Lucky... 0 #26 September 21, 2009 Rick's a cut-n-paste cowboy. 2 people have addressed all your cut-n-pastings, yet no response Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 September 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote2. Followed a domestic custom with a dictator and US best friend Bullshit - where was the bow to the Queen, then? QuoteQuote12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. Mike, your priorities are typical of conservatives, worry about other's customs, yet let the substantive things go; pure misdirection. If you jack up the debt, decimate the country, then worry about silly tradition as tho that's the important thing you feel correct. Speaking of misdirection....where is anything about the debt or the (gasp) 'decimation of the country' in my reply? Point them out for me, will you?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #28 September 21, 2009 Quote1. Offended the Queen of England. - She wasn't offended but how is this substantive? 2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. - How is this substantive? 3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega. - For what? How is this substantive? 4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek. - How is this substantive? 5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia. - Endorsed for what? How is this substantive? 6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras. - Sided in theory or sent troops? 7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons. - We should have attacked them, the ME is too peaceful. I know it's foreign to conservatives, but attacking/invading s/b last, talking first. 8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions. - Starting with Bush and many Republican supporters. That act was systemic, it passed 75-24 and of the no votes 15 were Repub, so only slightly more R's voted no than D's. Not to mention Bush signed it. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14190.html Your point establishes it was systemic. Also, if you disagree then you must disclose an alternate plan. 9. Expanded the bailouts. - As opposed to let the country fall flat? And the GDP rose from -6.4 the 1st quarter to -1.0 the second, s/b well + by the 3rd. How is the bailout so bad? 10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian. - No he didn't - show's desperation on your part. Again, how is this substantive? 11. Doubled our national debt. - Where, other than Hanity and Limbaugh, do you get your data? Our national debt when Bush left was around 11.5T, now it's 12.1 or so. Fuzzy mnath much? 12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. - Yea, and we're flat out of missles, darnit. We virtually match teh world in military spending but it's not enough for Rick. Rest assured that with Iraq/Afghanistan we evceed the rest of teh world. 13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors. - Released to whom? Released what? Is this about Guantanamo torture tactics and processes? If so, I think the enemy knows it already. 14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat. - OK, and what should he do? Post what your referring to, but he's not a babysitter. 15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation." - Post what you're talking about. 16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters." - Post how this is relevant? Let's talk terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. Shall we talk Japan Aug 6 & 9, 1945 creating terror to achieve that political agenda? Hiro Hito agreed to a conditional surrender, not good enough. Even after the bombing it was still conditional, the emporor was to keep his thrown. 17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership. - Are you fucking kidding? http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings/2009 We moved from 97 to 83 this year, but of course that's for pussies, if they mock us we just blow them up. 18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us. It wasn't? A gun dealer in AZ provided like 1300 AK's to him as a starter. Again, so what, what does it change? IS ddenial before investigation always the best response? 19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce. - How so? WHat's teh harm of whatever you allege? 20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States. - Where is this ellusive freedom for which you refer? As well, what about the father from the east coast who's wife took the child to Brazil I think it is and then dies, now her new husband is trying to claim the American's son and winning so far. This is Elian Gonzo in reverse, but I'm sure you think he belongs here, right? So do I, just as Elian belongs with hsi surviving custodial parent. 21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses. - So freeing the ship captain justifies torture how??????? 22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers. - http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/27/2009-04-27_plane_stupid_mayor_bloomberg_outraged_over_military_photoop_involving_lowflying_.html Louis Caldera, the director of the White House military office who sent Air Force One and the fighter jet on an "aerial photo mission," got slammed by an angry President Obama. "I approved a mission over New York," Caldera said in a hastily prepared statement. "I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused." OK, so how is that Obama's fault? He learned of it and slammed Caldera, how is it his fault? 23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims. - Yes, as they are one of the more militant countries. Hell, even Bush told tehm to quit stirring shit, the shit that we have to go fix. Israel is not saint. 24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel. - Post details. 25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process. - AKA bailed them out so they could stay afloat, our #4 product is autos, kinda important. I could see your cut-n-pasted list if Obama and congress did not: Obama lets US #4 product die without aid.....get real dude. 26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year. - Which and what is the purpose and the goal? 27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. ---> Death squad - fodder from idiots for idiots ---> $1 T - they say 850B, far less than the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars ---> cut pay of physicians - that's conjecture, but would it be so bad if 300k, 500k/yr doc's pay wer cut? ---> Strpi seniors of medicare - not hardly, nothing will change ---> Rationed care - like we have now ala HOM's? It will open up medical care to all, might it then take longer to see a doc? Probably. ---> government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't - That's already done, why would you object? I realize you didn't complie this list, you cut-n-paste it, but let's see if you comprehensively answr all of my comments. I highly doubt you will. You just pretty much did everything I was going to do wtih this, so +1 from me!!Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #29 September 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote2. Followed a domestic custom with a dictator and US best friend Bullshit - where was the bow to the Queen, then? QuoteQuote12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. Mike, your priorities are typical of conservatives, worry about other's customs, yet let the substantive things go; pure misdirection. If you jack up the debt, decimate the country, then worry about silly tradition as tho that's the important thing you feel correct. Speaking of misdirection....where is anything about the debt or the (gasp) 'decimation of the country' in my reply? Point them out for me, will you? Point being, your leaders can fuck teh entire country up and you care if he bows when appropriate. My leaders need to be substantively focused. Obama is FAAAAAAAAAAAAR less offensive than was GWB, in fact, most or all of the world likes him except OBL.....can you say that about your regime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #30 September 21, 2009 QuoteYou just pretty much did everything I was going to do wtih this, so +1 from me!! I don't think we'll get a response from the cut-n-paste cowboy. If we do it will just be sarcasm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #31 September 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. My my you are a good republican, the GOP is proud of you. I have two personal invitations for Bill Clinton's inaugrual ball (no kidding). Does that make me a good little democrat? Nope, you are just a pawn of the right forwarding a hazy mixture of truth and bullshit trying to tar the current administration. This is a smear tactic typical of politics these days on both sides of the house. It is the 'throw enough mud some will stick' way of doing business. Fools fall for it, and unfortunately there seem to be a lot of them around. Picking top aides who had not paid income taxes, what the fuck was he thinking, or did he even care? Nope, this administration has done enough to tar and feather itself already. In particular, the older citizens who voted for BHO are in mourning with a large hangover. Every little trick to deceive the American public has backfired to include the "no illegals will be elgible for the new healthcare". Remember the plan to force wounded vets to use their own health insurance companies; nice idea huh? Do you really think every Washington protestor was duped by the GOP? People with no political affiliation can see for themselves, and they are being shouted down for asking questions. Anyone questioning the President is a racist, returning vets are potential terrorists, etc, and the list grows. The "smear' will go on, and there will be a trickle of rats deserting a sinking ship. Of course, some will be asked to go. No I don't think every Obama dissenter is wrong, he has made mistakes and screwed some things up, and there are some valid points in the list you have. What you did however was blindly (without any injection of thought or application of intelligence) copy a junk email full of crap (and some valid points) instead of engaging in intelligent debate, and that is the actions of a right wing pawn bent on destroying him. You tarred yourself here. Apply some thought next time. I don't think so. Even his own party is waiting for substance intead of talk. It won't take a right-wing pawn to destroy him.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #32 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote2. Followed a domestic custom with a dictator and US best friend Bullshit - where was the bow to the Queen, then? QuoteQuote12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. Mike, your priorities are typical of conservatives, worry about other's customs, yet let the substantive things go; pure misdirection. If you jack up the debt, decimate the country, then worry about silly tradition as tho that's the important thing you feel correct. Speaking of misdirection....where is anything about the debt or the (gasp) 'decimation of the country' in my reply? Point them out for me, will you? Point being, your leaders can fuck teh entire country up and you care if he bows when appropriate. My leaders need to be substantively focused. Obama is FAAAAAAAAAAAAR less offensive than was GWB, in fact, most or all of the world likes him except OBL.....can you say that about your regime? Like HIM? Ya, like a comedian. They are (for the most part) laughing at him"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #33 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote2. Followed a domestic custom with a dictator and US best friend Bullshit - where was the bow to the Queen, then? QuoteQuote12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. Mike, your priorities are typical of conservatives, worry about other's customs, yet let the substantive things go; pure misdirection. If you jack up the debt, decimate the country, then worry about silly tradition as tho that's the important thing you feel correct. Speaking of misdirection....where is anything about the debt or the (gasp) 'decimation of the country' in my reply? Point them out for me, will you? Point being, your leaders can fuck teh entire country up and you care if he bows when appropriate. My leaders need to be substantively focused. Obama is FAAAAAAAAAAAAR less offensive than was GWB, in fact, most or all of the world likes him except OBL.....can you say that about your regime? Like HIM? Ya, like a comedian. They are (for the most part) laughing at him Obama had small shoes to fill, he's loved as compared to Bush, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #34 September 22, 2009 Quote Obama had small shoes to fill, he's loved as compared to Bush, Isn't being 'loved' by politicians kind of like being 'respected' by the other inmates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #35 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote Obama had small shoes to fill, he's loved as compared to Bush, Isn't being 'loved' by politicians kind of like being 'respected' by the other inmates? I think Obama is loved by the world, rather than just by political leaders of other countries. The Global Peace Index dropped us from 97 to 83 in 1 year, meaning we're less volent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #36 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Obama had small shoes to fill, he's loved as compared to Bush, Isn't being 'loved' by politicians kind of like being 'respected' by the other inmates? I think Obama is loved by the world, rather than just by political leaders of other countries. The Global Peace Index dropped us from 97 to 83 in 1 year, meaning we're less volent. Not gonna argue with you there, but I'm thinking views of him are more positive outside the US than inside the US. I'm betting part of it has to do with the "anybody but Bush" thing also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #37 September 22, 2009 Quote1. Offended the Queen of England. - She wasn't offended but how is this substantive?...............It is substantive that he should have known better being the educated man he pretends to be. He lacked basic protocol like the caliber of people that surround him. 2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. - How is this substantive?......... Only to show his submission to Islam; nothing short. 3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega. - For what? How is this substantive?.........You don't praise enemies of the United States unless you want to surrender. He was representing himself and not the American people. 4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek. - How is this substantive?............Like I said Hugo must have smelled too good to pass up, and they are brothers-in-socialism. Once again, he was representing himself. 5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia. - Endorsed for what? How is this substantive?..........Going out of his way to glorify another socialist. Our socialist president has forgotten that capitalism has served us well for the last 200+ years. We have had our moments, but we have prevailed. 6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras. - Sided in theory or sent troops?.........Of couse he sided with two dictators. He has dreams of joing them. Uncle Fidel's prisons are full of people who spoke out against him (if he didn't shoot them). Real nice thugs for the POTUS to hang out with. Wonder why he chided Honduras for kicking out a crocked president? Simple: he is afraid it might happen to him. 7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons. - We should have attacked them, the ME is too peaceful. I know it's foreign to conservatives, but attacking/invading s/b last, talking first. ............. Our former presidents did nothing to stop North Korea and Iran, and look at what we face today (think there is no threat?). Obama has no substance like them. He is more interestied in presenting himself as an Islamic savior. 8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions. - Starting with Bush and many Republican supporters. That act was systemic, it passed 75-24 and of the no votes 15 were Repub, so only slightly more R's voted no than D's. Not to mention Bush signed it. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14190.html Your point establishes it was systemic...................BHO has no idea how much he gave and to whom. Bush had his mini bailouts and he warned of the big fall. Clinton slept while corrupt Republicans changed the banking laws, only he was corrupted himself when he forced the banks to give loans to people who did not have a pot to piss in. Also, if you disagree then you must disclose an alternate plan......................ANS Why not reenstate old banking laws for starters. Keep investment bankers away from mortage lenders. Hold people accountable with jail terms. 9. Expanded the bailouts. - As opposed to let the country fall flat? And the GDP rose from -6.4 the 1st quarter to -1.0 the second, s/b well + by the 3rd. How is the bailout so bad?................... Bailouts are bad when the government takes over companies and hands them to future voters: UAW. 10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian. - No he didn't - show's desperation on your part. Again, how is this substantive?........... The man has no couth or protocol when he opens his mouth without the prompter. Don't you agree? 11. Doubled our national debt. - Where, other than Hanity and Limbaugh, do you get your data? Our national debt when Bush left was around 11.5T, now it's 12.1 or so. Fuzzy mnath much? .....................You have something valid. He may not have doubled our national debt since his healthcare plan will fail. 12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. - Yea, and we're flat out of missles, darnit. We virtually match teh world in military spending but it's not enough for Rick. Rest assured that with Iraq/Afghanistan we evceed the rest of teh world...................The European missile defense is dead, and a lot of conservatives believe this is a move in the right direction. 13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors. - Released to whom? Released what? Is this about Guantanamo torture tactics and processes? If so, I think the enemy knows it already...............No doubt, you have never served in the military so the disclosure of this information to the public would not bother you. 14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat. - OK, and what should he do? Post what your referring to, but he's not a babysitter........................No, he is not a babysitter, he holds the highest office of the land. He is incapable of selecting honest cabinet menbers. His thug background shows. It's pretty basic, you don't let the fox in the hen house. 15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation." - Post what you're talking about...................You need to read more. This was discussed a longtime ago on speakers corner. Vets like myself, are potential terrorists according to the Dep of Homeland Security. 16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters." - Post how this is relevant? Let's talk terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. Shall we talk Japan Aug 6 & 9, 1945 creating terror to achieve that political agenda? Hiro Hito agreed to a conditional surrender, not good enough. Even after the bombing it was still conditional, the emporor was to keep his thrown.........................ANS: Wrong. What fuck has Japan got to do with this? You are an insult to all the brave men and women who fought WWII. Remember Pearl Harbor? Remember the number of casualities we would have suffered had we invaded Japan. Thankfully, it was a democrat who ok'd the massive bombing raids and the use of those beautiful nukes. He saved a lot of American lives. 17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership. - Are you fucking kidding? http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings/2009 We moved from 97 to 83 this year, but of course that's for pussies, if they mock us we just blow them up...........Just what did he do then? 18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us. It wasn't? A gun dealer in AZ provided like 1300 AK's to him as a starter. Again, so what, what does it change? IS ddenial before investigation always the best response? .......................... So, a gun dealer in AZ provided 1300 AK's to the President of Mexico. What's your point? If he broke the law, he should be prosecuted. Are you implying that the Pres of Mexico made a profit by selling them to drug dealer friends? Don't follow you on this one. 19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce. - How so? WHat's teh harm of whatever you allege? ANS..........Simple, it's ACORN. 20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States. - Where is this ellusive freedom for which you refer? As well, what about the father from the east coast who's wife took the child to Brazil I think it is and then dies, now her new husband is trying to claim the American's son and winning so far. This is Elian Gonzo in reverse, but I'm sure you think he belongs here, right? So do I, just as Elian belongs with hsi surviving custodial parent.............. Bet you a beer Elian defects when he is 18. 21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses. - So freeing the ship captain justifies torture how??????? ................ BHO will torture his own terrorists uder the Patroit Act, an old hold-over from Bush. He couldn't have been a little more original with his own? 22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers. - http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/27/2009-04-27_plane_stupid_mayor_bloomberg_outraged_over_military_photoop_involving_lowflying_.html Louis Caldera, the director of the White House military office who sent Air Force One and the fighter jet on an "aerial photo mission," got slammed by an angry President Obama. "I approved a mission over New York," Caldera said in a hastily prepared statement. "I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused." OK, so how is that Obama's fault? He learned of it and slammed Caldera, how is it his fault?...............Remember me? I just cut and paste. Obama did slam him only after a lot of pressure. 23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims. - Yes, as they are one of the more militant countries. Hell, even Bush told tehm to quit stirring shit, the shit that we have to go fix. Israel is not saint..............BHO is just promoting himself to his terrorist friends when in fact, Israel will remain one of our stongest allies. Kind of hurts, don't it. 24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel. - Post details......... Jimmy Carter only has two friends who don't laugh at him. You guessed right; it's North Korea, and Hamas. 25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process. - AKA bailed them out so they could stay afloat, our #4 product is autos, kinda important. I could see your cut-n-pasted list if Obama and congress did not: Obama lets US #4 product die without aid.....get real dude.................. Union votes again. 26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year. - Which and what is the purpose and the goal?.........You tell me. You're the emperor's defender. 27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. ---> Death squad - fodder from idiots for idiots ---> $1 T - they say 850B, far less than the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars ---> cut pay of physicians - that's conjecture, but would it be so bad if 300k, 500k/yr doc's pay wer cut? ---> Strpi seniors of medicare - not hardly, nothing will change ---> Rationed care - like we have now ala HOM's? It will open up medical care to all, might it then take longer to see a doc? Probably. ---> government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't - That's already done, why would you object? ............. ANSWER: ................ They fucked up Amtrack, Social Security, Medicare, the US Postal Service, etc. The majority of Americans do not want the government to control their healthcare. Really, you need to attend a tea party, and talk to the grass root population. You might even find some as smart as you. I realize you didn't complie this list, you cut-n-paste it, but let's see if you comprehensively answr all of my comments. I highly doubt you will. ANSWER............ .....................................................Sorry I'm late. Had a dental appointment today.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #38 September 22, 2009 QuoteNot gonna argue with you there, but I'm thinking views of him are more positive outside the US than inside the US. And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. QuoteI'm betting part of it has to do with the "anybody but Bush" thing also. Bush didn't get 45% last November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #39 September 22, 2009 Quote And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. Today isn't last November. Rasmussen has his numbers at 50 disapprove / 49 approve today. I think you have an annoying desire to convince everyone of your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #40 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. Today isn't last November. Rasmussen has his numbers at 50 disapprove / 49 approve today. I think you have an annoying desire to convince everyone of your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority. And the PEW has him at 55+ 33- http://people-press.org/report/545/obama-approval-steady As for my alleged (by you) intellect. Just curious how you get that. I like data, that doesn't make me an egghead, it just means I like an empirical approach, as data doesn't lie. People will interpret data to create lies, but that's why you get a lot of objective data that hopefully singles out an independent variable. So to you if I love Jesus I'm humble, if I love the empirical approach I'm a self-anointed genius? Ridiculous, quit the ad hominem and provide me that data that shows tax cuts leading to + economic times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #41 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #43 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again? "Defense = first strike?" - A label and actual functioning are different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again? "Defense = first strike?" - A label and actual functioning are different. So prove your point - as with dreamdancer, just because you SAY it's a first strike system doesn't make it so.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #45 September 22, 2009 QuoteSorry I'm late. Had a dental appointment today. No prob, glad you addressed them. Quote1. Offended the Queen of England. - She wasn't offended but how is this substantive?...............It is substantive that he should have known better being the educated man he pretends to be. He lacked basic protocol like the caliber of people that surround him. OK, is this a diplomatic crisis? Are they going to boycott us? I think the Queen love Obama and family. Again, is there substantive anything here or desperation to find fault in nothing? How about this: ‘In January 1992, while at a formal dinner in Japan, then president George Bush became ill, vomiting on the Prime Minister of Japan, http://www.moonbuggy.org/archive/2007/03/19/george-bush-sr-throws-up-on-japanese-prime-minister/ I guess Japan has since written us off. Find something that matters, it makes a person look desperate to argue rhetoric. Quote2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. - How is this substantive?......... Only to show his submission to Islam; nothing short. Oh God, is the start of an argument that Obama is a terrorist. The proposition of a conspiracy theory is the responsibility of the person proposing it. As well, see #1. Quote3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega. - For what? How is this substantive?.........You don't praise enemies of the United States unless you want to surrender. He was representing himself and not the American people. A asked for details. I realize you didn't originate the list, but you posted it, make your case, as in; what happened? Quote4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek. - How is this substantive?............Like I said Hugo must have smelled too good to pass up, and they are brothers-in-socialism. Once again, he was representing himself. We should mend a lot of relationships, esp that of Venezuela. Again, you've posted nothing again. Make a case, Obama allegedly kissed Chavez on the cheek, it must be a custom, so how can you chide him for following custom when you chide him for breaking custom above. You are just desperate to find something and the authors of your list are just that. Quote5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia. - Endorsed for what? How is this substantive?..........Going out of his way to glorify another socialist. Our socialist president has forgotten that capitalism has served us well for the last 200+ years. We have had our moments, but we have prevailed. First, you're demonizing Socialism, or even quasi-Socialism, that is just your opinion, don't act as if there is no other way than exclusionist American Capitalism. As for a moment in Capitalism, we are the biggest debtor nation in the history of the world, so we are in that moment as a result of the biggest purveyors of your brand of Capitalism: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Still say it's the best system? Oh, and so ya feel real good about exclusionist American Capitalism, the top 20% of the country hold 93% of all cash and 84% of all cash and asset. Sounds to me like.....Communism in the aspect of distribution of wealth, but I'm just using data so what do I know? Quote6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras. - Sided in theory or sent troops?.........Of couse he sided with two dictators. He has dreams of joing them. Uncle Fidel's prisons are full of people who spoke out against him (if he didn't shoot them). Real nice thugs for the POTUS to hang out with. Wonder why he chided Honduras for kicking out a crocked president? Simple: he is afraid it might happen to him. At a 55% approval rating I don't see Obama too worried about being impeached; that's deluded. Again, this wasn't your list, but make your argument as to why Obama should not have sided with Chavez and Castro, if he did at all. Establish the argument instead of the same drivel that I get the feeling you don't understand. Quote7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons. - We should have attacked them, the ME is too peaceful. I know it's foreign to conservatives, but attacking/invading s/b last, talking first. ............. Our former presidents did nothing to stop North Korea and Iran, and look at what we face today (think there is no threat?). Obama has no substance like them. He is more interestied in presenting himself as an Islamic savior. Or providing a diplomatic solution. How have militant solutions worked out? Korea, VN, all the ME stuff for the major wars, and a bunch of micro-wars, haven't you learned these little countries like to pull us into these actions so we kill their innocents as well as their thugs and waste money and put them on the map? ME radicals live for dying in Jihad, why be a bunch of idiots and get sucked into the mess? So tell me, you still have provided no solution, tell me, what do we do when NK and Iran want a Nuclear program? Do we boycott, threaten, blow them up? Tell me. And this last war(s), how are they going? > $1 Trillion later and >4k deaths, how's it going? What have we done other than make a region dependent upon us, requiring us to stay longer? I realize your party thinks war first, but mine thinks war last. Quote8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions. - Starting with Bush and many Republican supporters. That act was systemic, it passed 75-24 and of the no votes 15 were Repub, so only slightly more R's voted no than D's. Not to mention Bush signed it. http://www.politico.com/...ries/1008/14190.html Your point establishes it was systemic...................BHO has no idea how much he gave and to whom. Bush had his mini bailouts and he warned of the big fall. Clinton slept while corrupt Republicans changed the banking laws, only he was corrupted himself when he forced the banks to give loans to people who did not have a pot to piss in. Also, if you disagree then you must disclose an alternate plan......................ANS Why not reenstate old banking laws for starters. Keep investment bankers away from mortage lenders. Hold people accountable with jail terms. Bush's first mini-bailout was that puny: http://bailout.propublica.org/main/timeline/index Oct 3, 2008 – The House Passes TARP The House passes the bill, and the president signs the $700 billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act into law. Oct 8, 2008 – Second AIG Bailout The government restructures its bailout of AIG. The insurer gets access to $37.8 billion more in loans. Oct 14, 2008 – Paulson Rolls Out Bank Investments The Treasury Department announces that it will invest up to $250 billion in the nation's banks via the Capital Purchase Program, a subcomponent of the TARP, and billed as investments in "healthy banks." Paulson announced nine major banks signed on for a total of $125 billion in investments. (More about the program here.) Oct 28, 2008 Cumulative Total: $115B$115B – 8 bailouts today Show/Hide Details Bank of America $15 billion Bank of New York Mellon $3 billion Citigroup $25 billion Goldman Sachs $10 billion JPMorgan Chase $25 billion Morgan Stanley $10 billion State Street $2 billion Wells Fargo $25 billion Nov 10, 2008 – Third AIG Bailout The government restructures its bailout of AIG for the second time. Treasury invests $40 billion in AIG as part of the government’s now-$150 billion effort to keep AIG from collapsing. I'LL SPARE YOU ALL THE GORY DETAILS, BUT HERE IS THE CUMMULATIVE TOTAL: Jan 16, 2009 Cumulative Total: $317.4B $28B – 42 bailouts today So are these the tiny details to which you refer, not to mention signing for the whole $700B? http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ289.110 Bush signed for teh whole thing under this: http://publicmarkup.org/bill/senate-emergency-economic-stabilization-act-2008/ Do you have a real understanding of what you're talking about? Quote9. Expanded the bailouts. - As opposed to let the country fall flat? And the GDP rose from -6.4 the 1st quarter to -1.0 the second, s/b well + by the 3rd. How is the bailout so bad?................... Bailouts are bad when the government takes over companies and hands them to future voters: UAW. So Hoover's response to the Great Depression was good when he cut taxes immediately, thousands starved to death, so he raised taxes his last year, as did FDR and we pulled out amazingly. Also, Hoover and FDR created a lot of roads projects and the Hoover Dam on taxpayer's dime, was this takeover too? You just have given no recommendation as to what the gov should do and what the foreseeable consequence would be, so your point falls meaningless. Quote10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian. - No he didn't - show's desperation on your part. Again, how is this substantive?........... The man has no couth or protocol when he opens his mouth without the prompter. Don't you agree? No, I don't, you ever tell an off-color joke or hear one and laugh? Hell, Bonceproof clothing is kinda morbid, but do we laugh? Blue skies/black death is kinda off-color. Love your selective hypersensitivity. He wants to bring MC to everyone, that's the most gracious thing a person in his position can do. Increasing social spending to help everyone including special Olympians is gracious; cutting funding and saying 'please 'thank you' is superficial. Quote11. Doubled our national debt. - Where, other than Hanity and Limbaugh, do you get your data? Our national debt when Bush left was around 11.5T, now it's 12.1 or so. Fuzzy mnath much? .....................You have something valid. He may not have doubled our national debt since his healthcare plan will fail. No, can't you admit your blunders? Your assertion was that Obama doubled the debt. Most of what has been disseminated was Bush's $700B bailout and the automaker's bailout. Obama has increased the debt very little and it's all gone to recession recovery. If the HC passes it will at 850B over 10 years, and much of that will probably be recovered in the way of cost savings by cleaning up overall HC costs. Show some character here and admit the authors of your cut-n-pasty have no idea of what they are talking about. Doubled isn't a real hard concept. Do you see how people pick-up idiotic information? This is how rumors start. Quote12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. - Yea, and we're flat out of missles, darnit. We virtually match teh world in military spending but it's not enough for Rick. Rest assured that with Iraq/Afghanistan we evceed the rest of teh world...................The European missile defense is dead, and a lot of conservatives believe this is a move in the right direction. It is. We need to tone it down and give others fewer reasons to attack us. Quote13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors. - Released to whom? Released what? Is this about Guantanamo torture tactics and processes? If so, I think the enemy knows it already...............No doubt, you have never served in the military so the disclosure of this information to the public would not bother you. Again, you have no idea what the author of this cut-n-pasty meant, you can't address it so you make a false assumption as to my military service. I spent my 18th Bday in basic. Next errant ad hominem. Quote14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat. - OK, and what should he do? Post what your referring to, but he's not a babysitter........................No, he is not a babysitter, he holds the highest office of the land. He is incapable of selecting honest cabinet menbers. His thug background shows. It's pretty basic, you don't let the fox in the hen house. I asked you to post what you were talking about and you couldn't. Post a list of the names and situations. Quote15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation." - Post what you're talking about...................You need to read more. This was discussed a longtime ago on speakers corner. Vets like myself, are potential terrorists according to the Dep of Homeland Security. I asked you to expound on your assertion. I see now that you do get your info from SC, Limbaugh and Hannity. Make your point; you have just posted someone else's words and you can't back em. Quote16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters." - Post how this is relevant? Let's talk terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. Shall we talk Japan Aug 6 & 9, 1945 creating terror to achieve that political agenda? Hiro Hito agreed to a conditional surrender, not good enough. Even after the bombing it was still conditional, the emporor was to keep his thrown.........................ANS: Wrong. What fuck has Japan got to do with this? You are an insult to all the brave men and women who fought WWII. Remember Pearl Harbor? Remember the number of casualities we would have suffered had we invaded Japan. Thankfully, it was a democrat who ok'd the massive bombing raids and the use of those beautiful nukes. He saved a lot of American lives. Hiro Hito had surrendered conditionally before the bombings. Intentionally bombing women and children can't be excused by necessity in my world. You claimed Obama outlawed the use of the word, "terrorism' let me see what you're talking about; post a reference. Quote17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership. - Are you fucking kidding? http://www.visionofhumanity.org/...esults/rankings/2009 We moved from 97 to 83 this year, but of course that's for pussies, if they mock us we just blow them up...........Just what did he do then? I dunno, it's YOUR ASSERTION - YOU BACK IT UP! Quote18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us. It wasn't? A gun dealer in AZ provided like 1300 AK's to him as a starter. Again, so what, what does it change? IS ddenial before investigation always the best response? .......................... So, a gun dealer in AZ provided 1300 AK's to the President of Mexico. What's your point? If he broke the law, he should be prosecuted. Are you implying that the Pres of Mexico made a profit by selling them to drug dealer friends? Don't follow you on this one. He was prosecuted; I watched part of the trial. The case was tossed due to technical language issues with ATF statute. Where did I say the pres of Mexico anything? I think you should step down a bit and watch, you don't really have an understanding of the issues you post. Quote19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce. - How so? What's the harm of whatever you allege? ANS..........Simple, it's ACORN. What's Acorn? Describe with citation what you're talking about with politicizing the census, etc. Quote20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States. - Where is this elusive freedom for which you refer? As well, what about the father from the east coast whose wife took the child to Brazil I think it is and then dies, now her new husband is trying to claim the American's son and winning so far. This is Elian Gonzo in reverse, but I'm sure you think he belongs here, right? So do I, just as Elian belongs with his surviving custodial parent.............. Bet you a beer Elian defects when he is 18. Your guess and mine, you apparently agree that it would have been parental interference if we detained Elian. You then agree that this point by your author is BS. Quote21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses. - So freeing the ship captain justifies torture how??????? ................ BHO will torture his own terrorists uder the Patroit Act, an old hold-over from Bush. He couldn't have been a little more original with his own? Again, the original point: So freeing the ship captain justifies torture how??????? Quote22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers. - http://www.nydailynews.com/...ving_lowflying_.html Louis Caldera, the director of the White House military office who sent Air Force One and the fighter jet on an "aerial photo mission," got slammed by an angry President Obama. "I approved a mission over New York," Caldera said in a hastily prepared statement. "I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused." OK, so how is that Obama's fault? He learned of it and slammed Caldera, how is it his fault?...............Remember me? I just cut and paste. Obama did slam him only after a lot of pressure. He apologized that day or the next, there was no pressure, and he was pissed immediately. Again how is that his fault? Show how he resisted and who pressured, unless you just pulled that from your ass. Quote23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims. - Yes, as they are one of the more militant countries. Hell, even Bush told tehm to quit stirring shit, the shit that we have to go fix. Israel is not saint..............BHO is just promoting himself to his terrorist friends when in fact, Israel will remain one of our stongest allies. Kind of hurts, don't it. Establish terrorist friends. Why does it hurt that Israel is an ally? I want the world to love us. If Obama wants to appeal to the terrorist countries and groups, why did OBL publish a video of hate for him? Again, the point you ignored, Bush told Israel to quit stirring shit too. Quote24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel. - Post details......... Jimmy Carter only has two friends who don't laugh at him. You guessed right; it's North Korea, and Hamas. Again, post details. I know you don't understand what the author was trying to say, so either quit posting other people's words or understand them before you do. Quote25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process. - AKA bailed them out so they could stay afloat, our #4 product is autos, kinda important. I could see your cut-n-pasted list if Obama and congress did not: Obama lets US #4 product die without aid.....get real dude.................. Union votes again. Total avoidance of the issues. Perhaps you should quit the cut-n-pasties. Quote26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year. - Which and what is the purpose and the goal?.........You tell me. You're the emperor's defender. No, no, no; your assertion, you explain it. I think you learned your lesson; people will call you out if you post things for which you know not what you're talking about. Quote27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. ---> Death squad - fodder from idiots for idiots ---> $1 T - they say 850B, far less than the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars ---> Cut pay of physicians - that's conjecture, but would it be so bad if 300k, 500k/yr doc's pay were cut? ---> Strip seniors of Medicare - not hardly, nothing will change ---> Rationed care - like we have now ala HMO's? It will open up medical care to all, might it then take longer to see a doc? Probably. ---> Government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't - That's already done, why would you object? ............. ANSWER: ................ They fucked up Amtrack, Social Security, Medicare, the US Postal Service, etc. The majority of Americans do not want the government to control their healthcare. Really, you need to attend a tea party, and talk to the grass root population. You might even find some as smart as you. Ohhhh, so that's where you get your info, the Tea Parties. I feel so foolish, how did I not know. Here's a vid to show how well-informed those great fellers are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded Go to the 4 minute mark if you don't want to watch the whole thing, the Joe Wilson protestor is hilarious. As for Americans for or against, here's a Gallup poll http://www.gallup.com/poll/122822/americans-sharply-divided-healthcare-reform.aspx It's close to 50/50. I wonder what the polls would have read for outlawing slavery in the 1860's? I bet virtually all would have opposed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #46 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteObama's First Six Months' Accomplishments 1. Offended the Queen of England. good - she's a stuck-up useless ornament that needs offending regularly. (and her even more usless offspring - those cute little princes and princesses) next... Has there ever been a movement to unseat her? Looks like the Royal Family is a permanent fixture. Thankfully BHO will go. edited for spellingDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #47 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. Today isn't last November. Rasmussen has his numbers at 50 disapprove / 49 approve today. I think you have an annoying desire to convince everyone of your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority. Yes, and he spending so much time defending a "Bush Lite". Heresy on the way.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #48 September 23, 2009 I don't agree with your quote: "The Queen love Obama and family" (kind of a catchy little phrase). but, did she really say that or is this part of your mesmeric love of BHO?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #49 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again? "Defense = first strike?" - A label and actual functioning are different. So prove your point - as with dreamdancer, just because you SAY it's a first strike system doesn't make it so. The onus isn't on me to prove the point because it isn't mine - it is the point of every serious analyst of every defense, intelligence and political based journal I have read. You need to pick up a source of information that doesn't arrive through a television or local news agency. The fact you think it is some wild claim reflects, as usual, that you chose to read very little about the world around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #50 September 23, 2009 QuoteI don't agree with your quote: "The Queen love Obama and family" (kind of a catchy little phrase). but, did she really say that or is this part of your mesmeric love of BHO? Could be a sitcom. I don't do as conservatives do and measure the superficial actions to try to infer the greater feelings. England has always loved us, other than that little Revolutionary War thing, I don't think an arm grab by an unknowing gracious first lady is going to create strife. Other than american conservatives, people don't get hung up on superficial irregularities. Most people understand that outsiders are not aware of customs or in teh case of GHWB puking on the PM I believe it was, they understand things happen. Most people look for general feelings from others, general intent and attempts to kind and cordial versus some semantic splitting hairs over speech or behavior. If you reflect upon this you might understand why American conservatives are so unpopular right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Lucky... 0 #38 September 22, 2009 QuoteNot gonna argue with you there, but I'm thinking views of him are more positive outside the US than inside the US. And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. QuoteI'm betting part of it has to do with the "anybody but Bush" thing also. Bush didn't get 45% last November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #39 September 22, 2009 Quote And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. Today isn't last November. Rasmussen has his numbers at 50 disapprove / 49 approve today. I think you have an annoying desire to convince everyone of your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #40 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. Today isn't last November. Rasmussen has his numbers at 50 disapprove / 49 approve today. I think you have an annoying desire to convince everyone of your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority. And the PEW has him at 55+ 33- http://people-press.org/report/545/obama-approval-steady As for my alleged (by you) intellect. Just curious how you get that. I like data, that doesn't make me an egghead, it just means I like an empirical approach, as data doesn't lie. People will interpret data to create lies, but that's why you get a lot of objective data that hopefully singles out an independent variable. So to you if I love Jesus I'm humble, if I love the empirical approach I'm a self-anointed genius? Ridiculous, quit the ad hominem and provide me that data that shows tax cuts leading to + economic times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #41 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #43 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again? "Defense = first strike?" - A label and actual functioning are different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again? "Defense = first strike?" - A label and actual functioning are different. So prove your point - as with dreamdancer, just because you SAY it's a first strike system doesn't make it so.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #45 September 22, 2009 QuoteSorry I'm late. Had a dental appointment today. No prob, glad you addressed them. Quote1. Offended the Queen of England. - She wasn't offended but how is this substantive?...............It is substantive that he should have known better being the educated man he pretends to be. He lacked basic protocol like the caliber of people that surround him. OK, is this a diplomatic crisis? Are they going to boycott us? I think the Queen love Obama and family. Again, is there substantive anything here or desperation to find fault in nothing? How about this: ‘In January 1992, while at a formal dinner in Japan, then president George Bush became ill, vomiting on the Prime Minister of Japan, http://www.moonbuggy.org/archive/2007/03/19/george-bush-sr-throws-up-on-japanese-prime-minister/ I guess Japan has since written us off. Find something that matters, it makes a person look desperate to argue rhetoric. Quote2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. - How is this substantive?......... Only to show his submission to Islam; nothing short. Oh God, is the start of an argument that Obama is a terrorist. The proposition of a conspiracy theory is the responsibility of the person proposing it. As well, see #1. Quote3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega. - For what? How is this substantive?.........You don't praise enemies of the United States unless you want to surrender. He was representing himself and not the American people. A asked for details. I realize you didn't originate the list, but you posted it, make your case, as in; what happened? Quote4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek. - How is this substantive?............Like I said Hugo must have smelled too good to pass up, and they are brothers-in-socialism. Once again, he was representing himself. We should mend a lot of relationships, esp that of Venezuela. Again, you've posted nothing again. Make a case, Obama allegedly kissed Chavez on the cheek, it must be a custom, so how can you chide him for following custom when you chide him for breaking custom above. You are just desperate to find something and the authors of your list are just that. Quote5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia. - Endorsed for what? How is this substantive?..........Going out of his way to glorify another socialist. Our socialist president has forgotten that capitalism has served us well for the last 200+ years. We have had our moments, but we have prevailed. First, you're demonizing Socialism, or even quasi-Socialism, that is just your opinion, don't act as if there is no other way than exclusionist American Capitalism. As for a moment in Capitalism, we are the biggest debtor nation in the history of the world, so we are in that moment as a result of the biggest purveyors of your brand of Capitalism: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Still say it's the best system? Oh, and so ya feel real good about exclusionist American Capitalism, the top 20% of the country hold 93% of all cash and 84% of all cash and asset. Sounds to me like.....Communism in the aspect of distribution of wealth, but I'm just using data so what do I know? Quote6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras. - Sided in theory or sent troops?.........Of couse he sided with two dictators. He has dreams of joing them. Uncle Fidel's prisons are full of people who spoke out against him (if he didn't shoot them). Real nice thugs for the POTUS to hang out with. Wonder why he chided Honduras for kicking out a crocked president? Simple: he is afraid it might happen to him. At a 55% approval rating I don't see Obama too worried about being impeached; that's deluded. Again, this wasn't your list, but make your argument as to why Obama should not have sided with Chavez and Castro, if he did at all. Establish the argument instead of the same drivel that I get the feeling you don't understand. Quote7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons. - We should have attacked them, the ME is too peaceful. I know it's foreign to conservatives, but attacking/invading s/b last, talking first. ............. Our former presidents did nothing to stop North Korea and Iran, and look at what we face today (think there is no threat?). Obama has no substance like them. He is more interestied in presenting himself as an Islamic savior. Or providing a diplomatic solution. How have militant solutions worked out? Korea, VN, all the ME stuff for the major wars, and a bunch of micro-wars, haven't you learned these little countries like to pull us into these actions so we kill their innocents as well as their thugs and waste money and put them on the map? ME radicals live for dying in Jihad, why be a bunch of idiots and get sucked into the mess? So tell me, you still have provided no solution, tell me, what do we do when NK and Iran want a Nuclear program? Do we boycott, threaten, blow them up? Tell me. And this last war(s), how are they going? > $1 Trillion later and >4k deaths, how's it going? What have we done other than make a region dependent upon us, requiring us to stay longer? I realize your party thinks war first, but mine thinks war last. Quote8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions. - Starting with Bush and many Republican supporters. That act was systemic, it passed 75-24 and of the no votes 15 were Repub, so only slightly more R's voted no than D's. Not to mention Bush signed it. http://www.politico.com/...ries/1008/14190.html Your point establishes it was systemic...................BHO has no idea how much he gave and to whom. Bush had his mini bailouts and he warned of the big fall. Clinton slept while corrupt Republicans changed the banking laws, only he was corrupted himself when he forced the banks to give loans to people who did not have a pot to piss in. Also, if you disagree then you must disclose an alternate plan......................ANS Why not reenstate old banking laws for starters. Keep investment bankers away from mortage lenders. Hold people accountable with jail terms. Bush's first mini-bailout was that puny: http://bailout.propublica.org/main/timeline/index Oct 3, 2008 – The House Passes TARP The House passes the bill, and the president signs the $700 billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act into law. Oct 8, 2008 – Second AIG Bailout The government restructures its bailout of AIG. The insurer gets access to $37.8 billion more in loans. Oct 14, 2008 – Paulson Rolls Out Bank Investments The Treasury Department announces that it will invest up to $250 billion in the nation's banks via the Capital Purchase Program, a subcomponent of the TARP, and billed as investments in "healthy banks." Paulson announced nine major banks signed on for a total of $125 billion in investments. (More about the program here.) Oct 28, 2008 Cumulative Total: $115B$115B – 8 bailouts today Show/Hide Details Bank of America $15 billion Bank of New York Mellon $3 billion Citigroup $25 billion Goldman Sachs $10 billion JPMorgan Chase $25 billion Morgan Stanley $10 billion State Street $2 billion Wells Fargo $25 billion Nov 10, 2008 – Third AIG Bailout The government restructures its bailout of AIG for the second time. Treasury invests $40 billion in AIG as part of the government’s now-$150 billion effort to keep AIG from collapsing. I'LL SPARE YOU ALL THE GORY DETAILS, BUT HERE IS THE CUMMULATIVE TOTAL: Jan 16, 2009 Cumulative Total: $317.4B $28B – 42 bailouts today So are these the tiny details to which you refer, not to mention signing for the whole $700B? http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ289.110 Bush signed for teh whole thing under this: http://publicmarkup.org/bill/senate-emergency-economic-stabilization-act-2008/ Do you have a real understanding of what you're talking about? Quote9. Expanded the bailouts. - As opposed to let the country fall flat? And the GDP rose from -6.4 the 1st quarter to -1.0 the second, s/b well + by the 3rd. How is the bailout so bad?................... Bailouts are bad when the government takes over companies and hands them to future voters: UAW. So Hoover's response to the Great Depression was good when he cut taxes immediately, thousands starved to death, so he raised taxes his last year, as did FDR and we pulled out amazingly. Also, Hoover and FDR created a lot of roads projects and the Hoover Dam on taxpayer's dime, was this takeover too? You just have given no recommendation as to what the gov should do and what the foreseeable consequence would be, so your point falls meaningless. Quote10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian. - No he didn't - show's desperation on your part. Again, how is this substantive?........... The man has no couth or protocol when he opens his mouth without the prompter. Don't you agree? No, I don't, you ever tell an off-color joke or hear one and laugh? Hell, Bonceproof clothing is kinda morbid, but do we laugh? Blue skies/black death is kinda off-color. Love your selective hypersensitivity. He wants to bring MC to everyone, that's the most gracious thing a person in his position can do. Increasing social spending to help everyone including special Olympians is gracious; cutting funding and saying 'please 'thank you' is superficial. Quote11. Doubled our national debt. - Where, other than Hanity and Limbaugh, do you get your data? Our national debt when Bush left was around 11.5T, now it's 12.1 or so. Fuzzy mnath much? .....................You have something valid. He may not have doubled our national debt since his healthcare plan will fail. No, can't you admit your blunders? Your assertion was that Obama doubled the debt. Most of what has been disseminated was Bush's $700B bailout and the automaker's bailout. Obama has increased the debt very little and it's all gone to recession recovery. If the HC passes it will at 850B over 10 years, and much of that will probably be recovered in the way of cost savings by cleaning up overall HC costs. Show some character here and admit the authors of your cut-n-pasty have no idea of what they are talking about. Doubled isn't a real hard concept. Do you see how people pick-up idiotic information? This is how rumors start. Quote12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM. - Yea, and we're flat out of missles, darnit. We virtually match teh world in military spending but it's not enough for Rick. Rest assured that with Iraq/Afghanistan we evceed the rest of teh world...................The European missile defense is dead, and a lot of conservatives believe this is a move in the right direction. It is. We need to tone it down and give others fewer reasons to attack us. Quote13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors. - Released to whom? Released what? Is this about Guantanamo torture tactics and processes? If so, I think the enemy knows it already...............No doubt, you have never served in the military so the disclosure of this information to the public would not bother you. Again, you have no idea what the author of this cut-n-pasty meant, you can't address it so you make a false assumption as to my military service. I spent my 18th Bday in basic. Next errant ad hominem. Quote14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat. - OK, and what should he do? Post what your referring to, but he's not a babysitter........................No, he is not a babysitter, he holds the highest office of the land. He is incapable of selecting honest cabinet menbers. His thug background shows. It's pretty basic, you don't let the fox in the hen house. I asked you to post what you were talking about and you couldn't. Post a list of the names and situations. Quote15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation." - Post what you're talking about...................You need to read more. This was discussed a longtime ago on speakers corner. Vets like myself, are potential terrorists according to the Dep of Homeland Security. I asked you to expound on your assertion. I see now that you do get your info from SC, Limbaugh and Hannity. Make your point; you have just posted someone else's words and you can't back em. Quote16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters." - Post how this is relevant? Let's talk terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. Shall we talk Japan Aug 6 & 9, 1945 creating terror to achieve that political agenda? Hiro Hito agreed to a conditional surrender, not good enough. Even after the bombing it was still conditional, the emporor was to keep his thrown.........................ANS: Wrong. What fuck has Japan got to do with this? You are an insult to all the brave men and women who fought WWII. Remember Pearl Harbor? Remember the number of casualities we would have suffered had we invaded Japan. Thankfully, it was a democrat who ok'd the massive bombing raids and the use of those beautiful nukes. He saved a lot of American lives. Hiro Hito had surrendered conditionally before the bombings. Intentionally bombing women and children can't be excused by necessity in my world. You claimed Obama outlawed the use of the word, "terrorism' let me see what you're talking about; post a reference. Quote17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership. - Are you fucking kidding? http://www.visionofhumanity.org/...esults/rankings/2009 We moved from 97 to 83 this year, but of course that's for pussies, if they mock us we just blow them up...........Just what did he do then? I dunno, it's YOUR ASSERTION - YOU BACK IT UP! Quote18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us. It wasn't? A gun dealer in AZ provided like 1300 AK's to him as a starter. Again, so what, what does it change? IS ddenial before investigation always the best response? .......................... So, a gun dealer in AZ provided 1300 AK's to the President of Mexico. What's your point? If he broke the law, he should be prosecuted. Are you implying that the Pres of Mexico made a profit by selling them to drug dealer friends? Don't follow you on this one. He was prosecuted; I watched part of the trial. The case was tossed due to technical language issues with ATF statute. Where did I say the pres of Mexico anything? I think you should step down a bit and watch, you don't really have an understanding of the issues you post. Quote19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce. - How so? What's the harm of whatever you allege? ANS..........Simple, it's ACORN. What's Acorn? Describe with citation what you're talking about with politicizing the census, etc. Quote20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States. - Where is this elusive freedom for which you refer? As well, what about the father from the east coast whose wife took the child to Brazil I think it is and then dies, now her new husband is trying to claim the American's son and winning so far. This is Elian Gonzo in reverse, but I'm sure you think he belongs here, right? So do I, just as Elian belongs with his surviving custodial parent.............. Bet you a beer Elian defects when he is 18. Your guess and mine, you apparently agree that it would have been parental interference if we detained Elian. You then agree that this point by your author is BS. Quote21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses. - So freeing the ship captain justifies torture how??????? ................ BHO will torture his own terrorists uder the Patroit Act, an old hold-over from Bush. He couldn't have been a little more original with his own? Again, the original point: So freeing the ship captain justifies torture how??????? Quote22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers. - http://www.nydailynews.com/...ving_lowflying_.html Louis Caldera, the director of the White House military office who sent Air Force One and the fighter jet on an "aerial photo mission," got slammed by an angry President Obama. "I approved a mission over New York," Caldera said in a hastily prepared statement. "I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused." OK, so how is that Obama's fault? He learned of it and slammed Caldera, how is it his fault?...............Remember me? I just cut and paste. Obama did slam him only after a lot of pressure. He apologized that day or the next, there was no pressure, and he was pissed immediately. Again how is that his fault? Show how he resisted and who pressured, unless you just pulled that from your ass. Quote23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims. - Yes, as they are one of the more militant countries. Hell, even Bush told tehm to quit stirring shit, the shit that we have to go fix. Israel is not saint..............BHO is just promoting himself to his terrorist friends when in fact, Israel will remain one of our stongest allies. Kind of hurts, don't it. Establish terrorist friends. Why does it hurt that Israel is an ally? I want the world to love us. If Obama wants to appeal to the terrorist countries and groups, why did OBL publish a video of hate for him? Again, the point you ignored, Bush told Israel to quit stirring shit too. Quote24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel. - Post details......... Jimmy Carter only has two friends who don't laugh at him. You guessed right; it's North Korea, and Hamas. Again, post details. I know you don't understand what the author was trying to say, so either quit posting other people's words or understand them before you do. Quote25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process. - AKA bailed them out so they could stay afloat, our #4 product is autos, kinda important. I could see your cut-n-pasted list if Obama and congress did not: Obama lets US #4 product die without aid.....get real dude.................. Union votes again. Total avoidance of the issues. Perhaps you should quit the cut-n-pasties. Quote26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year. - Which and what is the purpose and the goal?.........You tell me. You're the emperor's defender. No, no, no; your assertion, you explain it. I think you learned your lesson; people will call you out if you post things for which you know not what you're talking about. Quote27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. ---> Death squad - fodder from idiots for idiots ---> $1 T - they say 850B, far less than the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars ---> Cut pay of physicians - that's conjecture, but would it be so bad if 300k, 500k/yr doc's pay were cut? ---> Strip seniors of Medicare - not hardly, nothing will change ---> Rationed care - like we have now ala HMO's? It will open up medical care to all, might it then take longer to see a doc? Probably. ---> Government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't - That's already done, why would you object? ............. ANSWER: ................ They fucked up Amtrack, Social Security, Medicare, the US Postal Service, etc. The majority of Americans do not want the government to control their healthcare. Really, you need to attend a tea party, and talk to the grass root population. You might even find some as smart as you. Ohhhh, so that's where you get your info, the Tea Parties. I feel so foolish, how did I not know. Here's a vid to show how well-informed those great fellers are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded Go to the 4 minute mark if you don't want to watch the whole thing, the Joe Wilson protestor is hilarious. As for Americans for or against, here's a Gallup poll http://www.gallup.com/poll/122822/americans-sharply-divided-healthcare-reform.aspx It's close to 50/50. I wonder what the polls would have read for outlawing slavery in the 1860's? I bet virtually all would have opposed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #46 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteObama's First Six Months' Accomplishments 1. Offended the Queen of England. good - she's a stuck-up useless ornament that needs offending regularly. (and her even more usless offspring - those cute little princes and princesses) next... Has there ever been a movement to unseat her? Looks like the Royal Family is a permanent fixture. Thankfully BHO will go. edited for spellingDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #47 September 22, 2009 QuoteQuote And last November he won 52% of the popular vote over 45%. I think you don't like data and don't really have an understanding of things. Today isn't last November. Rasmussen has his numbers at 50 disapprove / 49 approve today. I think you have an annoying desire to convince everyone of your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority. Yes, and he spending so much time defending a "Bush Lite". Heresy on the way.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #48 September 23, 2009 I don't agree with your quote: "The Queen love Obama and family" (kind of a catchy little phrase). but, did she really say that or is this part of your mesmeric love of BHO?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #49 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote 12. A first strike weapon as understood by everyone. Defense = first strike? That seems consistent with the 'logic' in your arguments. The USSR called itself democratic therefore by your stupidity they were. Since we're speaking of stupidiy...this has WHAT to do with a missile defense system, again? "Defense = first strike?" - A label and actual functioning are different. So prove your point - as with dreamdancer, just because you SAY it's a first strike system doesn't make it so. The onus isn't on me to prove the point because it isn't mine - it is the point of every serious analyst of every defense, intelligence and political based journal I have read. You need to pick up a source of information that doesn't arrive through a television or local news agency. The fact you think it is some wild claim reflects, as usual, that you chose to read very little about the world around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #50 September 23, 2009 QuoteI don't agree with your quote: "The Queen love Obama and family" (kind of a catchy little phrase). but, did she really say that or is this part of your mesmeric love of BHO? Could be a sitcom. I don't do as conservatives do and measure the superficial actions to try to infer the greater feelings. England has always loved us, other than that little Revolutionary War thing, I don't think an arm grab by an unknowing gracious first lady is going to create strife. Other than american conservatives, people don't get hung up on superficial irregularities. Most people understand that outsiders are not aware of customs or in teh case of GHWB puking on the PM I believe it was, they understand things happen. Most people look for general feelings from others, general intent and attempts to kind and cordial versus some semantic splitting hairs over speech or behavior. If you reflect upon this you might understand why American conservatives are so unpopular right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
