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  1. mrshutter45

    "I personally think the person who did this is on the periphery of the SOG/CIA project, but not necessarily one of the JM's or actual test jumpers.

    This Sheridan cat, or one like him, seems a better suspect.
    Again, in my opinion."

    Interesting, let me ask your opinion about something. what kind of person/jumper would feel confident enough to jump the way Cooper did. I'm talking about what he was wearing. it seems obvious he's not a southern boy like myself. it's 55 degree's right now and that's heater time/jacket all around wuss time for me. I've adapted to the climate. when I lived in Ohio I would laugh at those temps. he had to have known it was going to be a rough ride down dressed the way he was.

    do you feel he was experienced enough to laugh at us jumping that way because he knew he could do it dressed that way? why November and not another Holiday that has better weather and could still catch them off guard?



    Some one trained in freefall jumps, stationed in, or from the region (and currently back in it, to acclimate like you mentioned). I think there is a good chance there might be a few layers under the suit, so the weather might not have been as tough on him. Some one with a knowledge of survival skills, and a healthy respect for the environment. One with a plan and a few plan B's as well.

    Not some one who "wings it" and hopes luck will win out.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  2. mrshutter45

    ***Typically, Dummy chutes, actually a dummy container, do not have a parachute in them. The chute is to valuable a tool to be kept from use, either as a functioning canopy, or as a trainer, for things like packing, landing recovery, or water training, etc.

    When a container is used in this manner (as a dummy), and sewn shut, it is usually filled with discards, old ponchos, blankets, pillows, clothes, what ever gives it the right bulk.

    Since these are also former Military Items, rigged by some one with the same experiences, I would theorize there wasn't a parachute canopy in the dummy rig. Of course the owner of the dummy rig is the only one that can confirm this apparently.

    Matt




    May 29, 2008 Larry Carr posted this:

    The agent who originally interviewed Cossey mistakenly reported it was sewn shut. it was not sewn shut, the canopy was cut in half and the panels then sewn together. This was done so that when students practiced deploying the emergency canopy they could easily gather it and quickly stuff it back in the container for another practice throw.

    Anyone with any amount of experience would have know the x's on the container meant, "you might not want to use this one when jumping out of a plane." Also, when he picked it up it would have been very obvious, if you have any amount of experience, (by that I mean how tight containers are packed) that something was wrong because it would have been "squishy" (not my word but from someone who would know what the belly reserve would have felt like). If he deployed it, it would have been like one of those guns you pull the trigger and a flag comes out of the barrel that says, "bang."

    Yep, used as an emergency procedures (EP's) trainer it would have felt "squishy" as there is less material in the dummy to facilitate quicker re-packing. A lot of things besides the equipment came from the military and transferred over to the civilian world, the "X" marking and/or the color red denotes "danger: do not use" in pretty much ALL military training.

    So, it looks like we are back to some one having some sort of training, a "formalized" type of training, not some osmosis or fantasy type.

    The freefall rigs, "back rigs" of the type used, IIRC, weren't used by any military static line parachutists, or smoke jumpers in 40's, 50's, or 60's. Pilots, SERE-I's, SOF or CIA types, yes. An exception might be the Paratrooper's JM's or Safeties, but other than a cursory "here is the handles" briefing, they typically didn't get any true training on those types of rigs.

    So, IMO, a jumper not in the proper military categories would HAVE to be trained by a skydiver versed in and using the surplus equipment.

    If a suspect doesn't fall into one of those categories, IMO, they aren't a suspect, this is an era before youtube after all.

    Until KC and DW can be placed in those training scenarios (being trained, not spectating or running errands), they aren't viable suspects. They would then have to be placed on the plane, and actually match a suspect description. So far, 0 for 3, on both.

    I personally think the person who did this is on the periphery of the SOG/CIA project, but not necessarily one of the JM's or actual test jumpers.

    This Sheridan cat, or one like him, seems a better suspect.
    Again, in my opinion.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  3. Typically, Dummy chutes, actually a dummy container, do not have a parachute in them. The chute is to valuable a tool to be kept from use, either as a functioning canopy, or as a trainer, for things like packing, landing recovery, or water training, etc.

    When a container is used in this manner (as a dummy), and sewn shut, it is usually filled with discards, old ponchos, blankets, pillows, clothes, what ever gives it the right bulk.

    Since these are also former Military Items, rigged by some one with the same experiences, I would theorize there wasn't a parachute canopy in the dummy rig. Of course the owner of the dummy rig is the only one that can confirm this apparently.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  4. It could have ended up there just like the AF says, one of the many lost after cargo drops over the many years in that area.

    The load could have been recovered, the chute left at the drop zone and later blows away, gets buried by snow, mud, what ever over the years. We some times lost T-10's and the occasional cargo chute on training jumps, it happens.

    It was 34', and the wrong material, so not much point in rehashing it anymore. The riggers logs show the two back chutes not to be 34'. Size does matter in this case.

    Matt

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  5. skyjack71

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    How Many PM's have I ever sent you - now be very careful - I save them all[:/]




    Jo' PS or Corrections to post I SUPPOSEDLY made - MatthewCline inserted something into my post I did NOT say! I have removed it as I would NOT want anyone to think I said that!

    Nice conspiracy, but I made my comments in bold if they happened to be in a post you made, that I quoted your entire posts. I don't expect your apology, but would accept it.

    Matt

    GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE POST I HAD TO REMOVE "YOUR STATEMENT" FROM! NO APOLOGY AT ALL - I KNOW WHAT YOU DID! IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE I CORRECTED!

    What one? The one you wrote? the one I quoted? the one you edited to remove the quote? I'll standby

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  6. " "The F-106 drivers never saw him,'' Rataczak said. "It was blacker than the ace of spades out there. They just saw a flash of light from us and then he just vanished..." (my underline) "

    Is there a debrief of those F-106 drivers available?

    This quote alone, an expert, discussing experts, refutes the "seen from the ground" stories, aside from real world experiences of course.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  7. skyjack71

    ***

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    How Many PM's have I ever sent you - now be very careful - I save them all[:/]




    Jo' PS or Corrections to post I SUPPOSEDLY made - MatthewCline inserted something into my post I did NOT say! I have removed it as I would NOT want anyone to think I said that!

    Nice conspiracy, but I made my comments in bold if they happened to be in a post you made, that I quoted your entire posts. I don't expect your apology, but would accept it.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  8. skyjack71


    How Many PM's have I ever sent you - now be very careful - I save them all!One is too many, but you have sent me some that covered each point I made. Go ahead and show every one, since You saved them all. They will enjoy the comedy.[:/]

    YOU are only doing this to inflame me and I am very aware of that. YOU were NOT on this THREAD when it started and if you were YOU used another name!

    Not trying to inflame you at all, but apparently that is easy to do, reread my statement. Because, I was here, before you even REGISTERED.:S

    Now let's get back to "Cooper", we still don't have a viable suspect.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  9. skyjack71

    ***]

    So, back to Dan Cooper, and as Duane has been eliminated, let's find an actual suspect that fits. OK?

    Matt



    THAT part of your POST sums U up!
    YOU could care less about solving the case - yours is a search to find a suspect YOU think might be Cooper!

    You have neither the means nor the investigative skills to GO out and FIND a SUSPECT! HOPE U are REAL PROUD of the statement you made above - remember it is narrow minds and posters like yourself that keep the thread from progressing. WHAT have YOU in the time YOU have been on THIS thread been able to produce that was PRODUCTIVE in that goal?

    NOTHING - so the only things you say - mimic others and demean others.

    WHAT productive information have YOU offered to the thread? If you have productive information and investigations- post it! Other WISE STOP demeaning those who have put their hearts and souls and time for many yrs into this You are just someone passing thru who has nothing to offer other than trite and demeaning remarks attacking other posters who struggle to present their subject the best they can.

    YOUR claims of outing others is UNCALLED for. When you come to my home as others have done and look at & read the early letters and notes in pages of planners then you can make the kind of postings you made - claiming the old woman took information from another source.

    When YOU realize the old woman you attack - actually did the things she said and actually told the things she said - she did all of it in real time and without having read them somewhere, but having real knowledge of said things.

    COME & READ my notes and my letters and my notes from phone conversations and know NOTHING was contrived or taken from the story of others. Many times I explored what OTHERS claimed, but did my own investigated into the subject or story and often took a few steps into their territory - BUT, my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE was always there waiting for my retreat BACK to that which I did know!

    I know I wrote down in my planner when that book arrived - it was sent to me - BECAUSE the stories I was tellling appeared similar to the stories I told about Weber. It was Mr. H who asked me if I had ever read it. It would be several months later before I was sent a COPY of it.....I saw the similarities, but not the same....that is when I started to investigate the BOOK - I had to know who wrote the book!

    I felt who ever wrote that BOOK knew Duane or had some kind of access. I have already stated the things I read and if I was aware f them before or after I read the book.

    My research NEVER led me to the writer/author! I wanted to know who did the charicatures - never found out. I still want to meet the person who wrote the book - but that person is probably deceased.
    MOST of the BOOK was FICTION, but there was sprinkling of things - things that I knew about Duane Weber - things that made me reason - if he wasn't Cooper he knew who wrote that book.

    I remembered a woman who was at the shop - she was stout and wore a business suit and her hair was dyed dark. She knew Duane from the past. This was NO ordinary woman - she was polished.
    I was on my way to an appt and didn't even have time to do more than say hello & how do you do, nice meeting you and I got to go.

    She was introduce as Fucks - HOW can I ever forget that name!

    Duane worked for a man by the name of Fucks.

    Duane dated a woman by the name of Fucks.

    So - is it just coincidence or did it mean something.

    NOW I didn't make any of that UP. < Seriously?:|

    My investigative skills have helped to clear a dozen cases involving drugs, murder, theft, fraud, and domestic assaults. All in the last few months (4).

    I think you're mistaken on a few definitions on words you keep using.

    Actually, I do believe, IIRC, the FBI eliminated Duane Weber as a Suspect (and K.C., as well as Sherridan, to be fair). So, I didn't place myself in any position of Jury or Judge.

    I have read both the "Cooper" threads entirely, and we see no new evidence for ANY of the suspects. I've been on this sight longer than you, have actually jumped from the type of A/C, with similar equipment, and met many of the heroes who preceded me in the field of Military Parachuting and Skydiving. All point to the same conclusion, as the FBI, the suspect isn't, here.

    The FBI says the case is still open, not solved, and there is no new evidence, or theories, to re-examine any of the previously eliminated suspects.

    You're probably one of the biggest distractions to this case being solved. At least by the amateur sleuths. If any one is being a bully or hard headed, I would say the legal definitions fit you far better.

    If you just want to know about Daune Weber, before you knew him, that is fine, I don't fully understand why, but you have your reasons I'm sure, and that is just fine. But, this group of people, and this forum, aren't the place for that. Your family, and your close friends, that would be the better fit for that.

    I did notice you didn't address any actual qualifications or acknowledge that I answered ALL your questions. Just attacked me, because I do not support your theory. Goes along the lines of what Robert points out, attack the messenger and not the message.

    Now, since I am so hated by you, maybe you'll stop with the PM's? If there is anything factual and relevant to the case you wish to discuss, do it here, in the open. No more "secrets", no more "set ups", and no more "stories for bait".

    You have shown that you actually have far more net access than you want us to know. Use that, and find the answers you seek. You don't need to try and demand we do your research, or bidding.

    Good luck.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  10. skyjack71

    ************Jo,

    The info that you say came

    Quote

    Source Unknown - sent to me by a very old aeronautical engineer - I cannot say who he worked for.

    is straight word for word in Wikipedia.

    ***en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
    The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, ... During World War II and through the 1950s, high-frequency ("short-wave") radio was widely used for military and diplomatic communication, and could be ...



    377

    Another confirmation on a theory.[:/]

    Matt

    Matt you have confirmed ZERO.
    I explained it was sent to me by someone else and received after the thread took a positive direction. No need to cause interference with your repeated pattern that is ONLY for the purpose of discrediting anything I say.

    I have stayed out of the conversation, but it is things like your post above that inflames me....and causes me to make a rebuttal to defend myself.

    I think everyone on here would appreciate you NOT make any remarks to inflame me and cause me to have to make a post like this one.

    I have confirmed much, and many agree with me.
    I hope your health is better.
    I truly think you're on a wild goose chase.
    I also think your medical issues, and their treatments, are causing you to act irrational, and to an outsider it would give the impression of dementia or other mental illness.

    I truly hope 2014 is better for you. I think you could aid that by focusing on health instead of a fiction.

    Matt


    :(
    YOU are probably RUDE to your own mother. YOU have NOT heard nor read the things I wrote in 1996 and told before I ever came to this thread - if you did young man you will eat YOUR words.

    :PDo NOT demean me NOT until you see and read my notes and letters and communications from 1996 until 2003+

    [:/]YOU set yourself up as JUDGE and JUROR and you do NOT know me!

    :oYOU have not seen the prior research - where things were discussed in the past. I did not know what they meant, but NONE of it was as YOU have SO RUDELY & DISPECTFULLY inferred.:P

    :SI only take a sleeping pill and do NOT take the pain pills (rarely).

    [:/]My mental status is NOT dementia or mental illness - quiet the contrary! THAT statement WAS totally UNCALLED FOR.

    :)
    I would not WISH up on YOUR mother what was thrust upon me in 1996 when I found out who DAN COOPER WAS. If Weber was NOT Cooper he DAMN well knew who WAS!

    :D:DWild Goose Chase!

    Perhaps you might like to discuss with me the 2 phone calls I got today. Individuals who know me and have met me and have explored the things I have - assurances that they do INDEED remember our discussion of the past...the things I told them PRE 2000!


    THIS BRING TO MIND THESE QUESTIONS:

    WHO ARE YOU? Answered in my Profile, I'm not pretending to be any one else.

    HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THIS SUBJECT? I work various shifts, and carry a smart phone, as well as a wifi capable lap top, so during breaks and time off, I can read, converse, etc modern tech is awesome that way! I can even use "spell" and "grammar" checks!

    WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? Retired from the U.S.Army, MASTER PARACHUTIST ( among many other certified areas), Skydiving Instructor Examiner, A/SEO and Sworn LEO, and hold on know, an SME for a large production Company in TN, maybe the largest!.

    WHO PAYS YOUR BILLS?I do, and yours?

    WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON THIS THREAD? I have an interest in unsolved crimes, kind of falls in line with a few of my areas of expertise and my experience in life.

    DO YOU NOT HAVE A WIFE AND CHILDREN? Yep.

    WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST IN THIS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY TO WORK ON THIS? I don't take away from them, I am very well balanced in my time management.

    WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECTS SPOKEN ABOUT? With some subjects better than a few who keep speaking "factually". I also served as a liaison for a few organizations mentioned in this thread at the Annual Airborne Week at Ft Benning and All American Week at Ft Bragg. I've even jumped with a few folks from those same Orgs.

    WHY WOULD YOU DEMEAN A WOMAN YOU HAVE NEVER MET?Have I demeaned you? Actually, demeaned you? If so I do apologize. BUt like BK, a GC etc, all should be held accountable for their postings, no slack given to you or them, as you all give none

    HAVE YOU PERSONALLY SPOKE TO PEOPLE WHO KNEW DUANE? No, but he is dead. There is no ACTUAL EVIDENCE to suggest he is a viable suspect, so like the FBI, I would see no need to waste time researching him as a suspect. That is the context of this thread. Once he was eliminated, if some one wanted to know more about him, that is a different thread altogether, and not one fitting of this web page.

    DO YOU COME FROM A BROKEN HOME? Nope, fishing and insinuating now?

    DO YOU JUST LIKE T MESS WITH PEOPLE?To be honest, at times it can be fun. But, in this context I am not doing so.

    ARE YOU A CONTROL FREAK?No, I'm a team player, I do like see things work out though to their completion, no matter the trail they travel.

    HAVE YOU BEEN TO WA TO SEE THE ROUTE AND THE THINGS I SPEAK OF?Been there a few times, as there is no reason to research the "route", the answer would be "No".

    HAVE YOU SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY?No, to my knowledge, any reason I should?

    DO YOU KNOW MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY? See above.

    WHAT IS YOUR MOTIVE & PURPOSE REGARDING COOPER?Answered already


    What say you will NOT answer all of the question? Nor are you capable of understanding my generation! If this was an understandable sentence, maybe I could answer it.

    So, back to Dan Cooper, and as Duane has been eliminated, let's find an actual suspect that fits. OK?

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  11. skyjack71

    ******Jo,

    The info that you say came

    Quote

    Source Unknown - sent to me by a very old aeronautical engineer - I cannot say who he worked for.

    is straight word for word in Wikipedia.

    ***en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
    The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, ... During World War II and through the 1950s, high-frequency ("short-wave") radio was widely used for military and diplomatic communication, and could be ...



    377

    Another confirmation on a theory.[:/]

    Matt

    Matt you have confirmed ZERO.
    I explained it was sent to me by someone else and received after the thread took a positive direction. No need to cause interference with your repeated pattern that is ONLY for the purpose of discrediting anything I say.

    I have stayed out of the conversation, but it is things like your post above that inflames me....and causes me to make a rebuttal to defend myself.

    I think everyone on here would appreciate you NOT make any remarks to inflame me and cause me to have to make a post like this one.

    I have confirmed much, and many agree with me.
    I hope your health is better.
    I truly think you're on a wild goose chase.
    I also think your medical issues, and their treatments, are causing you to act irrational, and to an outsider it would give the impression of dementia or other mental illness.

    I truly hope 2014 is better for you. I think you could aid that by focusing on health instead of a fiction.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  12. RobertMBlevins

    *********

    On the other subject: 'Well south of Portland'. Okay, so what? I'm pretty sure by that time Cooper was long gone, since the airstairs indicator light only flashed the one time and then stayed on for good all the way to Reno. So after the point Cooper jumped, the only thing relevant about 305 was that it was an unscheduled flight.



    Blevins, You obviously didn't bother to read the post that I quoted and to which I was replying.

    Your "so what" above brings up the obvious question of why you even replied to my post in the first place? Or was it just another of your knee-jerk replies to keep up your pretense of being a "leading Cooper researcher"?

    Confidentiality Agreements to cover up your own demonstrated incompetence with the KC book? That's the best laugh I have had since lunch.

    How much of your forthcoming "Cooperland" masterpiece will you be stealing from DZ and the other posters on this thread? Just asking.

    Robert99


    he also uses the excuse of not trusting people. this has nothing to do with trusting people on this thread. it's a question asked by people who expect answers. it doesn't make sense.

    He uses the "source please" every time something comes into question, but ask him about something and it turns into a trust issue. the trust is not in the question asked by someone, it's in the answer! that's trust.

    Reality Hotel insert thingy B|

    This is a public forum. You may not believe it, but MOST people who ask me for this or that go through my email. They don't ask me to post everything up publicly just so THEY can read it here. The confidentiality agreement isn't official. If you are requesting something, then all I ask is for you to put your true name and contact info into the main body of the message and then say you won't post any part of our email communications publicly on the internet.

    Then...if you do...I just put your email address on the spam list and leave it at that...and then post up your promise online that came with your email request to show publicly you are a liar. Which would also have your contact info. I would not do this at Dropzone, of course, (it's against the rules) but elsewhere. That is MORE than fair. It also keeps people honest.

    Sent to Mitchell: Four pictures and a cover letter. The cover discusses the DB Cooper page at AB and where he can look at the KC report. The fix on the house price is a minor thing and I will get around to it as soon as Webs.com fixes our little access problem. In the cover letter I did not tell Mitchell that KC paid cash-in-full for the house. Mainly it was a request to examine pictures anyway. Pictures have captions and notes on the back.

    Stick to the topic then. As you say, per the forum rules you know.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  13. 377

    Jo,

    The info that you say came

    Quote

    Source Unknown - sent to me by a very old aeronautical engineer - I cannot say who he worked for.

    is straight word for word in Wikipedia.

    ***en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
    The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, ... During World War II and through the 1950s, high-frequency ("short-wave") radio was widely used for military and diplomatic communication, and could be ...



    377

    Another confirmation on a theory.[:/]

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  14. skyjack71

    What about that site did you want me to see.

    What I found interestion was the obits. DO ANY OF YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE LOOKED FOR THIS MAN?

    SINCE DAY ONE! HIS NAME WAS WRITTEN ON THE SAN MARIO CARD THAT WAS IN THE WALLET WITH THE FALSE IDENTIFICATION. IF I DON'T HAVE IT SCANNED I WILL SCAN IT AND POST IT. THE CARD HAD A NAME ON IT - AND GUESS WHAT IT WAS.

    SAN MARINO SANITARIUM WAS IN CA AND I HAVE SEARCHED HIGH AND LOW FOR THIS MAN. I ALWAY FIND THEM TOO LATE. ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE OTHERS IT WAS JUST NAMES DUANE MENTIONED - THIS ONE HIS NAME WAS IN THE WALLET....I THOUGHT IT WAS A NURSE BY THE NAME OF EDWARDS -


    MORE SURPRISES - THAT WAS NOT THE ONLY OLD FRIEND I FOUND. I FOUND 2 MORE - ONE I AM CERTAIN OF AND THE OTHER ONE - IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACKGROUND ON - JUST THAT HE WAS THE FATHER OF ONE OF DUANE'S YOUNG FRIENDS AND HE WAS A JUMPER.

    Obituaries

    Edward Nurse ( Missoula 1948 )
    posted: Mar 10, 2003
    Ed died March 3, 2003 in Helena, Mont.

    From 1943-1945, Ed was a packer for the U.S. Forest Service in Missoula and in 1948 and 1949 he was a Missoula smokejumper.
    He enlisted in the U.S. Navy and served as electricians mate for 22 months. Ed worked as an instrument man for the county surveyor in Missoula in 1950-1951 and as student lab assistant at Montana State University-Bozeman in 1952-1953.

    He married Marian Louise Sampson in 1951. Ed graduated from Montana State University with a civil engineering degree and after MSU attended the University of California and received a "fast track" masters in engineering.

    He opened Foundation and Material Consultant Engineering located in Helena, an active business for 40 years.



    Thank you for confirming my theory.
    [:/]

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  15. skyjack71

    I have tried to explain this to these guys before and with forest fires - you do NOT want to be separated from your equipment. Paperlegs Petersen was one of the first and best to teach these guy how to go in and manuver away from the fires and down drafts and release the equipment just before hitting ground.

    Picture attached - the one DUANE WEBER left in a safe deposit box I KNEW nothing about!

    Paperlegs was using this method before 1962 when he was in the N.W. with firejumping. Then he was recruited to head up Intermountain Communications out of CO, AZ, WA, OR and NV - the training was done in many places and with different climates. The training head quarters was Canon, Leadville and a place north of Ft. Collins (I forget the name of it right now). Intermountain communications was shut down in 1973.



    You're mixing to different types of parachuting up.

    Oddly, Jo some of the posts and memories, appear to be word for word lines from this web page.

    http://smokejumpers.com/index.php

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  16. In WWII most individual equipment was not lowered on a "Lowering Line", heavier and bulky items did get lowered.

    So a Pistol, or Carbine, and their ammo, water grenades, small packs, etc, stayed with them. Mortars, crew served Machine guns, large packs, etc, got lowered on a rope device called the "lowering line".

    Not every one rigged their gear for lowering then, as they do ow, but every one did get taught how to do it, in case the next jump you had the heavy stuff. But there would be plenty of experienced Paratroopers around to help you.

    Paratroopers then, and still today, jump into a fight prepared to operate for no less than 48 hours without relief or re-supply. So yes, an individual may need assistance to get in the old Gooney Birds.

    All Paratroopers are taught to put gear on "tight", then, after we graduate Airborne School we all think we have a better idea and put it on a little looser, then we try that, see it doesn't work as well, and go back to doing it the right way, usually within a jump or two.

    If Cooper was a Paratrooper (experienced) and not just qualified (not experienced, just a school house graduate), he would go with that experience, and the money bag would have been on as snug as he could bear, and as it is a small bundle, coupled the terrain he was jumping into, most likely not rigged to be lowered.

    I'm not advocating anyone's suspect, but I think this would actually eliminate a few of the more common ones tossed out in this thread.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  17. hangdiver


    Quote

    Who says Cooper actually tied it closely to his body? If he was an ex-paratrooper, (not Kenny necessarily, but ANY paratrooper) he may have left some slack in the line. Then he jumps and lets it go just as he pulls the ripcord. The result might have been as pictured in the attachment. Roughly that is. Remember: Mucklow said one of the last things she saw was Cooper tying a line around his waist.



    I don't think that's how it's done...LMAO

    yep, Cooper died all right...

    that scenario would probably make the harness fail and kill or severely injure the jumper...

    hangdiver



    Yes, Robert has the scenario bassackwards on how it is actually taught, and how the experienced, and not so experienced, actually do equipment jumps.

    "Tight ,is right"

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  18. Robert99

    ***

    I have a B.A. in Criminology from a major university, and I work in the investigations field, although I'll be clear that I am not a LEO, and just to put Jo at ease I'm going to come out and say I am also not a scum bag PI either (or a non scum bag PI for that matter).



    FOR JO WEBER'S BENEFIT:

    The quotation above is paragraph 3, post #50020, page 2001.

    Robert99

    See, Jo?

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  19. Jo, he did NOT claim he worked in law enforcement, he actually said he did NOT.

    And yes, if one sees the trick to reading this thread, it can be read, and a basic understanding can be grasped in 2~ days.

    I say let him stay, not that I, or you, have a say in it.

    He may want to re-read a few of the forum rules though, or he could be reminded of them by a Grennie as I have from time to time.:)

    He thus far, IMO, has been spot on. Actual experts get ignored here, and some very well trained and highly educated folks as well, all by some who want their pet suspect to be "the one".

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  20. GreyCopGC148

    ************************
    ONLY MY OPINION
    Since Cooper aka K C did not plan on taking the bomb with him and only took it after a request by Miss Mucklow I believe and is only my opinion that he let go of it on purpose before he deployed his chute I keep facts and my opinion separate
    But on this one I will give my OPINION



    Since you're keeping them separate, is the following fact or opinion?:

    "and only took it after a request by Miss Mucklow"

    It was told to me by LARRY CARR HIM SELF
    GC148

    And if you say it is fact, what is your source for this?

    This was on the beach Frenchman's bar not Tina Bar that LARRY CARR TOLD ME THAT GC 148 THE GRAY COP PAUL GEIVETT

    BY BLEV
    PS matt your a little man like Bruce Smith and Mark Bennett.
    no ? needed............................,...................,..............

    Yep, you are like BK.

    Sad, but at least we know you're not a "Cop", a fraud, but not a "Cop".

    Matt

    The GREY CUP GAME
    The GRAY COP GAME
    YOUR A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME BUT YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH IT YOU WANT Maybe next year matt maybe next year I ENJOYED THE GRAY COP GAME PAUL GEIVETT THE GRAY COP Sorry SIR but you got here after the Aerial party I took the GLOVES OFF AFTER THAT so if you want to be a dumb ass I will point it out every time So stop being a jerk I can do this all day long
    I wrote jokes for Late night That is why Leno got fired

    Actually, you're the one late here. But, why quibble about facts.

    See, you could fix your mistake i.e. cup/cop, but then that wouldn't help you pass your farce off.

    Right or wrong, those who actually HAVE proof and stand by their convictions, HAVE gone to the press, printed their books, made their TV shows etc. They didn't act cowardly.

    You're a professional writer?:o

    Riiiight.:S

    Matt

    No not even an author and I did put a book out

    Bruce smith said I would not show him my evidence
    thats a lie I was willing to meet him

    Then he said he wanted to go to the place were the money was really found
    I said ok no problem
    then he chickend out

    So what am I hiding what question do you have that I will not answer

    this is why you hide and don't call why do you thing it's not KC list 1

    PS my phone is not with me so don't call now
    thats why you can't put your phone number you would get pranks all my calls are monitored by the FBI and are recorded and traced but if you have nothing to hide than you should feel safe to call but if not thats ok there watching THE GRAY COP

    PS so who owned the property before PDX was built
    smarty pants matt should tell us all But sadly he can't or dial a phone number. baaa baaa PEACHES THE GOAT PRODUCTIONs


    PSSS matt his pants are square because he is a sponge
    and a kitchen sink sponge is square gettt itttt
    Just like Cash Carl square pants he is a bundle of money you know square on the bottom I enjoy the Gray Cop Game so much

    BK, is that you?

    Nah, You're more pathetic than BK, but still a liar. You just proved that, many times.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  21. Robert99

    ***
    AND don't bring your checker bored to play chess with me.
    or that chines checker bored or you will lose your marbles like Mark Bennett and you will never platy that 3 level chessboard like star trek only 99 CAN PLAY THAT GAME I CAN NOT BUT I THINK HE CAN

    and 99 do you think matt gets 113 when he adds the year he was born and how old he is. LETS SEE
    Who is hiding my numbers out there for the world my book is out there for the world



    Paul, Do you remember what started the above?

    Robert99

    He dipped into some of BK's MK Ultra?

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  22. GreyCopGC148

    ******************
    ONLY MY OPINION
    Since Cooper aka K C did not plan on taking the bomb with him and only took it after a request by Miss Mucklow I believe and is only my opinion that he let go of it on purpose before he deployed his chute I keep facts and my opinion separate
    But on this one I will give my OPINION



    Since you're keeping them separate, is the following fact or opinion?:

    "and only took it after a request by Miss Mucklow"

    It was told to me by LARRY CARR HIM SELF
    GC148

    And if you say it is fact, what is your source for this?

    This was on the beach Frenchman's bar not Tina Bar that LARRY CARR TOLD ME THAT GC 148 THE GRAY COP PAUL GEIVETT

    BY BLEV
    PS matt your a little man like Bruce Smith and Mark Bennett.
    no ? needed............................,...................,..............

    Yep, you are like BK.

    Sad, but at least we know you're not a "Cop", a fraud, but not a "Cop".

    Matt

    The GREY CUP GAME
    The GRAY COP GAME
    YOUR A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME BUT YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH IT YOU WANT Maybe next year matt maybe next year I ENJOYED THE GRAY COP GAME PAUL GEIVETT THE GRAY COP Sorry SIR but you got here after the Aerial party I took the GLOVES OFF AFTER THAT so if you want to be a dumb ass I will point it out every time So stop being a jerk I can do this all day long
    I wrote jokes for Late night That is why Leno got fired

    Actually, you're the one late here. But, why quibble about facts.

    See, you could fix your mistake i.e. cup/cop, but then that wouldn't help you pass your farce off.

    Right or wrong, those who actually HAVE proof and stand by their convictions, HAVE gone to the press, printed their books, made their TV shows etc. They didn't act cowardly.

    You're a professional writer?:o

    Riiiight.:S

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  23. GreyCopGC148

    ************
    ONLY MY OPINION
    Since Cooper aka K C did not plan on taking the bomb with him and only took it after a request by Miss Mucklow I believe and is only my opinion that he let go of it on purpose before he deployed his chute I keep facts and my opinion separate
    But on this one I will give my OPINION



    Since you're keeping them separate, is the following fact or opinion?:

    "and only took it after a request by Miss Mucklow"

    It was told to me by LARRY CARR HIM SELF
    GC148

    And if you say it is fact, what is your source for this?

    This was on the beach Frenchman's bar not Tina Bar that LARRY CARR TOLD ME THAT GC 148 THE GRAY COP PAUL GEIVETT

    BY BLEV
    PS matt your a little man like Bruce Smith and Mark Bennett.
    no ? needed............................,...................,..............

    Yep, you are like BK.

    Sad, but at least we know you're not a "Cop", a fraud, but not a "Cop".

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  24. RobertMBlevins

    ***I'm no coward sir, that title is yours alone.

    But, if I'm to be on a list, Mark and Bruce are two cool guys to share a space with.

    Answer the questions here, and in the Press, publicly.
    Only a self promoting individual, for financial and personal gain, would "hide" as you do.

    You're the "Blevins Bob Knoss".

    Matt



    Excuse me, but would you mind not associating me with Bob Knoss? Thank you.

    My life is well-known, Cooper isn't the only thing I have going, and I do have some standards. One of those standards is to question points on the case with reasonable arguments.

    I think you missed it.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!

  25. I truly hope your family and health issues resolve for the best.

    Now, to Cooper, when did you actually place DW "IN" a chute, not just near someone who used one? All I can find is your claims, no proof. Kind of like the claim KC had knowledge of the chute used because he was trained as a paratrooper, even though Paratroopers in KC's day, didn't use the styles of chutes asked for.

    Matt
    An Instructors first concern is student safety.
    So, start being safe, first!!!