IMHO usage of weights for swooping is best left for the big boys and by that i mean those who have been doing it for a while. Im not saying this from the benefits point of view but from the risk point of view. In a nut-shell if you are getting into swooping, weights are not necessary. It will be more about just being able to handle your canopy safely as is, your approach, your set up, and to hit the gates safely (you will be suprised how many people are poor at this). Quote In the next few months, I will be getting my own (Probably sub hundred) canopy for this. Should I be preventing my team mates from loosing weight so I can practice? Quote Again IMHO, i belive that your 4 way team + student work is seperate from what you want to achieve (serious swooping as you put it). Were you to think of using weights for swooping, you could find that the optimum level you decide to use is different from that required for your team jumps and students. As your team-mates i wouldnt be happy to be made to change our already working set-up for one person. In this case it probably needs to be stressed that if you are going to be serious about swooping.....dedicate jumps solely for that purpose. Pull high and figure out your canopy and its behaviour etc while you are in your full swoop configuration. You learn more that way.

Quote Fair enough. But putting your nickname as SwoopMeister makes it seem as if you do think you're tastier than Marmite. Quote Some people get vexed over canopy types listed Some people get vexed over jump numbers listed I have never heard of someone being taken to task over the nick-name on their profiles. Just to make you happy..i have changed it from Swoopmeister to Mary Poppins..now dont go around saying that it implies i think im now a sexy swooper.

yeah ok..that recovery arc

You are quite right there man. I totally respect what you have just said. Good looking out. 1.8 wing loading at 200 jumps is high yes. No denying it nor saying that im God's gift to anything.

hey you said it. I just axed why. if you have something to say..say it. If not then dont. Most people on this forum are adults. Marks has already told me what he feels about the whole thing...and i said point taken. Your comment was tired..and served no purpose to anyone..including yourself. You might get a message across to an audience better if you learn to channel your thoughts to represent a sound thinking process and subsequently communicate appropriately. now back to topic.

True what you say because..a swoop is a swoop..a good swoop is a good swoop...a bad turn is a bad turn. Both of these apply to any canopy. That being said...you have made me think..has anyone out there actually done a reverse transition..ie from a modern canopy to "older type" like a stilletto? Im really looking at this from a dive recovery arch perspective. Im thinking this in response to *** and like i said before, there is nothing wrong with the way a stilletto swoops, it is the transition to a more modern canopy that can get you... *** I think a "reverse" transition can also get you...hard. As long as you are out of dial with your canopy in respect to your previous one..you are at a higher risk IMHO

Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If this is a serious "stand-alone" comment then i cant agree. I think what he's trying to say is that a short recovery arc canopy can be swooped far and well. I agree with him. Quote I dont disagree with that..but do any of you use a short recovery arch canopy for your serious swooping?

Quote Dude it's your listed jump numbers and your wing loading. Quote you mean i listed a rant, rave or ego in there? How come i cant find it?

OK cool, point taken. I haven't been giving advice though, just giving my oppinion, also haven't been replying to anybody that that doesn't know what they are doing.. Keep it real.. M.J

Why are you having a go at me saying I have a big ego? I haven't been ranting or anything. Peace

*** this "short recovery" and crap like that mean nothing to the way that canopy swoops. *** If this is a serious "stand-alone" comment then i cant agree. Talk swooping... the longer the recovery arch, the greater the potential airspeed...and i dont think i need to discuss how valuable or not airspeed is to swooping. The rest of what you say, i agree with. Recovery archs are also affected by wing loading. The heavier the weight under the wing, the longer it will strive to stay in the dive..or just downsize and you get longer dives...im sure "Airpollution" has noticed the 135 will dive longer than the 150.

Quote so, ive got family in the uk, plus some skymiles from delta to spend..... will you pick me up at the airport and show me around the local uk dz's... i would like to know you before your in the incident forum..... just so i can make sure the TRUTH! is told.. and no.... dude, i'm serious! Quote Im sure you are. The answer is no.

Go to the Gym and do some upper body work

1.8 on a 119 crossfire2

Im not contradicting myself. The way you put the take on it makes it a lose lose situation. Just my personal preference not to "have" to initiate a turn too close to the ground due to a short recovery arch. I think you agreed with that. Both short and long recovery arch canopies will forgive you if your input wasnt suicidal and you have the right knowledge, skill and temperment to deal with it...just that short recovery arch canopies mean you had less time for corrections and fine tuning the dive..and in the worst case scenario...less time to bail out. Thats definitely safety connected.

After this weekend they have increased by a few more .... but consider it unlikely to be materially mistated. Stilettos definitely has a shorter recover arch that makes it more unsuitable for swooping. I like to start my hooks up high not at tree top level. Springos also have a short recovery arch and i felt i was safer off swooping something a bit more forgiving. ps - why do men have nipples?

I had a crossfire2 swoops like a dream, nothing beats a VX though.. J