matthewcline

I have the honor of being a former team mate of one of these jumpers.

The whole team is a class act and highly skilled.

Demo jumps into stadiums always had my heart rate up, but damn are they fun!

Matt

Amazon

***Well, damn!

So much for getting on Paul's "Cowards List" now. I really wanted to make it on to that list.

He had not come right out and said it ... but I was just this { } close... a skosh more an I would have made it.

The list is short. But those on it are of a rare breed!

Matt

Boogers

*** please put on your leathers when you ride.

I'm not touching that line.

At least not till she gives you permission to do so!

Sweet R6 Nat! Keep the rubber side down!

Matt

airtwardo

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I think he has a responsibility to society and all taxpayers to communicate on a case that he is intimately familiar with. After all, we paid him - and continue to pay him in a pension - to deliver a measure of justice. I don't think he is keeping his end of the bargain.

Really Bruce?

I was trying to give ya the benefit of doubt regarding the issue of your ethics in journalism...but I think you're way off base if that's how you really feel.

A civil servant has just as much right to privacy as any 'normal' citizen...a RETIRED one so much the more.

Brings to mind the discussions about Neal Armstrong - Journalists always pined that 'we taxpayers' spent a pretty shiny dime sending him to the moon, he OWES us and the American people interviews, access, autographs...on & on.

Well...NO he did NOT. He was simply a man hired o do a job, nowhere in the job description did it say anything about 'owing reporters' access to his life ~ ESPECIALLY during retirement.


Your thinking on this is rather convoluted, and what's REALLY scary is you don't seem to know it.

The pen is a pretty mighty tool. Thing is, like any tool it can be used to build or tear down.

When you attempt to use it for retribution against someone merely wishing to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights...that's crossing a line of both ethics & decency.

Your comment surprises me, and not in a good way. I urge you to reconsider that line of thinking.

I wish to echo this.

Matt

skyjack71

Geprger stated:

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Maybe Jo 'perceived a weak spot in the DB Cooper case and
then took advantage to deliver a cheap shot, to advertise her
newly formed HOMES4UBYJO Realty business.? This lady who
says she has no internet saavy, then goes public, on the
internet! selling houses?! And a Cooper story about Duane ?
Launched together. Like peas in a pod. Instant stardom.

Georger that is a cheap SHOT!
Perhaps your memory needs a little tweeking:

1. I retired from real estate in 2004.

2. I kept the my [email protected] because I hold an inactive license and will activate it to sell my own home. Due to my abilities to sell - I cannot NOT pay someone a 7% commission to sell my house.
NO realtor is worth 7% & I have
willing independent brokers who
would allow me to do this. I keep my continueing education credits current just for this purpose. In exchange I will offer any listing I might obtain to a co-worker.

3. Because my email address was a first of its kind and byjo is an
ex-pression - I chose to keep it
until the day I no longer own a home or have a need to sell my home.

4. Therefore I am not quilty of what you are saying. Strickly an email address and not a promotion of any kind.

5. I worked for the chains and do
NOT hold a brokers license.

ME THINKS you need to make postings about things you know something about - it is evident you know nothing about me or about real estate laws.

NOW - Georger repeat after me
"I Georger will stay on topic and not speak of things I have no knowledge of ".

That last line, good idea all around.

Matt

skyjack71

***I have to disagree Jo. you have said numerous times if he wasn't Cooper, he was the guy on the ground. doesn't sound like an idea that popped up....

Nothing POPPED! I was what he said himself when he realized what he had just said to me. "That's were Cooper walked out of the Woods" I said "How would you know that" He said "Maybe I was the man on the Ground".

That is where that story came from and it is NOT made up but given to the FBI in my first interview and stated multiple time to Mr. H.

You've contradicted yourself Jo.
Duane wasn't "Cooper", he was a petty thief and con man, his final con is still playing out.

Matt

http://www.caravan-ny.com/parachute_troop.html

So, it isn't a PEP (Pilot Ejection Parachute), and is more than likely, a cargo. A very high probability it is NOT Coopers chute.

Matt

Yep, 1950's was the "A" model, they ran all the way up to "D" model and now the T-11 is being fielded.

So, can we all stop talking about a cargo chute found in Amboy?

Matt

mrshutter45

"I personally think the person who did this is on the periphery of the SOG/CIA project, but not necessarily one of the JM's or actual test jumpers.

This Sheridan cat, or one like him, seems a better suspect.
Again, in my opinion."

Interesting, let me ask your opinion about something. what kind of person/jumper would feel confident enough to jump the way Cooper did. I'm talking about what he was wearing. it seems obvious he's not a southern boy like myself. it's 55 degree's right now and that's heater time/jacket all around wuss time for me. I've adapted to the climate. when I lived in Ohio I would laugh at those temps. he had to have known it was going to be a rough ride down dressed the way he was.

do you feel he was experienced enough to laugh at us jumping that way because he knew he could do it dressed that way? why November and not another Holiday that has better weather and could still catch them off guard?

Some one trained in freefall jumps, stationed in, or from the region (and currently back in it, to acclimate like you mentioned). I think there is a good chance there might be a few layers under the suit, so the weather might not have been as tough on him. Some one with a knowledge of survival skills, and a healthy respect for the environment. One with a plan and a few plan B's as well.

Not some one who "wings it" and hopes luck will win out.

Matt

mrshutter45

***Typically, Dummy chutes, actually a dummy container, do not have a parachute in them. The chute is to valuable a tool to be kept from use, either as a functioning canopy, or as a trainer, for things like packing, landing recovery, or water training, etc.

When a container is used in this manner (as a dummy), and sewn shut, it is usually filled with discards, old ponchos, blankets, pillows, clothes, what ever gives it the right bulk.

Since these are also former Military Items, rigged by some one with the same experiences, I would theorize there wasn't a parachute canopy in the dummy rig. Of course the owner of the dummy rig is the only one that can confirm this apparently.

Matt

May 29, 2008 Larry Carr posted this:

The agent who originally interviewed Cossey mistakenly reported it was sewn shut. it was not sewn shut, the canopy was cut in half and the panels then sewn together. This was done so that when students practiced deploying the emergency canopy they could easily gather it and quickly stuff it back in the container for another practice throw.

Anyone with any amount of experience would have know the x's on the container meant, "you might not want to use this one when jumping out of a plane." Also, when he picked it up it would have been very obvious, if you have any amount of experience, (by that I mean how tight containers are packed) that something was wrong because it would have been "squishy" (not my word but from someone who would know what the belly reserve would have felt like). If he deployed it, it would have been like one of those guns you pull the trigger and a flag comes out of the barrel that says, "bang."

Yep, used as an emergency procedures (EP's) trainer it would have felt "squishy" as there is less material in the dummy to facilitate quicker re-packing. A lot of things besides the equipment came from the military and transferred over to the civilian world, the "X" marking and/or the color red denotes "danger: do not use" in pretty much ALL military training.

So, it looks like we are back to some one having some sort of training, a "formalized" type of training, not some osmosis or fantasy type.

The freefall rigs, "back rigs" of the type used, IIRC, weren't used by any military static line parachutists, or smoke jumpers in 40's, 50's, or 60's. Pilots, SERE-I's, SOF or CIA types, yes. An exception might be the Paratrooper's JM's or Safeties, but other than a cursory "here is the handles" briefing, they typically didn't get any true training on those types of rigs.

So, IMO, a jumper not in the proper military categories would HAVE to be trained by a skydiver versed in and using the surplus equipment.

If a suspect doesn't fall into one of those categories, IMO, they aren't a suspect, this is an era before youtube after all.

Until KC and DW can be placed in those training scenarios (being trained, not spectating or running errands), they aren't viable suspects. They would then have to be placed on the plane, and actually match a suspect description. So far, 0 for 3, on both.

I personally think the person who did this is on the periphery of the SOG/CIA project, but not necessarily one of the JM's or actual test jumpers.

This Sheridan cat, or one like him, seems a better suspect.
Again, in my opinion.

Matt

Typically, Dummy chutes, actually a dummy container, do not have a parachute in them. The chute is to valuable a tool to be kept from use, either as a functioning canopy, or as a trainer, for things like packing, landing recovery, or water training, etc.

When a container is used in this manner (as a dummy), and sewn shut, it is usually filled with discards, old ponchos, blankets, pillows, clothes, what ever gives it the right bulk.

Since these are also former Military Items, rigged by some one with the same experiences, I would theorize there wasn't a parachute canopy in the dummy rig. Of course the owner of the dummy rig is the only one that can confirm this apparently.

Matt

It could have ended up there just like the AF says, one of the many lost after cargo drops over the many years in that area.

The load could have been recovered, the chute left at the drop zone and later blows away, gets buried by snow, mud, what ever over the years. We some times lost T-10's and the occasional cargo chute on training jumps, it happens.

It was 34', and the wrong material, so not much point in rehashing it anymore. The riggers logs show the two back chutes not to be 34'. Size does matter in this case.

Matt

Matt

skyjack71

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How Many PM's have I ever sent you - now be very careful - I save them all

Jo' PS or Corrections to post I SUPPOSEDLY made - MatthewCline inserted something into my post I did NOT say! I have removed it as I would NOT want anyone to think I said that!

Nice conspiracy, but I made my comments in bold if they happened to be in a post you made, that I quoted your entire posts. I don't expect your apology, but would accept it.

Matt

GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE POST I HAD TO REMOVE "YOUR STATEMENT" FROM! NO APOLOGY AT ALL - I KNOW WHAT YOU DID! IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE I CORRECTED!

What one? The one you wrote? the one I quoted? the one you edited to remove the quote? I'll standby

Matt

" "The F-106 drivers never saw him,'' Rataczak said. "It was blacker than the ace of spades out there. They just saw a flash of light from us and then he just vanished..." (my underline) "

Is there a debrief of those F-106 drivers available?

This quote alone, an expert, discussing experts, refutes the "seen from the ground" stories, aside from real world experiences of course.

Matt

skyjack71

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***
How Many PM's have I ever sent you - now be very careful - I save them all

Jo' PS or Corrections to post I SUPPOSEDLY made - MatthewCline inserted something into my post I did NOT say! I have removed it as I would NOT want anyone to think I said that!

Nice conspiracy, but I made my comments in bold if they happened to be in a post you made, that I quoted your entire posts. I don't expect your apology, but would accept it.

Matt

skyjack71

How Many PM's have I ever sent you - now be very careful - I save them all!One is too many, but you have sent me some that covered each point I made. Go ahead and show every one, since You saved them all. They will enjoy the comedy.

YOU are only doing this to inflame me and I am very aware of that. YOU were NOT on this THREAD when it started and if you were YOU used another name!

Not trying to inflame you at all, but apparently that is easy to do, reread my statement. Because, I was here, before you even REGISTERED.

Now let's get back to "Cooper", we still don't have a viable suspect.

Matt

skyjack71

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So, back to Dan Cooper, and as Duane has been eliminated, let's find an actual suspect that fits. OK?

Matt

THAT part of your POST sums U up!
YOU could care less about solving the case - yours is a search to find a suspect YOU think might be Cooper!

You have neither the means nor the investigative skills to GO out and FIND a SUSPECT! HOPE U are REAL PROUD of the statement you made above - remember it is narrow minds and posters like yourself that keep the thread from progressing. WHAT have YOU in the time YOU have been on THIS thread been able to produce that was PRODUCTIVE in that goal?

NOTHING - so the only things you say - mimic others and demean others.

WHAT productive information have YOU offered to the thread? If you have productive information and investigations- post it! Other WISE STOP demeaning those who have put their hearts and souls and time for many yrs into this You are just someone passing thru who has nothing to offer other than trite and demeaning remarks attacking other posters who struggle to present their subject the best they can.

YOUR claims of outing others is UNCALLED for. When you come to my home as others have done and look at & read the early letters and notes in pages of planners then you can make the kind of postings you made - claiming the old woman took information from another source.

When YOU realize the old woman you attack - actually did the things she said and actually told the things she said - she did all of it in real time and without having read them somewhere, but having real knowledge of said things.

COME & READ my notes and my letters and my notes from phone conversations and know NOTHING was contrived or taken from the story of others. Many times I explored what OTHERS claimed, but did my own investigated into the subject or story and often took a few steps into their territory - BUT, my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE was always there waiting for my retreat BACK to that which I did know!

I know I wrote down in my planner when that book arrived - it was sent to me - BECAUSE the stories I was tellling appeared similar to the stories I told about Weber. It was Mr. H who asked me if I had ever read it. It would be several months later before I was sent a COPY of it.....I saw the similarities, but not the same....that is when I started to investigate the BOOK - I had to know who wrote the book!

I felt who ever wrote that BOOK knew Duane or had some kind of access. I have already stated the things I read and if I was aware f them before or after I read the book.

My research NEVER led me to the writer/author! I wanted to know who did the charicatures - never found out. I still want to meet the person who wrote the book - but that person is probably deceased.
MOST of the BOOK was FICTION, but there was sprinkling of things - things that I knew about Duane Weber - things that made me reason - if he wasn't Cooper he knew who wrote that book.

I remembered a woman who was at the shop - she was stout and wore a business suit and her hair was dyed dark. She knew Duane from the past. This was NO ordinary woman - she was polished.
I was on my way to an appt and didn't even have time to do more than say hello & how do you do, nice meeting you and I got to go.

She was introduce as Fucks - HOW can I ever forget that name!

Duane worked for a man by the name of Fucks.

Duane dated a woman by the name of Fucks.

So - is it just coincidence or did it mean something.

NOW I didn't make any of that UP.

My investigative skills have helped to clear a dozen cases involving drugs, murder, theft, fraud, and domestic assaults. All in the last few months (4).

I think you're mistaken on a few definitions on words you keep using.

Actually, I do believe, IIRC, the FBI eliminated Duane Weber as a Suspect (and K.C., as well as Sherridan, to be fair). So, I didn't place myself in any position of Jury or Judge.

I have read both the "Cooper" threads entirely, and we see no new evidence for ANY of the suspects. I've been on this sight longer than you, have actually jumped from the type of A/C, with similar equipment, and met many of the heroes who preceded me in the field of Military Parachuting and Skydiving. All point to the same conclusion, as the FBI, the suspect isn't, here.

The FBI says the case is still open, not solved, and there is no new evidence, or theories, to re-examine any of the previously eliminated suspects.

You're probably one of the biggest distractions to this case being solved. At least by the amateur sleuths. If any one is being a bully or hard headed, I would say the legal definitions fit you far better.

If you just want to know about Daune Weber, before you knew him, that is fine, I don't fully understand why, but you have your reasons I'm sure, and that is just fine. But, this group of people, and this forum, aren't the place for that. Your family, and your close friends, that would be the better fit for that.

I did notice you didn't address any actual qualifications or acknowledge that I answered ALL your questions. Just attacked me, because I do not support your theory. Goes along the lines of what Robert points out, attack the messenger and not the message.

Now, since I am so hated by you, maybe you'll stop with the PM's? If there is anything factual and relevant to the case you wish to discuss, do it here, in the open. No more "secrets", no more "set ups", and no more "stories for bait".

You have shown that you actually have far more net access than you want us to know. Use that, and find the answers you seek. You don't need to try and demand we do your research, or bidding.

Good luck.

Matt

skyjack71

************Jo,

The info that you say came

Quote

Source Unknown - sent to me by a very old aeronautical engineer - I cannot say who he worked for.

is straight word for word in Wikipedia.

***en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, ... During World War II and through the 1950s, high-frequency ("short-wave") radio was widely used for military and diplomatic communication, and could be ...

377

Another confirmation on a theory.

Matt

Matt you have confirmed ZERO.
I explained it was sent to me by someone else and received after the thread took a positive direction. No need to cause interference with your repeated pattern that is ONLY for the purpose of discrediting anything I say.

I have stayed out of the conversation, but it is things like your post above that inflames me....and causes me to make a rebuttal to defend myself.

I think everyone on here would appreciate you NOT make any remarks to inflame me and cause me to have to make a post like this one.

I have confirmed much, and many agree with me.
I hope your health is better.
I truly think you're on a wild goose chase.
I also think your medical issues, and their treatments, are causing you to act irrational, and to an outsider it would give the impression of dementia or other mental illness.

I truly hope 2014 is better for you. I think you could aid that by focusing on health instead of a fiction.

Matt



YOU are probably RUDE to your own mother. YOU have NOT heard nor read the things I wrote in 1996 and told before I ever came to this thread - if you did young man you will eat YOUR words.

Do NOT demean me NOT until you see and read my notes and letters and communications from 1996 until 2003+

YOU set yourself up as JUDGE and JUROR and you do NOT know me!

YOU have not seen the prior research - where things were discussed in the past. I did not know what they meant, but NONE of it was as YOU have SO RUDELY & DISPECTFULLY inferred.

I only take a sleeping pill and do NOT take the pain pills (rarely).

My mental status is NOT dementia or mental illness - quiet the contrary! THAT statement WAS totally UNCALLED FOR.


I would not WISH up on YOUR mother what was thrust upon me in 1996 when I found out who DAN COOPER WAS. If Weber was NOT Cooper he DAMN well knew who WAS!

Wild Goose Chase!

Perhaps you might like to discuss with me the 2 phone calls I got today. Individuals who know me and have met me and have explored the things I have - assurances that they do INDEED remember our discussion of the past...the things I told them PRE 2000!


THIS BRING TO MIND THESE QUESTIONS:

WHO ARE YOU? Answered in my Profile, I'm not pretending to be any one else.

HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THIS SUBJECT? I work various shifts, and carry a smart phone, as well as a wifi capable lap top, so during breaks and time off, I can read, converse, etc modern tech is awesome that way! I can even use "spell" and "grammar" checks!

WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? Retired from the U.S.Army, MASTER PARACHUTIST ( among many other certified areas), Skydiving Instructor Examiner, A/SEO and Sworn LEO, and hold on know, an SME for a large production Company in TN, maybe the largest!.

WHO PAYS YOUR BILLS?I do, and yours?

WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON THIS THREAD? I have an interest in unsolved crimes, kind of falls in line with a few of my areas of expertise and my experience in life.

DO YOU NOT HAVE A WIFE AND CHILDREN? Yep.

WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST IN THIS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY TO WORK ON THIS? I don't take away from them, I am very well balanced in my time management.

WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECTS SPOKEN ABOUT? With some subjects better than a few who keep speaking "factually". I also served as a liaison for a few organizations mentioned in this thread at the Annual Airborne Week at Ft Benning and All American Week at Ft Bragg. I've even jumped with a few folks from those same Orgs.

WHY WOULD YOU DEMEAN A WOMAN YOU HAVE NEVER MET?Have I demeaned you? Actually, demeaned you? If so I do apologize. BUt like BK, a GC etc, all should be held accountable for their postings, no slack given to you or them, as you all give none

HAVE YOU PERSONALLY SPOKE TO PEOPLE WHO KNEW DUANE? No, but he is dead. There is no ACTUAL EVIDENCE to suggest he is a viable suspect, so like the FBI, I would see no need to waste time researching him as a suspect. That is the context of this thread. Once he was eliminated, if some one wanted to know more about him, that is a different thread altogether, and not one fitting of this web page.

DO YOU COME FROM A BROKEN HOME? Nope, fishing and insinuating now?

DO YOU JUST LIKE T MESS WITH PEOPLE?To be honest, at times it can be fun. But, in this context I am not doing so.

ARE YOU A CONTROL FREAK?No, I'm a team player, I do like see things work out though to their completion, no matter the trail they travel.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO WA TO SEE THE ROUTE AND THE THINGS I SPEAK OF?Been there a few times, as there is no reason to research the "route", the answer would be "No".

HAVE YOU SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY?No, to my knowledge, any reason I should?

DO YOU KNOW MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY? See above.

WHAT IS YOUR MOTIVE & PURPOSE REGARDING COOPER?Answered already


What say you will NOT answer all of the question? Nor are you capable of understanding my generation! If this was an understandable sentence, maybe I could answer it.

So, back to Dan Cooper, and as Duane has been eliminated, let's find an actual suspect that fits. OK?

Matt

skyjack71

******Jo,

The info that you say came

Quote

Source Unknown - sent to me by a very old aeronautical engineer - I cannot say who he worked for.

is straight word for word in Wikipedia.

***en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, ... During World War II and through the 1950s, high-frequency ("short-wave") radio was widely used for military and diplomatic communication, and could be ...

377

Another confirmation on a theory.

Matt

Matt you have confirmed ZERO.
I explained it was sent to me by someone else and received after the thread took a positive direction. No need to cause interference with your repeated pattern that is ONLY for the purpose of discrediting anything I say.

I have stayed out of the conversation, but it is things like your post above that inflames me....and causes me to make a rebuttal to defend myself.

I think everyone on here would appreciate you NOT make any remarks to inflame me and cause me to have to make a post like this one.

I have confirmed much, and many agree with me.
I hope your health is better.
I truly think you're on a wild goose chase.
I also think your medical issues, and their treatments, are causing you to act irrational, and to an outsider it would give the impression of dementia or other mental illness.

I truly hope 2014 is better for you. I think you could aid that by focusing on health instead of a fiction.

Matt

RobertMBlevins

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On the other subject: 'Well south of Portland'. Okay, so what? I'm pretty sure by that time Cooper was long gone, since the airstairs indicator light only flashed the one time and then stayed on for good all the way to Reno. So after the point Cooper jumped, the only thing relevant about 305 was that it was an unscheduled flight.

Blevins, You obviously didn't bother to read the post that I quoted and to which I was replying.

Your "so what" above brings up the obvious question of why you even replied to my post in the first place? Or was it just another of your knee-jerk replies to keep up your pretense of being a "leading Cooper researcher"?

Confidentiality Agreements to cover up your own demonstrated incompetence with the KC book? That's the best laugh I have had since lunch.

How much of your forthcoming "Cooperland" masterpiece will you be stealing from DZ and the other posters on this thread? Just asking.

Robert99


he also uses the excuse of not trusting people. this has nothing to do with trusting people on this thread. it's a question asked by people who expect answers. it doesn't make sense.

He uses the "source please" every time something comes into question, but ask him about something and it turns into a trust issue. the trust is not in the question asked by someone, it's in the answer! that's trust.

Reality Hotel insert thingy

This is a public forum. You may not believe it, but MOST people who ask me for this or that go through my email. They don't ask me to post everything up publicly just so THEY can read it here. The confidentiality agreement isn't official. If you are requesting something, then all I ask is for you to put your true name and contact info into the main body of the message and then say you won't post any part of our email communications publicly on the internet.

Then...if you do...I just put your email address on the spam list and leave it at that...and then post up your promise online that came with your email request to show publicly you are a liar. Which would also have your contact info. I would not do this at Dropzone, of course, (it's against the rules) but elsewhere. That is MORE than fair. It also keeps people honest.

Sent to Mitchell: Four pictures and a cover letter. The cover discusses the DB Cooper page at AB and where he can look at the KC report. The fix on the house price is a minor thing and I will get around to it as soon as Webs.com fixes our little access problem. In the cover letter I did not tell Mitchell that KC paid cash-in-full for the house. Mainly it was a request to examine pictures anyway. Pictures have captions and notes on the back.

Stick to the topic then. As you say, per the forum rules you know.

Matt

377

Jo,

The info that you say came

Quote

Source Unknown - sent to me by a very old aeronautical engineer - I cannot say who he worked for.

is straight word for word in Wikipedia.

***en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, ... During World War II and through the 1950s, high-frequency ("short-wave") radio was widely used for military and diplomatic communication, and could be ...

377

Another confirmation on a theory.

Matt

skyjack71

What about that site did you want me to see.

What I found interestion was the obits. DO ANY OF YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE LOOKED FOR THIS MAN?

SINCE DAY ONE! HIS NAME WAS WRITTEN ON THE SAN MARIO CARD THAT WAS IN THE WALLET WITH THE FALSE IDENTIFICATION. IF I DON'T HAVE IT SCANNED I WILL SCAN IT AND POST IT. THE CARD HAD A NAME ON IT - AND GUESS WHAT IT WAS.

SAN MARINO SANITARIUM WAS IN CA AND I HAVE SEARCHED HIGH AND LOW FOR THIS MAN. I ALWAY FIND THEM TOO LATE. ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE OTHERS IT WAS JUST NAMES DUANE MENTIONED - THIS ONE HIS NAME WAS IN THE WALLET....I THOUGHT IT WAS A NURSE BY THE NAME OF EDWARDS -

MORE SURPRISES - THAT WAS NOT THE ONLY OLD FRIEND I FOUND. I FOUND 2 MORE - ONE I AM CERTAIN OF AND THE OTHER ONE - IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACKGROUND ON - JUST THAT HE WAS THE FATHER OF ONE OF DUANE'S YOUNG FRIENDS AND HE WAS A JUMPER.

Obituaries

Edward Nurse ( Missoula 1948 )
posted: Mar 10, 2003
Ed died March 3, 2003 in Helena, Mont.

From 1943-1945, Ed was a packer for the U.S. Forest Service in Missoula and in 1948 and 1949 he was a Missoula smokejumper. He enlisted in the U.S. Navy and served as electricians mate for 22 months. Ed worked as an instrument man for the county surveyor in Missoula in 1950-1951 and as student lab assistant at Montana State University-Bozeman in 1952-1953.

He married Marian Louise Sampson in 1951. Ed graduated from Montana State University with a civil engineering degree and after MSU attended the University of California and received a "fast track" masters in engineering.

He opened Foundation and Material Consultant Engineering located in Helena, an active business for 40 years.

Thank you for confirming my theory.


Matt

skyjack71

I have tried to explain this to these guys before and with forest fires - you do NOT want to be separated from your equipment. Paperlegs Petersen was one of the first and best to teach these guy how to go in and manuver away from the fires and down drafts and release the equipment just before hitting ground.

Picture attached - the one DUANE WEBER left in a safe deposit box I KNEW nothing about!

Paperlegs was using this method before 1962 when he was in the N.W. with firejumping. Then he was recruited to head up Intermountain Communications out of CO, AZ, WA, OR and NV - the training was done in many places and with different climates. The training head quarters was Canon, Leadville and a place north of Ft. Collins (I forget the name of it right now). Intermountain communications was shut down in 1973.

You're mixing to different types of parachuting up.

Oddly, Jo some of the posts and memories, appear to be word for word lines from this web page.

http://smokejumpers.com/index.php

Matt

In WWII most individual equipment was not lowered on a "Lowering Line", heavier and bulky items did get lowered.

So a Pistol, or Carbine, and their ammo, water grenades, small packs, etc, stayed with them. Mortars, crew served Machine guns, large packs, etc, got lowered on a rope device called the "lowering line".

Not every one rigged their gear for lowering then, as they do ow, but every one did get taught how to do it, in case the next jump you had the heavy stuff. But there would be plenty of experienced Paratroopers around to help you.

Paratroopers then, and still today, jump into a fight prepared to operate for no less than 48 hours without relief or re-supply. So yes, an individual may need assistance to get in the old Gooney Birds.

All Paratroopers are taught to put gear on "tight", then, after we graduate Airborne School we all think we have a better idea and put it on a little looser, then we try that, see it doesn't work as well, and go back to doing it the right way, usually within a jump or two.

If Cooper was a Paratrooper (experienced) and not just qualified (not experienced, just a school house graduate), he would go with that experience, and the money bag would have been on as snug as he could bear, and as it is a small bundle, coupled the terrain he was jumping into, most likely not rigged to be lowered.

I'm not advocating anyone's suspect, but I think this would actually eliminate a few of the more common ones tossed out in this thread.

Matt

hangdiver

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Who says Cooper actually tied it closely to his body? If he was an ex-paratrooper, (not Kenny necessarily, but ANY paratrooper) he may have left some slack in the line. Then he jumps and lets it go just as he pulls the ripcord. The result might have been as pictured in the attachment. Roughly that is. Remember: Mucklow said one of the last things she saw was Cooper tying a line around his waist.

I don't think that's how it's done...LMAO

yep, Cooper died all right...

that scenario would probably make the harness fail and kill or severely injure the jumper...

hangdiver

Yes, Robert has the scenario bassackwards on how it is actually taught, and how the experienced, and not so experienced, actually do equipment jumps.

"Tight ,is right"

Matt