sundevil777

Members
  • Content

    8,173
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    4
  • Feedback

    0%

Everything posted by sundevil777

  1. They don't always break. Bag locks still happen with mil spec bands. But they do often break when you don't want them to. Mr. Sherman trusts them so little for locking stows that the speedbag uses a multitude of them. If you haven't had bag dump of your main due to mil spec bands breaking when you didn't want them to - you probably will. I make my own tube stows for my main, very cheap. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  2. At least Muslims apparently have the right to not be insulted in Germany (at the bottom of the page): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185873,00.html And you might have thought political correctness had gone too far in the US... People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  3. I think you've got a good point there. In order to advocate a limitation on abortion depending on the age of the fetus, at some point during the pregnancy, it should be considered a person, and be granted those kinds of recognition by the govt. If it dies, then a death certificate would also be in order. Kind of a formal acknowledgment of human rights before the birth certificate. Very appropriate. I think adding this to the overall platform/position of pro-life groups would strengthen their cause. Of course the 'life at conception' advocates would have trouble, but good for those that are OK with some intermediate position. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  4. Because many believe killing should be prohibited even if the person being killed is still inside the mother. It would seem that you have to conclude that it is not a life until birth, or that mothers have the right to kill their unborn children. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  5. That gets at my position, which is that I *can't* clearly define it. Somewhere between being an unfertilized egg and being a post-delivery infant, a human comes into being. Blues, Dave The word "delivery" says it all. Until the woman delivers it, it is hers and not society's. The responsibilty is hers, the choice is hers and hers alone. The rest of us should butt out. By my count that is just 3 that hold the 'choice of the mother at any time for any reason' position. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  6. What's your answer to pregancy by rape? Make sure your answer does not in any way further infringe on the right of the woman to live her life as she sees fit. I would allow abortion up to a certain point in time (about the same as Billvon describes). After that, I think the human right to live outweighs the right of the woman to choose to not be a mother. It is a simple human rights position. Some avoid it by contending it is not a life until the moment of birth. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  7. Clearly you hold the position that it should be the choice of the mother no matter what. The circumstances you describe are the ones those for which sympathy is easy. Defending the decisions not involving such 'mitigating circumstances' is not so easy. I think that a logical extension of your argument is that rapists and murderers, etc. are not responsible for their actions. Therefore the proper role of the justice system is to protect the public from them, but they should not be punished for actions beyond their control. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  8. Of course your question was not directed to me, but I think it comes down to an "it is in my body, it is my decision" argument. Isn't that why partial birth abortion is done before it comes completely out? I don't think that position can be defended morally. Bringing up horrible circumstances that help us to understand why a woman might want an abortion, or how the child's life is likely to be horrible, is not relevant, in my opinion, because that position is held regardless of whether those circumstances are actually present. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  9. Would you be ok with a mother killing there one week old baby? If not then why? I am pro choice to a point but trying to understand where you are coming from? Edit to add: Do you believe life starts when you exit the womb? Some do indeed hold to that position. Or at least that the mother should be allowed to end that life as long as it is within their bodies. Isn't that why partial birth abortion is done in a way so that it dies while still within the body of the mother? I don't think this position can be defended morally. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  10. You haven't said it explicitly, but I think you're the only person willing to imply that you think it is OK at any time, for any reason that the mother decides. I think you are in a small minority. Most think that it is a life worth protecting at some point, and I believe it is a human rights issue that at some point it is a life worth protecting regardless of whether the mother was raped/incest, knew of the pregnancy, etc. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  11. When do you think it is a life worth protecting as any other? If what a woman carries inside her body isn't capable of living outside her body, I'd say that no matter what you believe, you haven't the right to demand that she use her body as an incubator just to suit your idea of what is right and wrong. rl You have made it clear that you believe at some point it is a life worth protecting as any other. The viability threshold as a determining point will continue to change with advances in medical technology, so I don't think that is a good criteria, unless you don't mind that threshold to be regularly adjusted (I wouldn't expect strong advocates of abortion rights to want that). When someone talks of it being nobody business but their own, etc. it implies they believe it is OK up until birth. I don't think I've seen anyone here say that is their position. Unless you/your daughter hold that position, you also agree at some point it is killing, and then shouldn't it be treated as such by our judicial system? If you want to consider that "shoving beliefs down another person's throat", then so be it - I'm certainly not alone in the shoving. Yes, I believe it should be prohibited by law at some point. If people agree with this basic principle, then why go on about it not being anybody elses business. We should instead be discussing when it should be prohibited, not if. I keep bringing this up because I think it is important to clearly define your position, and many will not readily admit that they have limits to their position. I think realizing this is important to coming to a reasonable compromise. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  12. When do you think it is a life worth protecting as any other? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  13. I don't think that the prohibition of killing another person should be considered a "taboo". When do you think it is a person deserving of protection? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  14. Here's a pic with quite a bit more than ten! OK, so maybe you wouldn't want to always do big way exits with a rope ladder hanging down from the door, and another rope going aft... People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  15. What sort of society are you proposing? If you take away all freedom and personal responsibility, a society/system could certainly be designed to take care of the problem. But for now we have laws that attempt to protect the innocent/punish the guilty, and private and govt agencies with the mission to look out for the abused/innocent, and to help parents improve their parenting. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  16. If at some point during the pregnancy, it is a life worth protecting as any other, then I think it is reasonable to prohibit the killing of it, as the killing of any other would be prohibited. Does the fact that a baby is likely to have a tough life minimize this? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  17. I think it is not reasonable to compare the killing of those judged guilty of such capital crimes to the killing of an unborn baby. I think it is not reasonable to say that one must be a pacifist in order to advocate some limitation of abortion. I think the death penalty is not worth the risk of error, and not worth the cost and resources expended during the lengthy process that is applied attempting to prevent error. War is hell. Humans haven't figured a way to avoid it yet. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  18. When do you think abortion should be allowed? Back alley abortions will certainly be fewer if abortion at any time is allowed. If, however, at some point it is a life worthy of protection like any other baby outside the womb, then I think the desire to have fewer back alley abortions cannot outweigh that taking of the life. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  19. I think it is lousy to assign motives for peoples objection to abortion in this way. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  20. Not "just because they go against my morals", but because there are many ways in which the intentional killing of a living human being is considered illegal. If you think it is not a living human worth this protection until the moment of birth, then your position makes sense. Are there any states where fathers have a say in this at all? It all comes down to when it is a life worth protection like any other. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  21. It seems that by saying it should be freedom of choice, that you are saying it should never be legal. Isn't that what "it should be freedom of choice" means? I still haven't seen anyone clearly say that they think abortion should be legal at any time. To say it should not be other people's business, the woman should be the only one to decide, etc. is really avoiding the issue. If you think it should be legal at any time, then why not clearly say so? I think the reason is that people don't like to put it in those terms (abortion to be allowed at any time, for any reason). I think people that are strongly inclined towards the woman's choice are also very likely to also have limits to that choice. I keep bringing this up because I think it is important to clearly define your position, and many will not readily admit that they have limits to their position. I think realizing this is important to coming to a reasonable compromise. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  22. Either you think it should be illegal at some point before birth or you don't. If it should only be the mother's choice, then I think you should say that it should never be illegal. I like how you took one sentence and then put it with another and cut out everything I wrote in the middle. I do think there should be a point when it should be illegal but I don't know when that is. The reason I cut out the stuff in the middle was that I think those two positions are not compatible. The extra dots/periods are there to acknowledge that stuff was edited out. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  23. Either you think it should be illegal at some point before birth or you don't. If it should only be the mother's choice, then I think you should say that it should never be illegal. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  24. It is murder if it is killed one second after birth. I think it is murder for quite a while before birth. Some others might disagree, and think that it should be the choice of the woman at any time before birth. I haven't seen anyone explicitly advocate this position yet. You have mentioned before that the point of quickening (kicking) seems reasonable to you. I would draw the line slightly before this, but either way is a long time before birth, and a long time before the third trimester. To Girlfalldown: Governments certainly do claim the right to kill during wartime. I don't see how this is a useful comparison. Are you saying that abortion should be compared to declaring war? When do you think it should be illegal (I'll stop asking when it should be considered murder, as this can be an inflammatory way of asking the question). People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
  25. When do you think it should be considered murder? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am