AdamWirtz2001

That thing is like 35 years old. What kind of material are they made of? Would it even be jumpable? The listing says it's being sold as a collector's item or display item. Can you jump something that old? Just have a rigger check it out? Any idea what kind of container you can put it in? I have an empty javelin sitting around...

I am intrigued by this idea. I have been quite explicit in my discussions with my family members that I am a big boy and understand the risks of skydiving and would not want anybody sued if I died. I have had that converstaion more than once with my family members. I also sign the waiver (of course). I would like to think that is sufficient, as my family members are generally not the type who would sue anybody and they have participated in "waivered" activities themselves but grief is a powerful thing. I have not thought about videotaping a statement. I would be interested to hear more feedback from others on this. Does it offer more protection for the sport I love and the people involved in it who are my friends? This definitely would hurt your estates ability to sue the DZ if you were to have an accident. However, I can imagine in some jurisdictions, the video would not be admissible. Each state has various rules relating to your last will and testament. A video will is similar to a holographic will, which is not recognized in many states (like here in Illinois). If you really want to lock in the waiver, put a clause in your will to that effect. Dedicate an entire article in your will that says, it is part of your final wishes that your estate be barred from pursuing any and all claims against any drop zone or persons that may have been the proximate cause of your death.

There are rules for that already. If the case is deemed "frivolous," or baseless, the defendants can to a petition for fees/sanctions. The owner of a dz in Nevada once told me that he was spending about $10.00/tandem defending legal action. Although he had (has) never been successfully been sued this demonstrates that no, in fact there are not effective rules for that. The bar for frivolous lawsuits in most states is set far to high. I agree. The rules are there, but far from perfect. The constitution is mostly to blame for that, since it guarantees your day in court. The reality is, litigation is a cost of doing almost any business. This is because people are human, make mistakes, can't resolve their own issues, and are greedy.

at least there's one newbie in here that has his head on his shoulders. and i don't think you're a mechanical engineer or a lawyer. *yawn* Who cares if you believe it? And I'm not too worried if a stranger thinks I have my head on straight. I jump safely and am always open to learning. Maybe others would too if others didn't spend their time pouncing on words people say in an attempt to offer objective viewpoints. I thought this was a thread about a lawsuit? Why is it jacked into a thread about why people don't like lawyers? I bet there are plenty of websites focused on just that topic for you.

Well, my original post stated that I did not know what the cause of the accident was. Therefore, I was merely proposing hypotheticals as to where a lawyer would argue liability was based. Mostly in response to davelepka asking "What part of this is negligence, and what part of this is 'skydiving is dangerous'?” People need to learn to not be so hypersensitive. Reminds me of a great line I heard recently. "Offense is not given, it's only taken." :)

I hope you guys aren't serious. Is it because I'm trying to offer insight as to what the "victim's" argument would be? Or because you think I don't know how an AAD works? Trust me I do, I'm a mechanical engineer and a lawyer.

So if an AAD failed, you would want to sue the instructor? What part of "this is a back up device only. It can, and has failed" do you not understand? For one, I'm merely being devil's advocate. I don't think there was any negligence, especially after someone pointed out that it fired and he became tangled. Sounds to me like he was tumbling at deployment of the reserve. So I would think there is no negligence here. My point was that if the AAD was merely a defective pos because the DZ did not maintain them but represented that they in fact had working AAD's, there would then be a possibility for some liability.

There are rules for that already. If the case is deemed "frivolous," or baseless, the defendants can to a petition for fees/sanctions.

I read through the original incident thread and couldn't find much on the cause of his death. Did his AAD fail? Double Mal? If his AAD was not on or failed or was out of maintenance, I would argue there is some negligence on the part of his instructors and the DZ. If I was this guys attorney I would argue that the DZ has a duty to ensure that their student equipment is safe. If the equipment was not the problem, then I would think the waiver would hold up.

I live in the West suburbs and frequent SDC. I have not been to CSC yet. Also, you are probably nearly as close to Skydive Milwaukee in East Troy, WI. I have been going there the past few weeks because they jump a cessna even in the winter. I have done 7 jumps there in the past 2 weeks. It is a bit of a drive for me (100 minutes), but it's worth it to stay current through the winter. :)

I'm a new jumper too and just bought my gear. This is what I worked out. I was able to purchase a used student rig that my DZ just retired. The rig is a 10ish year old Javelin with a 170 Saber II and a 160 PD reserve. About 800 jumps on the rig. Paid $2400 for it and then bought a new Cypress 2 for it. I also then ordered a new Inifinity container(~$2500 I think). (I wanted to have a container fit just for me). I'll be porting everything into the new container when it comes. Hope that helps.

If you have an up to date log book and a license card filled out with the things that you have done and are still within 30 days of your last jump come on up and we will get you sorted out. If you have gone uncurrent you will need some re-training and you will have to show us that you understand the gear and emergency procedures at the least. We jump all winter so long as the temp is above 15 degrees. Let me know if you're interested. Derrick Sky Knights SPC / Skydive Milwaukee (East Troy, Wi) This rocks. I just got my A-License. I don't care how cold it is, I'll come jump all winter. See you there Derrick.

Hello, I just thought I would introduce myself instead of just lurking on the forums all the time. I did my first tandem 10 years ago and am finally getting into the sport for real. 16 jumps in. Will have AFP completed this weekend and my A license very shortly thereafter. I'm looking forward to a lot of jumps and a lot of fun in the future. I'm starting to look at buying my first rig. I figure each rental jump is just a big waste of money. I'm jumped a vector and a javelin. Sabre 2 canopy in both. I am leaning towards an infinity or odyssey. Any advice? I figure I will buy a new container and then used reserve and main. New AAD too. Thanks for any advice and I look forward to contributing to the forums! Adam