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Flyjack: Where is "somewhere"? Could somewhere be in a creek or upstream, etc? Or does it lean more towards being in someone's possession, such as a stewardess?

Trying to play catch up here. Do I understand all the posts correctly that the new analysis of the diatoms indicates a certain time frame for the arrival of the bills on Tina Bar, and that arrival time could not have been late November of 1971?

They will find something. A tin can or a shoe, and it will be blown out of proportion like the media always does every day. A&E can’t do a show just about a search in the woods. Eric is not a guest either, he’s helping produce it, so it will likely feature Sheridan too. I have to imagine the Rackstraw people are a little bent out of shape about another suspect getting attention.

These shows always have to add some excitement to hook the audience. I’m curious to see if they “find” any clues out there. I think it is highly unlikely that Cooper landed there or was there, so it will be interesting to see what pieces they find out there and how they add excitement to the show. At this point I’m glad to see shows about the case.

Seats.

The chutes are a big piece of the case. I’ve found it interesting how each one of us focuses on certain aspects of the case, and even a focus within a focus. Some things I think about on the chutes. How the heck does a dummy chute end up on the plane? This is very suspect. Who is able to put on a harness so quickly? Some pics I received from some old timers who were Naval aviators on the Beechcraft “Twin Beech” a Navy recon and utility aircraft in the 1940s and after. Note the backpack chutes on the shelf and then the shot of the seats where the belly chutes would be hooked. One of the aircrew told me that they flew with the harness on and in an emergency would just clip on the belly chute

Robert: Let's be serious here. Shutter's site is not going anywhere, and it is still the best site out there for DB Cooper, and the most popular. Those same arguments come up all the time where people threaten to leave or shut the site down. Bruce's site picks up more comments when he puts a new article out. He just has not written one in a while. Quora is not getting people with a lot of knowledge of the case. DZ really just has a few of us who comment: you, me, Flyjack, Parrothead, and an occasional drop in from one or two others. A few of us comment on Shutter's site, a few don't. I would be real disappointed to see Shutter's site go away.

Find was 40 years ago on Monday the 10th (he found it on a Sunday) today is the anniversary of the FBI announcing it. I went on Newspapers.com and found some old articles.

This day in history: 1980: The FBI announces that about $5,800 of the $200,000 ransom paid to hijacker “D.B. Cooper” before he parachuted from a Northwest Orient jetliner in 1971 was found by an 8-year-old boy on a riverbank of the Columbia River in Washington state.

Robert: When do you think the movie will be coming out? When is that HBO doc coming out, July?

I can see this happening. McCoy got caught and there is a crowd that thinks he's Cooper. If he hadn't been caught, then we would have had two hijackings with no culprit. Logic would say that it very well could have been the same person.

I’ll summarize my opinion of McCoy being Cooper: It’s a joke. Case closed.

Thanks Flyjack. Ok, that saved me some time. Page 35 in their book talks about it. It looks like the book came out October 1, 1991. The FBI held onto that piece of info for 20 years.

The first time the FBI discussed the tie was possibly December 31, 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20090211153105/http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec07/dbcooper123107.html I don’t know if Larry Carr discussed it on DZ before that.

When did the FBI announce they had the tie? I know in 1988 it was still a secret when the Unsolved Mysteries came out. I feel like it was around the 2000’s.

Nothing wrong with hard work. A lot of history at Oak Ridge. I despise Comcast and Verizon and any of those companies. Legal monopolies as far as I'm concerned. It's 2020 and I see minimal improvement in their tech or their customer service. I was hoping Google Fiber would be more prevalent now. A lot of people would have to be wrong for the flight path to be over Tena Bar. However, I do know that some people are really hooked on their own theories, and it gives them energy and keeps them involved in the case.

Could be. Could also be that Larry Carr was just really interested in the case. Let's say the chute was Cooper's, what info could the FBI glean from it?

I did not spend a lot of time looking into this parachute, but as I recall, for some reason I did not think it was Cooper's, maybe due to the location where it was found, or something to do with the cords being more like a supply chute vs a personnel chute. Regardless, the FBI held back info on the black clip on tie for 30 years, so for them to not disclose info about a parachute would make sense, and it is their prerogative to do so. As for the tie, if a picture of that tie and tie clip had been given out in 1971, then maybe someone would have identified Cooper. However, in order to rule out impostors, the FBI would have held back some info from the public.

So if the chute is Cooper's, does it point to anyone specific?

If that's the case, then what does it mean? Does it point to a specific suspect?

Agreed. Two chutes in his mind may very well have meant four actual parachutes/two full rigs. If this is the case, then it could be that he never thought of taking a hostage with him on the jump, and it simply could have been because he wanted two sets of chutes, thinking that the FBI would not have sabotaged all four. For a dummy chute to have shown up in the group still perplexes me. Apparently the dummy was stored near the regular chutes, but to me that is like storing cyanide in on the same shelf as your aspirin. It just does not make sense. I figure he thought the government would try to sabotage his chute, so he needed to do something to lower the risk. This could be why he asked for four chutes, or maybe he really did want them to think he was taking a hostage. If this is the case, then it indicates some serious pre-planning and thinking out possible scenarios. Through some research I learned that some aircrews would only have jumped with a reserve. They would have had to grab it quickly, hook it on, and jump. The reserves were smaller and took up less space. That way they could fly wearing a harness, and in the remote chance that they had to jump, they would grab the reserve. A low altitude jump (plane about to crash) would not have allowed time for two chutes. If the main failed, a crewman would have hit the ground before he had time to deploy his reserve, hence just jumping with one. I'm trying to remember here. He left a good back chute on the plane, and a good reserve that he opened. Which means he jumped with a good main, and a bad reserve. Right?

Robert: We all get the point about Quora. It has been discussed ad nauseam. When you post about Quora, it takes focus away from your other content.

Of all the possible scenarios, Cooper putting the money there himself is about last on my list of probable ways. Others that I rate as higher likelihood are: The packets dropped out of the back of the plane The packets are money he tried to give to one of the stews It's money he gave someone else along the way and they got rid of it later, maybe even Tina A few packets broke off from the main bunch and ended up on Tina Bar, while a whole bunch of other money floated somewhere else. None of the above are theories that I came up with, some pre-date all of us joining the case, some are Flyjack's. There are many scenarios. The fact that 97% of the bills are unaccounted for makes the Tina Bar money interesting, but in my mind not a major factor in the case. It has caused a lot of confusion, and gets a lot of attention. It is the only link we have to Cooper after he jumped, so I can see why it is an important draw for people. As we know, if you have a flight path or a suspect and need to fit a square peg into a round hole, then the Tina Bar money can be used to inject some doubt.

True. Many people who know who DB Cooper is would likely tell you the case is solved and it is Rackstraw or Reca.

Robert: Good luck with the camping trip. I'm wondering how the folks in Cooperland can really get this case back in the spotlight, nationally and internationally? Individual suspects hit the news, and there is an uptick in interest for a short time. A show comes on like on the Travel Channel and we see an uptick. A new suspect like Walter Reca comes out and we see an uptick. How can we get sustained interest in this case so that people are thinking about it and wondering if it could be there grandfather, or they go looking in the family safety deposit boxes for $20's, or they hike the area of the flight path and look for relics? How do we get the FBI to re-open the case, or at least take an interest in it? I'm thinking if you write your congressman out there in Oregon that they would probably ignore it. I'm just thinking that once the 50th anniversary comes and goes that this case could die.