ACORN...and Obama - This is nuts!

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ACORN, Obama, and the Mortgage Mess
By Mona Charen
Real Clear Politics
September 30, 2008

The financial markets were teetering on the edge of an abyss last week. The secretary of the Treasury was literally on his knees begging the speaker of the House not to sabotage the bailout bill. The crash of falling banks made the earth tremble. The Republican presidential candidate suspended his campaign to deal with the crisis. And amid all this, the Democrats in Congress managed to find time to slip language into the bailout legislation that would provide a dandy little slush fund for ACORN.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a busy hive of left-wing agitation and “direct action” that claims chapters in 50 cities and 100,000 dues-paying members. ACORN is where Sixties leftovers who couldn’t get tenure at universities wound up. That the bill-writing Democrats remembered their pet clients during such an emergency speaks volumes. This attempted gift to ACORN (stripped out of the bill after outraged howls from Republicans) demonstrates how little Democrats understand about what caused the mess we’re in.
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In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the “worst case of election fraud in our state’s history.” As Fox News reported:

“The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms.”

ACORN explained that this was an “isolated” incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Colorado — all swing states, by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See www.rottenacorn.com.) Their philosophy seems to be that everyone deserves the right to vote, whether legal or illegal, living or dead.
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ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff — the very people who would later descend on Chicago’s banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic — he was an ACORN fellow traveler.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

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if only the news would report all of Obama's afiliations with these kinds of groups and peoples. people need to see what Obama is really made of and not elect him president. to bad people are overlooking these things because of how mad they are at bush. McCain has proven his loyalty to this country and Obama has proven his loyalties to radical groups and peoples. now this doesn';t prove McCain is the best choice but we do know were his loyalties and heart lies and that is with the american people. McCain has made mistakes but not one time do i feel thaat he made choices to hurt us, only to help us.

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ACORN, Obama, and the Mortgage Mess
By Mona Charen
Real Clear Politics
September 30, 2008

The financial markets were teetering on the edge of an abyss last week. The secretary of the Treasury was literally on his knees begging the speaker of the House not to sabotage the bailout bill. The crash of falling banks made the earth tremble. The Republican presidential candidate suspended his campaign to deal with the crisis. And amid all this, the Democrats in Congress managed to find time to slip language into the bailout legislation that would provide a dandy little slush fund for ACORN.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a busy hive of left-wing agitation and “direct action” that claims chapters in 50 cities and 100,000 dues-paying members. ACORN is where Sixties leftovers who couldn’t get tenure at universities wound up. That the bill-writing Democrats remembered their pet clients during such an emergency speaks volumes. This attempted gift to ACORN (stripped out of the bill after outraged howls from Republicans) demonstrates how little Democrats understand about what caused the mess we’re in.
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In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the “worst case of election fraud in our state’s history.” As Fox News reported:

“The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms.”

ACORN explained that this was an “isolated” incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Colorado — all swing states, by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See www.rottenacorn.com.) Their philosophy seems to be that everyone deserves the right to vote, whether legal or illegal, living or dead.
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ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff — the very people who would later descend on Chicago’s banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic — he was an ACORN fellow traveler.

ACORN is also a big player in the Fannie and Freddie mess.

Who were the top two to recieve money from these "corps" Dod and Obama

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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makes you wonder why this stuff isn't being reported ?

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A story of a democratic grass roots campaign... Sure. This is a little different than offering someone a bottle of whisky to vote for a certain candiate, and it has gone on for years. Maybe the penalities are too lax and there is little enforcement.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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makes you wonder why this stuff isn't being reported ?

I just noticed that a thread I started with info about ACORN has dissapeared.

Out wonderful open minded and fair greenies must not have liked it.

I will bring the link back

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I had this link in another thread. I started a thread just for this and it has disapeared (unless I cant search which is possible)

http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

And I really dont care who or what party. If this is not stopped at its core as what happens with the kinds of asscociations you post here, it will happen over and over.........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

And I really dont care who or what party. If this is not stopped at its core as what happens with the kinds of asscociations you post here, it will happen over and over.........

I posted the proof on the loans but kallend hasn't responded yet. i don't think McCain is the best we have but i know Obama is close to the bottom of the radical barrel. to bad so many people are blind to what he really represents through his associations. Obama is a good used car salesman.

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

And I really dont care who or what party. If this is not stopped at its core as what happens with the kinds of asscociations you post here, it will happen over and over.........

I posted the proof on the loans but kallend hasn't responded yet. i don't think McCain is the best we have but i know Obama is close to the bottom of the radical barrel. to bad so many people are blind to what he really represents through his associations. Obama is a good used car salesman.

Agreed

And I will agree with kallend that these loans are not the only part of the issue. Some lenders have made their own beds but, the gov promoted it with the law and changes. And the Dems defended it cause it was and is a cash cow to them.

But Obama and his angry wife are much worse than McCain. That is unles you want the country to go quicker toward socialism....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Obama is a good used car salesman

Hey now, no need to be putting down used car sales people. My sig line says more about the fine character of Obama and the company he keeps.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

And I really dont care who or what party. If this is not stopped at its core as what happens with the kinds of asscociations you post here, it will happen over and over.........

I posted the proof on the loans but kallend hasn't responded yet. i don't think McCain is the best we have but i know Obama is close to the bottom of the radical barrel. to bad so many people are blind to what he really represents through his associations. Obama is a good used car salesman.

Agreed

And I will agree with kallend that these loans are not the only part of the issue. Some lenders have made their own beds but, the gov promoted it with the law and changes. And the Dems defended it cause it was and is a cash cow to them.

But Obama and his angry wife are much worse than McCain. That is unles you want the country to go quicker toward socialism....

if Obama gets elected the money we make will go nto special intrest radical groups, low income and minorities. the higher taxes to companies will drive them out of the country. the programs obama wants become active, they WILL cause an amplification of our currant problems.

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Obama is a good used car salesman

Hey now, no need to be putting down used car sales people. My sig line says more about the fine character of Obama and the company he keeps.

your correct used car salesman have more honor and integrity

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. . . kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat . . .

Hey I know you guys are missing the other side of the argument so I'll try to fill in.

You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, and bush sucks, and only the Democrats led by his highness can save this truly f&*^ed up country.

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

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Translation - you don't have any proof or you would produce it.

The reason you don't have any proof is that CRA loans were not the problem. Marks even provided data showing that.

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Why is it the Obama supporters on this site ignore this? No need to answer. It's a rhetorical question.

I admit to being caught up in the wave of energy that followed Obama around prior to the summer. Most likely because I really do not trust Hillary so naturally I'll favor whoever opposes her. Anyhow once that all wore off I got this funny feeling about Obama. Something told me he can't be trusted. A lot of people would scoff at such a notion. A feeling? pffft. Now I'm not that educated and I'm certainly no genius but if there is anything I'm good at it's judgement of character....that and spacial orientation but that's for another thread.

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

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Translation - you don't have any proof or you would produce it.

The reason you don't have any proof is that CRA loans were not the problem. Marks even provided data showing that.

No, they are. but in any event, a bail out is wrong no whether you are are right or wrong. Same for me.

But, if we do not want this to happen again, the crooks (who just happen to be Dems) need to be kicked out of the hen house.

F Raines, Johnson were blamed in front of the Dem controled commitee when Falon gave his report a few years back.

By the way, I was going to link the youtube video of that hearing. It has been pulled.

Imagine that

Please sir, go on being wrong on this for your political good feelings. It will really help get it fixed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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makes you wonder why this stuff isn't being reported ?

Lou Dobbs did about 10 minutes on them last night

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kinda puts the start back at carters era

which has been my point.

kallend has been beaten back to saying "prove" it is the this loan type as the rest of his points have no meat.........

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Translation - you don't have any proof or you would produce it.

The reason you don't have any proof is that CRA loans were not the problem. Marks even provided data showing that.

No, they are.

Still no data to support your statement!

Fact - over half the problem mortgages came from brokers who were not bound by CRA rules at all.

Fact - subprime lending was not restricted to CRA loans.

Fact - CRA didn't force brokers to steer home buyers to subprime loans so the broker could get a higher commission.

Fact - CRA didn't force middle class buyers to overextend on big houses or summer homes.

Fact - CRA loans had a lower default rate than subprime loans in general.

Fact - The CRA didn't force any bank into risky CDS transactions, loan "securitization", or other silly debt instruments.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Why is it the Obama supporters on this site ignore this? No need to answer. It's a rhetorical question.

I admit to being caught up in the wave of energy that followed Obama around prior to the summer. Most likely because I really do not trust Hillary so naturally I'll favor whoever opposes her. Anyhow once that all wore off I got this funny feeling about Obama. Something told me he can't be trusted. A lot of people would scoff at such a notion. A feeling? pffft. Now I'm not that educated and I'm certainly no genius but if there is anything I'm good at it's judgement of character....that and spacial orientation but that's for another thread.

I understand completely, and I understand why there is such a zealous and rabid pack trying to diminish the opposition rather than build up their candidate. It's not that they believe he isn't the best candidate, they do. It is that they actually believe their own self induced hype that he is "the one".

Sorry disciples, I lived through Kennedy, there is no such thing in the two party system. But I also know that if they won't see some faults in him now they won't see them in him later.

I believe he is dangerously liberal and not at all a person that can lead. Much like Pelosi he expects rather than inspires and dictates rather than leads.

Oh well, I know how to make money with a socialist president. Conservatives gain wealth with conservative presidents and get rich with liberal presidents.

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Still no data to support your statement!

Fact - over half the problem mortgages came from brokers who were not bound by CRA rules at all.

Fact - subprime lending was not restricted to CRA loans.

Fact - CRA didn't force brokers to steer home buyers to subprime loans so the broker could get a higher commission.

Fact - CRA didn't force middle class buyers to overextend on big houses or summer homes.

Fact - CRA loans had a lower default rate than subprime loans in general.

Fact - The CRA didn't force any bank into risky CDS transactions, loan "securitization", or other silly debt instruments.

And no data quoted in your statement above to support yours.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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Still no data to support your statement!

Fact - over half the problem mortgages came from brokers who were not bound by CRA rules at all.

Fact - subprime lending was not restricted to CRA loans.

Fact - CRA didn't force brokers to steer home buyers to subprime loans so the broker could get a higher commission.

Fact - CRA didn't force middle class buyers to overextend on big houses or summer homes.

Fact - CRA loans had a lower default rate than subprime loans in general.

Fact - The CRA didn't force any bank into risky CDS transactions, loan "securitization", or other silly debt instruments.

And no data quoted in your statement above to support yours.

The CRA is available for all to read. Nowhere does it, for example, force banks into credit dafault swaps or force brokers to steer clients to risky loans so the broker's commission is increased.

Are you disputing that? If so, it just makes you look silly.

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Fact - over half the problem mortgages came from brokers who were not bound by CRA rules at all.

Fact - subprime lending was not restricted to CRA loans.

Fact - CRA didn't force brokers to steer home buyers to subprime loans so the broker could get a higher commission.

Fact - CRA didn't force middle class buyers to overextend on big houses or summer homes.

Fact - CRA loans had a lower default rate than subprime loans in general.

Fact - The CRA didn't force any bank into risky CDS transactions, loan "securitization", or other silly debt instruments.

Not that I full agree with your premise, but your "facts" do highlight that the CRA provided an environment that allowed greed and predation to run unchecked. No one "forced" the issue - it "allowed" the issue.

I see that as a failure of politicians to look past their narrow objectives. Imagine if they had to perform an economic environmental impact study before passing legislation like this.

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Why is it the Obama supporters on this site ignore this? No need to answer. It's a rhetorical question.

I admit to being caught up in the wave of energy that followed Obama around prior to the summer. Most likely because I really do not trust Hillary so naturally I'll favor whoever opposes her. Anyhow once that all wore off I got this funny feeling about Obama. Something told me he can't be trusted. A lot of people would scoff at such a notion. A feeling? pffft. Now I'm not that educated and I'm certainly no genius but if there is anything I'm good at it's judgement of character....that and spacial orientation but that's for another thread.

Again, I've been reading through another boring Obama thread and stumbled across an interesting post. If I'd the notion, I'd get some links to similiar.
Essentially, what interests me is people who have perceptions about the guy that you describe. I've come across people with such descriptions over here in the UK too. The most extreme describe him as the Anti-Christ which I find ridiculous, but also funny in a black kind of way - no pun intended - because of this bleak enigmatic aura which seems to surround the man.

It isn't comparable to people throughout planet earth worrying over the suitability of George Bush when he became President. That was far more on the surface. This perception of Obama seems more abstruse, yet it's maybe more widespread than most people think.

What I find interesting is the reasoning for these perceptions; I somehow can't put it down to whatever negative press report people heard or read.

Simplistically, maybe the dudes just a creepy fucker.

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