NWFlyer 2 #1 February 13, 2007 Interesting case. Personally I think it was a little heavy-handed; the kids can have all the sex they want with each other, perfectly legally, but they take photos and all of a sudden it's criminal?"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #2 February 13, 2007 are they considered to be "kiddies" in that state? not in wa, and many others. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #3 February 13, 2007 According to the article, the kids in question were 16 and 17. The FLorida Supreme Court had previously ruled that sex with each other was perfectly legal. By that definition, no, they are not kiddies. However, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that in the matter of pornographic photos, they are being considered kiddies."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #4 February 13, 2007 I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #5 February 13, 2007 Noticed that. Sounds like FL legal folks need to do some thinking. Also (not trying to be mean), but thread title.... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #6 February 13, 2007 What about the title? I'm asking the question - do people agree with the Florida Supreme Court's definition of child pornography?"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #7 February 13, 2007 It doesn't appear as though FL considers 16 year olds to be "kiddies" as far as haing sex is concerned, that's all. If it were my daughter.. well, different story "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #8 February 13, 2007 I think the laws need to be re-written. If you are within 3 or perhaps 5 years of someones age, consentual sex should not be a crime. And, any adult distributing or receiving and not reporting these pictures should be charged. I have friends that has sex at VERY early ages, quite a few actually. It is not a crime, just a lack of parental oversight. The other HUGE factor is the timeline of accepted sexual norms our society. These are the 1st two centuries where we deny that sexuality manifests itself before age 18. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #9 February 13, 2007 Friends don't let friends allow Fundies to write laws.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 February 13, 2007 QuoteFriends don't let friends allow Fundies to write laws. Or become judges. "Appellant was simply too young to make an intelligent decision about engaging in sexual conduct and memorializing it." Unbelievable, this came from the majority opinion. The ones that upheld the convictions against those they deemed to young to know what they had done. The majority also has little idea of how vunerable private email transmissions are. If someone really wanted your mail, they could probably get it. But no one is going to accidently stumble upon these photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindercles 0 #11 February 13, 2007 Of course this is ridiculous. However, what happens when the same guy keeps those pictures years later? Is that then child pornography, even though he took them when he was her age? Hypothetically speaking, of course... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #12 February 13, 2007 QuoteOf course this is ridiculous. However, what happens when the same guy keeps those pictures years later? Is that then child pornography, even though he took them when he was her age? Hypothetically speaking, of course... Shouldn´t be as long as he doesn´t distribute them... My parents once took a picture of me when i was 2 years old naked in the beach making a sand castle, is that child pornography? (many people have seen them) Laws need to take into consideration common sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,262 #13 February 13, 2007 QuoteAs previously stated, the reasonable expectation that the material will ultimately be disseminated is by itself a compelling state interest for preventing the production of this material. What the Fuck? "Reasonable expectation"! Absolutely ridiculous. QuoteFurther, if these pictures are ultimately released, future damage may be done to these minors' careers or personal lives. Again, what the fuck? As much damage as, oh say, having a child porn conviction on their records!!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 February 13, 2007 In the UK they would be above the age of consent.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #15 February 14, 2007 It's pretty absurd. It takes "ignorance is no excuse" 180 degrees and runs with it. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrismgtis 0 #16 February 14, 2007 QuoteI believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex. If I ever had the chance to have sex when I was 16, you could bet I would have been right on it, regardless what any law enforcement agency says I can or can not do or what anyones opinion was. That won't ever change and everyone feels the same way at that age. I still do and I'm 24. I'd go back in time and make it happen if I could. Sex is fun. Everyone agrees. Personally, if I wanted to take nude pictures of my girlfriend when I was under 18 and look at them later and she had no problem with it, that was my right and my right to privacy to do whatever I wanted. No one has the right to tell me any different. If I they were 12, I might look at it differently. It's not like they gave the pictures to a 30 year old man.Rodriguez Brother #1614, Muff Brother #4033 Jumped: Twin Otter, Cessna 182, CASA, Helicopter, Caravan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
