A Snowball's Chance in Hell Chance to Repeal the Healthcare Reform Law Before the Election

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But, in case you're interested...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=176405

I've met Rep. Steve King of Iowa. He's a business savvy guy who's done a fair amount of hard work in the private sector. I personally think he's been in office long enough (since 2003), but since we're politically aligned, I personally don't characterize him as one of the problem children in Congress.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I'm curious why they'd even use that as a strategy?

Wouldn't it make more sense from the Republican point of view to allow it continue the way it is simply using scare tactics into November and then can use it again in 2012?

There's simply no "proof" it's screwed up anything until after 2012 anyway, but the scare tactics sure would be useful on their side to continue to rally the troops.

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But, in case you're interested...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=176405

I've met Rep. Steve King of Iowa. He's a business savvy guy who's done a fair amount of hard work in the private sector. I personally think he's been in office long enough (since 2003), but since we're politically aligned, I personally don't characterize him as one of the problem children in Congress.

Oh I see, the neo-nons want a complete overhaul of congress since they are in the tiny minority, as in all incumbents out, yet it's ok to leave some of so-called non-problem kids. Yea, why disguise your, "unelect all dems" agenda with, "unelect all incumbents" when we know you and yours really mean just the dems? Did you guys really think you were fooling anyone with you, "all incumbents out" BS?

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I'm curious why they'd even use that as a strategy?

Wouldn't it make more sense from the Republican point of view to allow it continue the way it is simply using scare tactics into November and then can use it again in 2012?

There's simply no "proof" it's screwed up anything until after 2012 anyway, but the scare tactics sure would be useful on their side to continue to rally the troops.

That's very true, but they've had their asses kicked, Biden-style for the last 2 years+ that they need a win. Besides, they can always scare people into thinking the enemy is plotting, so stay vigillant.

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Yea, King isn't a problem, he's a real gem: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/obama-favors-black-americans-iowa-rep-steve-king-says/

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican, said Monday that President Obama favors black Americans over whites -- and showed it when he sided with an African American Harvard professor after a confrontation last year with a white police officer.


Ladies and gents, the new David Duke is here; Rep Steve King.

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Yea, King isn't a problem, he's a real gem: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/obama-favors-black-americans-iowa-rep-steve-king-says/

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican, said Monday that President Obama favors black Americans over whites -- and showed it when he sided with an African American Harvard professor after a confrontation last year with a white police officer.


Ladies and gents, the new David Duke is here; Rep Steve King.

He is my rep
I will vote for him again despite your attempt to mis-characterize him

If you doubt his (Kings)statement just look at the Obama DOJ actions. Look at his latest apointed Medicare Czar. He is standing by that statement by the way!

Hard to argue with deeds huh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But, in case you're interested...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=176405

I've met Rep. Steve King of Iowa. He's a business savvy guy who's done a fair amount of hard work in the private sector. I personally think he's been in office long enough (since 2003), but since we're politically aligned, I personally don't characterize him as one of the problem children in Congress.

Oh I see, the neo-nons want a complete overhaul of congress since they are in the tiny minority, as in all incumbents out, yet it's ok to leave some of so-called non-problem kids. Yea, why disguise your, "unelect all dems" agenda with, "unelect all incumbents" when we know you and yours really mean just the dems? Did you guys really think you were fooling anyone with you, "all incumbents out" BS?

Reading is fundamental.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I'm curious why they'd even use that as a strategy?

Wouldn't it make more sense from the Republican point of view to allow it continue the way it is simply using scare tactics into November and then can use it again in 2012?

There's simply no "proof" it's screwed up anything until after 2012 anyway, but the scare tactics sure would be useful on their side to continue to rally the troops.

I tried to read the HHS regulation about what's grandfathered in/out under this legislation. Aside from the gobbledygook, one area that is clear is the table of estimates as to who will be able to keep their plans, it's very revealing (this is page 17 of the report, page 34553 of the Federal Register):

TABLE 3—ESTIMATES OF THE CUMULATIVE PERCENTAGE OF EMPLOYER PLANS RELINQUISHING THEIR GRANDFATHERED

STATUS, 2011–2013

.................... 2011 2012 2013

Low-end Estimate

Small Employer Plans  20%  36%  49%

Large Employer Plans  13%  24%  34%

All Employer Plans    15%  28%  39%

Mid-range Estimate

Small Employer Plans  30%  51%  66%

Large Employer Plans  18%  33%  45%

All Employer Plans    22%  38%  51%

High-end Estimate

Small Employer Plans  42%  66%  80%

Large Employer Plans  29%  50%  64%

All Employer Plans    33%  55%  69%

Notes: Represents full-time employees.

Small Employers=3 to 99 employees;

Large Employers=100+ employees.

All three scenarios assume that two percent of all large employer plans and six percent

of small employer plans would relinquish grandfathered status due to a change in issuer.

Estimates are based on enrollment in PPOs.

Source: Kaiser/RHET Employer Survey, 2008–2009

No matter how you slice this, a huge number of employer health plans are NOT going to be allowed to stay (so much for the promise, "If you like your insurance plan, you get to keep that plan."). You'll notice this hits small businesses the worst.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Yea, King isn't a problem, he's a real gem: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/obama-favors-black-americans-iowa-rep-steve-king-says/

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican, said Monday that President Obama favors black Americans over whites -- and showed it when he sided with an African American Harvard professor after a confrontation last year with a white police officer.


Ladies and gents, the new David Duke is here; Rep Steve King.

He is my rep
I will vote for him again despite your attempt to mis-characterize him

If you doubt his (Kings)statement just look at the Obama DOJ actions. Look at his latest apointed Medicare Czar. He is standing by that statement by the way!

Hard to argue with deeds huh

Recess appointments are provided for in Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, and have been used by most presidents.

For example: Reagan made 243 recess appointments during his 2 terms.
G.H.W. Bush: 77 during 1 term.
Clinton: 140 during 2 terms.
George W. Bush: 171 during 2 terms.

Quite simply, it's part of the process of balances of power and politics (in this case between the presidency and the Congress) that the Founding Fathers quite deliberately, and somewhat intricately, wove into the Constitution.

By the way, the new Medicare Director, Donald Berwick, M.D., who is white, has 3 Harvard degrees, including his M.D., so I'm not really worried about his qualifications. Yes, he reflects Obama's politics (which I recognize conservatives disagree with), but that's the prerogative exercised by every president.

And so are recess appointments. Any US citizen who doesn't like that is more than welcome to petition the Congress to begin the process of amending the Constitution.

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Dude, you f'-ed up our screens.

Sorry....I'll fix it...

...edited....

There now, better?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Sorry....I'll fix it...

...edited....

There now, better?

Sorry to Hi-jack, but how did you mess it up and what was the fix?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Dude, you f'-ed up our screens.

Sorry....I'll fix it...

...edited....

There now, better?

No. Curse you.

Edit: it's a little better, but still extended. Thanks.

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Yea, King isn't a problem, he's a real gem: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/obama-favors-black-americans-iowa-rep-steve-king-says/

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican, said Monday that President Obama favors black Americans over whites -- and showed it when he sided with an African American Harvard professor after a confrontation last year with a white police officer.


Ladies and gents, the new David Duke is here; Rep Steve King.

He is my rep
I will vote for him again despite your attempt to mis-characterize him

If you doubt his (Kings)statement just look at the Obama DOJ actions. Look at his latest apointed Medicare Czar. He is standing by that statement by the way!

Hard to argue with deeds huh

Recess appointments are provided for in Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, and have been used by most presidents.

For example: Reagan made 243 recess appointments during his 2 terms.
G.H.W. Bush: 77 during 1 term.
Clinton: 140 during 2 terms.
George W. Bush: 171 during 2 terms.

Quite simply, it's part of the process of balances of power and politics (in this case between the presidency and the Congress) that the Founding Fathers quite deliberately, and somewhat intricately, wove into the Constitution.

By the way, the new Medicare Director, Donald Berwick, M.D., who is white, has 3 Harvard degrees, including his M.D., so I'm not really worried about his qualifications. Yes, he reflects Obama's politics (which I recognize conservatives disagree with), but that's the prerogative exercised by every president.

And so are recess appointments. Any US citizen who doesn't like that is more than welcome to petition the Congress to begin the process of amending the Constitution.

My reference was to who more than the process. A strong supported of socialist redistribution. Even many in his own party do not like the guy and most likely would not not got confirmed
Go figure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Dude, you f'-ed up our screens.

Sorry....I'll fix it...

...edited....

There now, better?

No. Curse you.

Edit: it's a little better, but still extended. Thanks.

That's gotta be your settings then...looks fine on my 14" screen laptop...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Yea, King isn't a problem, he's a real gem: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/obama-favors-black-americans-iowa-rep-steve-king-says/

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican, said Monday that President Obama favors black Americans over whites -- and showed it when he sided with an African American Harvard professor after a confrontation last year with a white police officer.


Ladies and gents, the new David Duke is here; Rep Steve King.

He is my rep
I will vote for him again despite your attempt to mis-characterize him

If you doubt his (Kings)statement just look at the Obama DOJ actions. Look at his latest apointed Medicare Czar. He is standing by that statement by the way!

Hard to argue with deeds huh

Recess appointments are provided for in Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, and have been used by most presidents.

For example: Reagan made 243 recess appointments during his 2 terms.
G.H.W. Bush: 77 during 1 term.
Clinton: 140 during 2 terms.
George W. Bush: 171 during 2 terms.

Quite simply, it's part of the process of balances of power and politics (in this case between the presidency and the Congress) that the Founding Fathers quite deliberately, and somewhat intricately, wove into the Constitution.

By the way, the new Medicare Director, Donald Berwick, M.D., who is white, has 3 Harvard degrees, including his M.D., so I'm not really worried about his qualifications. Yes, he reflects Obama's politics (which I recognize conservatives disagree with), but that's the prerogative exercised by every president.

And so are recess appointments. Any US citizen who doesn't like that is more than welcome to petition the Congress to begin the process of amending the Constitution.

My reference was to who more than the process. A strong supported of socialist redistribution. Even many in his own party do not like the guy and most likely would not not gotted confirmed
Go figure

Well, I'll grant you this much: Rep. King certainly does reflect his constituents.

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Yea, King isn't a problem, he's a real gem: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/obama-favors-black-americans-iowa-rep-steve-king-says/

Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican, said Monday that President Obama favors black Americans over whites -- and showed it when he sided with an African American Harvard professor after a confrontation last year with a white police officer.


Ladies and gents, the new David Duke is here; Rep Steve King.

He is my rep
I will vote for him again despite your attempt to mis-characterize him

If you doubt his (Kings)statement just look at the Obama DOJ actions. Look at his latest apointed Medicare Czar. He is standing by that statement by the way!

Hard to argue with deeds huh

Recess appointments are provided for in Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, and have been used by most presidents.

For example: Reagan made 243 recess appointments during his 2 terms.
G.H.W. Bush: 77 during 1 term.
Clinton: 140 during 2 terms.
George W. Bush: 171 during 2 terms.

Quite simply, it's part of the process of balances of power and politics (in this case between the presidency and the Congress) that the Founding Fathers quite deliberately, and somewhat intricately, wove into the Constitution.

By the way, the new Medicare Director, Donald Berwick, M.D., who is white, has 3 Harvard degrees, including his M.D., so I'm not really worried about his qualifications. Yes, he reflects Obama's politics (which I recognize conservatives disagree with), but that's the prerogative exercised by every president.

And so are recess appointments. Any US citizen who doesn't like that is more than welcome to petition the Congress to begin the process of amending the Constitution.

My reference was to who more than the process. A strong supported of socialist redistribution. Even many in his own party do not like the guy and most likely would not not got confirmed
Go figure

Well, I'll grant you this much: Rep. King certainly does reflect his constituents.

At least one of them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln