RogerRamjet

gb1

Just stumbled across this thread myself. At the time I heard Steve crashed a King Air, but that could be wrong. However, he had just taken a serious test to enter the navy. He had the second highest score on record! Roger, I remember you when you worked for Jeff at Z-Hills. About 1972. Jim T

That would have been 1973 and part of 1974. Jim T???

As an example of how it might look, there is a page on Roger Nelson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Nelson_(skydiver)

faulknerwn

What is the collar you are talking about?

Well, it's been 40 years, but if I remember correctly there was a collar that wrapped around the lines when packed for terminal. This collar required a substantial snatch to release which is why it tended to bag lock when taken sub-terminal.

Edited to add: I just looked at the packing manual linked to above (I've never seen one before as Billy Revis and Dan Steiger taught me how to pack one. The manual shows just one packing method using the collar (called "Bag Retainer Strap" in the manual). I'm pretty sure this is the strap we didn't use for sub-terminal deployments. Up thread, it was said that someone has one. I'd recommend checking with them on the packing method they're using before proceeding.

The only low pulling friend I ever had that didn't bounce (except Billy Revis).

BSBD Scotty!

I have many jumps on both the baby plane and cloud. If you are going sub terminal, just don't use the collar and MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GO TERMINAL.

The broken ribs vs bag lock issue is just this:
1) Pack for terminal and deploy sub terminal = bag lock.
2) Pack for sub-terminal and take it to terminal = broken something (depends on weight and luck).

Converting to a slider is more work than it's worth for one or two jumps.

Edited to add: As for the pilot chute, I've used 2 MA-1 and 1 MA-1 with pretty much equal results. I would think the alternate pilot chute will be fine as long as it has as much or more drag as a single MA-1 (pretty much a given).

GTairhoss

Roger,

I used an old style pig rig (looked like a chest mount reserve stacked on top of a mini-system) with a chest mount reserve. I forgot to assume the proper body position when I cut away and went unstable. I did a 10 second delay after cut-away. It was like driving down the street at 100 MPH and throwing an anchor out!

Happy Skiing,

Gary

That would have been the Cross Bow pig rig I believe, should have had one-shot capewells. I used one-shots my whole jumping career except when borrowing other's gear. I expect an near terminal opening on a round reserve with no diaper or bag would be sort of sudden... On my mal which was a Mae West, I opened my 26' conical within a few feet of my departing capewells, so didn't have much opening shock. Same on my intentionals, didn't want to take those reserves to terminal.

ststorm

Are you still actively jumping?
My Uncle Terry was Freak Brother #122
They called him Falcon.
Im looking to get my FB# and maybe even find someone that may have some old pics of him in his jumping days, or even stories. I'm pretty much a newbie in the sport, but my mom says I'm just like he was and I think she would get a kick out of hearing I became a FB and any stories of her brother Terry (Falcon) Grover.

No, I drifted out of the sport in 1980. Yes, I knew Falcon and that photo may well be from Hinkley in 1975 as that looks like the Lodestar we took up there that year.

I got my number on a jump with FB#1 and FB#2 among others in 1975 at Hinckley. Alas, no camera man...

I don't know if they were the best days or not, but the most dramatic period IMO was about 74 to 78. That period marks the transition from military gear with round canopies to custom harness/container systems, 3-ring, hand-deploy (throw out now), and all squares. Glad I was there

Here you go:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/16626901@N00/sets/72157648389633247/

jumpwally

Hey buddy,,,where's the link or pics ? thanks...

Yikes... Ok, I have them on my PC at home, just have to upload to Flickr and post the link. I'll try to get to it by the weekend, but feel free to keep bugging me about it if you don't see my post

patmoore

I tried taking digital pictures of slides shown on a screen but they didn't come out that well. I do have a slide scanner but it involves taking them out of the carousel tray and scanning them three at a time. Way too time consuming.

In any event, here are a few I took shots of. I'm having a hard time identifying everyone. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

I'll likely upload some of them to DZGone.com

Photo #23 is Charlene (Charlie) Moore, Ed Moore's wife at the time.

patmoore

You are correct. The PC is backwards. Note the caption says "Oops!" I think I took that shot at an accuracy meet in Gainesville, FL in the early 70s but not positive.

Here's another link to the album.

See if you can spot a very young Bill Booth in this photo.

If I ever retire, I'll scan more slides and update the album.

Pat, you MUST be retired by now, how about scanning some more photos for us (please, please)?

76 was the 102 teams. Participation began to drop off starting in 77.

I didn't count, but the stage was full for the photos. There are some photos on Facebook already and I'm sure there will be more. I took a number of shots, but have not done the download or post processing yet. When I get them done, I'll drop a link in here for you. Saw at least 10 FB brothers I hadn't seen in 38 years
Edited to add: In one of the group photos on Facebook, it looks like about 85 of us.

Krip

***Just curious about the construction of the canopy. One of the things that got me interested in rs old, a friend's Dad gave us a parachute he brought home from WWII, a front mounted 24' bailout rig. The canopy was nylon though. Was there a mix of construction materials (IE: was silk still in use in WWII)?

Hi RR

I did some serious research to find the answer to your question, googled it nylon was invented by Dupont? Late 30s went into production 1940 the mcnasties started the war in end of 41 so you bet there were nylon canopies in WW2. Maybe more nylon in use towards the end of the war.

But there were also silk canopies, already in use, and in the pipeline. Talked with a man who saw a american silk parachute made into a dolls dress. and my dads Silk bed cover.

Sorry don't have a clue of the percentage of silk vs nylon canopies or their pruction runs. But when you google silk parachutes you never know

a German plane gets shot down over england only one parachute, all the village women grab something and go after the survivor.

German sees the village woman, splits in fear of his life.
Village women didnt chase after the dude they wanted the silk parachute.
Cut it up and made silk knickers for all the women in the village.
Silk had been rationed due to the war effort in england but whatever they were using as a substitute wasn't very popular.

German nylon parachutes in WW2? Maybe but, it was a American product

So many questions and such little time

Cool story. It makes perfect sense that both materials were in use particularly in the first part of the war. Thanks for the research

Just curious about the construction of the canopy. One of the things that got me interested in parachuting was when I was about 10 years old, a friend's Dad gave us a parachute he brought home from WWII, a front mounted 24' bailout rig. The canopy was nylon though. Was there a mix of construction materials (IE: was silk still in use in WWII)?

I will be there. Didn't see this thread when I looked, but thankful that I did a search before starting a new one

I saw it on FaceBook as well. Those were certainly great times!

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Hi Roger,

If you used OneShots then you were a rarity as they only came on the CrossBow rig.

Security would sell the OneShot capewells ( I bought a set from them ) but few knew this. And of course Capewell developed the 1 1/2 shots soon after and that became the most installed/used device.

You post is correct. However, when Security brought out the CrossBow with OneShots they said to activate them as lekstrom says; a 2-step process; although there was no mention of activating one side before the other.

JerryBaumchen

I bought mine from Mid Ohio Parachute where I bought all my supplies for rig building. There were only a couple of us at Z-Hills using them. Some thought they were dangerous and would release with just a knock, but they would stop half way open and you had to pull them near 180 degrees to actually release. I was jumping a lot of the early squares and liked the idea of a quick cutaway in case of a bag lock or other high speed mal. In 7 years, 1000 jumps and 3 cutaways (2 intentional), I never had a problem with them and would not hesitate to jump with them again though there is no reason these days with the 3-Ring.

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The one shot capewell was mostly on the early crossbow pig rigs . while nice in concept they never really oneshotted. You could pull the covers down then smackthem both at the same time to be gone. That rig had the first RSL in 1964 but you had the make sure you released the right side slightly before the left as ther were no cross cpnnectors between risers. Obviously they worked for me many times with the ropes and rings Paraplane clouds

I jumped (and used) One-Shots after I got off student status. Mine certainly didn't work that way... Just pull the cover all the way down and you were gone. I did 2 intentional (practice) cutaways and one from an actual mal with them and they always worked perfectly (and way faster than 1.5 shots).
There were some who said you should pull them down to the cocked (half open) position and then slap them to the harness, but it just was not necessary.

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Roger,

Check your e-mail - I sent along 4 pics yesterday,

Blue Skies,

Gary

And a nice set of photos too! I do remember seeing you at the Sod Farm, but I don't think we made any jumps together (but it was a long time ago). What did you use for the intentional cutaway? I used a Pioneer Pig Rig with a front mounted reserve for mine (I did two of them). When I had a real mal, it was "almost" routine...

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Roger,

I think I can find a pic - but our printer/scanner is down and the computer is on its last legs. We're gonna replace our system next wk - then I'll see what I can find and send it along.

GT

I'll watch for your next post here :)

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Roger, This is too cool!!! You are exactly the person I was thinking of when I think of Roger Clark. I remember the bearded guy you were talking to as well but I can't think of his name. When I saw your picture I let out such a war whoop my wife came to see what was the matter with me. You have made my entire week!

Caption is over the picture. The bearded guy is Greg Baker, another Sod Farm regular. The girl is Traci Trimble, sister of a good friend, but not a jumper. I'm sure I know you as well; any photos of you from that period floating around?

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Roger-

Don't remember if I got one of Warren's cards. Your name sounds somewhat familiar and I think I'm getting a mental picture of what you looked like back then. Did you ever know Mike McPhillips or Ric Haglund?

Gary Thompson
D-4616, NSCR 777

Yes, I knew them both. Here is what I looked like when jumping at the Sod Farm (in fact this shot is at the Sod Farm): http://www.dropzone.com/photos/Detailed/Personal/Left_to_right_Roger_Clark_-_Traci_Trimble_-_Greg_Baker_110879.html