mfnren 0 #1 October 7, 2004 Hey guys & gals I was wondering if I could get some info about learning how to carve on on your back?? Don't wanna end up like this,heheh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #2 October 8, 2004 pardon my observation... but i see you are flying a racer with 80 jumps and trying to carve on your back? please be careful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 0 #3 October 8, 2004 whoa there, who said I was trying to carve on my back?I just asked for some Ideas on learning how to...And my rig has good velcro and I have had it checked out to make sure it was safe for freeflying. rendejo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gordy 0 #4 October 8, 2004 hey dude.... I think weege girl was just concerned that you may not have known the risks of freeflying with non-freefly friendly kit....you would be amazed of the number of folk that don't.... sunny blues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 0 #5 October 8, 2004 Wasn't trying to be a smart ass, Should have been more specific about my request. I realize there are alot of people that don't know if they have freefly friendly gear.. ..was just trying to say, before any conclusions are made, that I have had my rig checked.. rendejo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #6 October 8, 2004 Well, I just made an observation, not trying to be an asshole. Anyway, in my opinion, and from my experience witnessing several severe malfunctions due to non-freefly-friendly gear (velcro riser covers), NO velcro is safe for flying on you head. To answer your question, learning to carve... I'm not very qualified to answer that since I am still learning a lot myself... but learn to fly down the tube on your head, then learn simple movements like forward, backward, and side sliding motions. Then find yourself a good freefly coach and have them take you out and teach you to carve. Most people start out on their heads carving... then learn how to NOT carve... and then they have a tough time re-learning to carve the proper way. Carving is fun. Good luck. Be safe. And find a rig without velcro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 0 #7 October 8, 2004 Is learning how to fly headdown necesarry to start backflying?Or is starting from tracking on your back an option?? I guess having both is probably bestlove sit and stand flying...Not in any hurry by the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #8 October 8, 2004 I am sooo not qualified to answer this. I'd rather a freefly coach answer. I only responded to your post because I was concerned for you. But it sounds as if you are pretty heads up. Good luck and have fun!! Find a good coach like TJ or someone to help you get the basics down so you don't form any bad habits from the start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #9 October 8, 2004 Well if you're just talking about backflying - it would be no different that carving around someone on your belly. If you're talking about a very steep headdown carve, then yes you need to be able to control your headdown movement (speed, foward/back movement, turns). Have you thought about trying to carve in your sit? That would be a good way to start. BTW look at my post in Safety & Training about "Why you should freefly w/ good equipment" d. .______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfnren 0 #10 October 8, 2004 I am still learning how to carve around on my belly as well, and I'm not talking about a steep head down carve...yetthats a long ways off, I have done some carving in sit but I can't just do it whenever,it's just kind of happened, and am wondering how other people do it?? carving advice in general. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #11 October 8, 2004 I think a good basic way is to have someone that can carve face off with you in a sit and begin to carve, if you continue to try to stay faced off w/ him you'll be carving as well. The unintentional carving is called orbiting. When you orbit, typically you're faced off w/ someone but slightly offset to the left or right. As you try to move closer you be moving around them because your body is offset, but you're looking directly at them. You've got to have an ability to have good forward movement. Carving around a stationary object is the same principle but just a little harder to do. So offset your body, look at the person, and try to drive to him/her without changing your offset. Talk to some good belly fliers or instructor about how to carve on your belly. Personally I'd work on belly and sit carving before you get to back flying. Dave. .Like Weegegirl said, get a good FF coach and make a few jumps. It will help. That's TJ on the right side of the Avitar______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfnren 0 #12 October 8, 2004 Sorry, Who's Tj? And whats the avitar? thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #13 October 10, 2004 TJ Landgren (the coach Weegegirl recommended ) is a member of Team Xaos and an excellent freeflier. The Avitar is the picture next to my userid. TJ is the guy w/ the yellow and red rig in the 7way picture, I'm in the center with the black and white rig. D.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #14 October 11, 2004 Sweet. I didn't know TJ was in your avitar. TJ rocks! Great coach! I've had a bunch of good coaches, but he is by far the most relaxing. Awesome flyer. And a nice guy too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #15 October 11, 2004 Here's a bigger picture. Dave .______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfnren 0 #16 October 11, 2004 Hey guys, thanks for your input.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
koz2000 1 #9 October 8, 2004 Well if you're just talking about backflying - it would be no different that carving around someone on your belly. If you're talking about a very steep headdown carve, then yes you need to be able to control your headdown movement (speed, foward/back movement, turns). Have you thought about trying to carve in your sit? That would be a good way to start. BTW look at my post in Safety & Training about "Why you should freefly w/ good equipment" d. .______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 0 #10 October 8, 2004 I am still learning how to carve around on my belly as well, and I'm not talking about a steep head down carve...yetthats a long ways off, I have done some carving in sit but I can't just do it whenever,it's just kind of happened, and am wondering how other people do it?? carving advice in general. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #11 October 8, 2004 I think a good basic way is to have someone that can carve face off with you in a sit and begin to carve, if you continue to try to stay faced off w/ him you'll be carving as well. The unintentional carving is called orbiting. When you orbit, typically you're faced off w/ someone but slightly offset to the left or right. As you try to move closer you be moving around them because your body is offset, but you're looking directly at them. You've got to have an ability to have good forward movement. Carving around a stationary object is the same principle but just a little harder to do. So offset your body, look at the person, and try to drive to him/her without changing your offset. Talk to some good belly fliers or instructor about how to carve on your belly. Personally I'd work on belly and sit carving before you get to back flying. Dave. .Like Weegegirl said, get a good FF coach and make a few jumps. It will help. That's TJ on the right side of the Avitar______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfnren 0 #12 October 8, 2004 Sorry, Who's Tj? And whats the avitar? thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #13 October 10, 2004 TJ Landgren (the coach Weegegirl recommended ) is a member of Team Xaos and an excellent freeflier. The Avitar is the picture next to my userid. TJ is the guy w/ the yellow and red rig in the 7way picture, I'm in the center with the black and white rig. D.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #14 October 11, 2004 Sweet. I didn't know TJ was in your avitar. TJ rocks! Great coach! I've had a bunch of good coaches, but he is by far the most relaxing. Awesome flyer. And a nice guy too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koz2000 1 #15 October 11, 2004 Here's a bigger picture. Dave .______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfnren 0 #16 October 11, 2004 Hey guys, thanks for your input.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
koz2000 1 #11 October 8, 2004 I think a good basic way is to have someone that can carve face off with you in a sit and begin to carve, if you continue to try to stay faced off w/ him you'll be carving as well. The unintentional carving is called orbiting. When you orbit, typically you're faced off w/ someone but slightly offset to the left or right. As you try to move closer you be moving around them because your body is offset, but you're looking directly at them. You've got to have an ability to have good forward movement. Carving around a stationary object is the same principle but just a little harder to do. So offset your body, look at the person, and try to drive to him/her without changing your offset. Talk to some good belly fliers or instructor about how to carve on your belly. Personally I'd work on belly and sit carving before you get to back flying. Dave. .Like Weegegirl said, get a good FF coach and make a few jumps. It will help. That's TJ on the right side of the Avitar______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 0 #12 October 8, 2004 Sorry, Who's Tj? And whats the avitar? thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #13 October 10, 2004 TJ Landgren (the coach Weegegirl recommended ) is a member of Team Xaos and an excellent freeflier. The Avitar is the picture next to my userid. TJ is the guy w/ the yellow and red rig in the 7way picture, I'm in the center with the black and white rig. D.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #14 October 11, 2004 Sweet. I didn't know TJ was in your avitar. TJ rocks! Great coach! I've had a bunch of good coaches, but he is by far the most relaxing. Awesome flyer. And a nice guy too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #15 October 11, 2004 Here's a bigger picture. Dave .______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 0 #16 October 11, 2004 Hey guys, thanks for your input.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
