Numbers used to support US guns in Mexico are wrong (New Study)

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http://wilsoncenter.org/news/docs/Goodman%20Update%20on%20US%20Firearms%20to%20Mexico.pdf

The 90% number used by the left and Mexico has been completely debunked. They were only using the number that was found to be from the US based on a very limited sample of guns that could be traced to the US.

Now it seems other problems have come to light.

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Since the publication of the Mexico Institute’s first report on the issue, there is some new data and information on the specific problems. According to new statistics provided by the U.S. and Mexican governments, Mexico has submitted a total of 78,194 firearm trace requests to the United States from FY 2007 to FY 2010. 34 During approximtely the same time frame, President Calderon said Mexico had seized about 90,000 arms.35 Looking at these numbers, it may appear Mexico is providing ATF with information on a large number of the firearms it has seized since the start of the alderon Administration, but ATF now reports that tens of thousands of the trace requests are duplicates. 36 In some cases, ATF has received information on the same firearm up to five times as Mexican police, a crime lab, the military, and the Attorney General’s office all write down information on the same firearm, and the individual in the Attorney General’s office in Mexico City submits trace requests on all of them. 37

When the ATF asks to see the weapons captured to see if the ATF can help:

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To improve the timeliness and accuracy of the trace requests, ATF officials stationed in Mexico or along the U.S. southwest border have sought to physically inspect firearms at crime scenes or at Mexican military storage facilities, but have had limited success, mostly because Mexican officials or the Mexican Attorney General’s office prevented such access, due in part to national sensitivities and lack of trust.

In addition the ATF seems to be ignoring a good number of straw purchases:

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As a result, ATF officials have said there is often an unwritten, minimum threshold of 10 to 20 illegal trafficked firearms and one firearm used in a crime before a U.S. Attorney will accept the case, which appears to have led to the problems with ATF’s Fast and Furious Operation.

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U.S. military officials also report that more than 50 percent of the military‐type arms such as mortars, hand grenades, and grenade launchers discovered in OCGs caches have crossed into Mexico most recently from Central America

Mortars, hand grenades and launchers are not really available in the US and are clearly coming from the Southern Mexico border. What makes anyone think that if they can get grenades over the Southern border that they will not be able to get a handgun over that border as well.

1. I think that the penalty for running a gun should increase to at least the same penalty as drug running (one year vs, 10 years)

2.The ATF should not allow 10-20 instances before they investigate and make an arrest.

3. Mexican officials should allow the US to physically inspect the guns they claim come from the US

4. Mexican officials should create a system where one agency sends the requests in and duplicate requests should only be counted once.

I disagree with the studies request for multiple sales being recorded. There is nothing preventing a shop from calling the ATF about a suspicious person already. And the information is at the shop already as well.

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There is something seriously f'ed up in the formatting of the material you quoted. It's like they're using an alternate form of "space." I'm going to edit it to see if I can make it not f up the formatting of the web site.

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Man, that was seriously f'ed up. It's fixed now.

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It's fixed now.

Thanks... If it helps explain it at all, it was copy/pasted from the PDF I linked...

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I would bet that the majority of he guns in old Mejico are from the Euro-Commie nations.

Just a hunch.

Don't go away mad....just go away!

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I would bet that the majority of he guns in old Mejico are from the Euro-Commie nations.

Just a hunch.

Yeah, Europe is overflowing with those Eur-Commie nations!