Skymonkey2

Hi Ron, it is pretty funny that we are giving low jump number coaches more resopnsiblities, but not giving them the education. Like I said earlier and Ron stated, we should allow coaches to jump with AFF students too, it is the same dive flow in the SIMS. Why not make the standards higher for the coaches, I mean more experience jump numbers and time in the sport. Just a question..... AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

As a rooming dz. how much do you for free? I do a lot of free coaching, I also work with people to get them ready for courses very inexpensively. So what to you do? I believe in education. And I am a professional skydiver now that I am retired. I go to meetings and talk to USPA at least twice a week, I am also a advisor to the S&TA Committee, how about you? AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

I agree with Tom, I have been to a board meeting, I talked to some one that was at the board meeting and said that only one member disagreed with it and there was hardly any discusssion, niether the S&TA Committee and the Full Baord gave it much discussion. AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

This is not a true statement, let me ask you this, do travel away from Z-hills much? and if so do you see all different size dzs? If you says yes then you might want to retract your statement. But it is a crying shame that the standards have been lowered. That is what this is all about. If we don't give the students (customers, and new friends) what they are paying for then we as a community have failed. You always here on this site about standards for AFF I's being to easy, so why are they being lowered for the other ratings. AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Good point, there were a far amount of dz's that required the level 8, so coaching is not new to the sport and the prices are pretty much the same. Now on the AFF rating, you can blame course directors for the standards not USPA! students are our future train them well AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Yes the program is out lined this way if you read thru the IRM, in the later categories it states it, and the student can self evalute themselves for there card........... AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

You are correct. but it goes back to teaching the student the correct information. If the D license skydiver is not teaching the or if you would like working on the correct techniques or the drop zones syllabus then we are confusing the student and he or she is getting mixed information. Again this is critical time in any ones learning. www.airrageskydivingservices.com AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

For quit a few jumper it is rocket science. I have been running coach courses sense the beginning, and I do a lot of coaching, for free. And there are a lot of D license skydivers I would not let jump with anyone. Plus not everyone can teach, this is a critical time in the beginer students long term carreer. I don't think that there are a lot of coaches out there that know what there doing, but that falls back on the course director and the individual. I also hear form a lot of old time instructors that a individual should be a coach for at least one year before they get their instructor rating just like with the old jumpmaster program. The student can work without a coach or instructor on the skills to complete the A license card. And then when ready basically test out. Almost every big sport out there requires money. Education is the best way to prevent accidents. AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

There are several dz that I know of one being Green Bay skydivers that there program has retained more students because of the coach program, this is a two C182 dz, and there a couple I could mention, at the 2005 PIA our Safety and Training Committee Chairman also said that retention has been up at his dz because of the program. Not the programs fault but the fault of the individuals that are trying to impliment it. AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

I agree with this, but coaches are teaching basic RW and they are taught the princeples of teaching. AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

If your looking for information about becoming an AFF instructor check out www.airrageskydivingservices.com AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

• Winter Board Meeting Completes • D-license holders may now jump with students cleared to solo freefall supervision (certain limitations apply). o About five years ago the USPA came up with a new student program called the Integrated Student Program (ISP), which was modeled after the Skydive University program. When this program was adopted by the USPA the Jumpmaster rating was basically changed to Coach. The program promoted survival skills in two different ways, first the basic survival skills for a student. First it was for the student to show the instructors that they were altitude aware and heading maintenance and hover control could be maintained (stability) for a stable deployment. If you remember the old student programs the students were required to move forward and dock. This was removed from the initial program for multiple reasons. One it is not a survival skill. Two with the new coach program it was part of the second phase to make much more aware and safer license skydivers. Phase two of the coaching program was to take the survival skills and perfect them while teaching students basically relative work survival skills. As a Course Director I have meet many D license skydivers that have a hard time skydiving in groups, and don’t have the skills to work with students. We as course directors teach USPA Coaches how to teach and the proper ways to teach students to meet the requirement for the A license. We are supposed to teach the latest up to date techniques. Also in the coach course and in the instructor courses we as course directors’ talk to the candidates about not letting students absorb information from other experienced skydivers. So now with USPA giving D license skydivers the opportunity to work with students we are breaking some of the principles of teaching. And we are letting the students possibly learn bad habits or not what we want them to learn. o This looks like we are taking a step backwards in the Safety and Training department. o I have met so many younger skydivers in Coach Courses that have said that this program (ISP) is so awesome and wished that when they were students they were taught this information and were taught these techniques. o Before the board meeting I had the opportunity to talk to a former DZO and he like the idea for D license skydivers to work with students, but the only he could come up with was because he can’t to afford to loose instructors for coach jumps. This in opinion is not a good reason to change. o My personal thought is that USPA is allowing this because not enough Drop Zones have coaches and they can’t give up instructors to conduct coach jumps. So possibly once again USPA is looking out for the DZ owners and not the students and there well being. • Static line or IAD students may now begin working under the supervision of a USPA coach following a successful clear and pull. o If you look in the SIM section 4 (ISP) you will notice that all the programs AFF, S/L and IAD are pretty much the same once the student moves to Category D. The students are conducting turns. So why can’t coaches work with AFF students at this time? The students could be conducting solo exits. o Last summer two drop zones requested a waiver for their coaches to work with students after the students have been cleared form the static-line or the IAD. Back under the old system where there were Jumpmasters and Instructors. Both the instructor and jumpmaster were required to attend a course that was method specific. And the jumpmaster and instructor were required to attend a Basic Instructional Course before attending the ratings courses. So once again it looks like we have taken a step backwards in the safety and training side of skydiving. Coaches if taught properly may be able to work with these students, but don’t have the experience to properly critique the student in the air, so once again we are doing a miss-justice to the student. o And if you remember the old programs each time a skydiver wanted a new rating he or she was required to teach and be evaluated; now we are giving some one with minimal experience and training the right to teach students. www.airrageskydivingservices.com AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Judit, it great to meet you, I wish you the best of luck in your travels, and I hope to see you agian in our travels....... AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Chrissy you can wear a PRO-Tec at any one of my courses LMAO AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

what kind of trip should I do? www.airrageskydivingservices.com Their are some cool pic from the courses at Tecumseh for those that know the peolpe at SDT AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Myself and my wife Linda have had the pleasure to work and jump at Skydive Tecumseh this summer, I have met some really awesome people, and have had the chance to run a numerous amount of courses. I have had the pleasure to jump with a lot of the new AFF I's. You guys are doing awesome things with students and the student program. I recommend everyone in the area check Skydive Tecumseh out. Thanks to everyone at Skydive Tecumseh for making this a fun summer. Hope to see you all again. Special thanks to Matt and Cheryl for taking the hard task of putting together an AFF Program. AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Chuck I can fit in it. LOL AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

With over 1500 tandems, I try never to do flips, but plan for them depending on the student size and aircraft. I try to do a stable exit every time. One for safety and two for the sake of the student. I try to show the student a stable exit so they know it can be done so if they want to learn to skydive they have a pretty good understanding. If a student comes back and is not looking to learn, but jsut likes doing tandems and they ask for a flip or two I will probably do them. Hey Chuck hows NC again, I talked to Shady Monkey last weekend, out in Cal. He says hi. later AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

The time we talked Nick was just the coach, when Nick became a jumping coach the team moved to the next cat up, so unless you know what your talking about. keep quite........ later dude AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well

Ron, your still so easy to get to , lighten up, life is to short.

First weekend at home for training, oh yea the van was there too. 47 jumps rained out last part of sunday the 8th of june, I believe they will have a better average the the Beez. But only time will tell. Team tng jumps to date scence Feb, 141 jumps. hope to see all at Nationals. LATER AFFI-E, Tandem I-E, S/L I-E, IAD I-E, Coach I-E Students are our future teach them well