jkm2500 0 #1 March 6, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/06/scotus.campus.recruiters.ap/index.html What do you think? I think that if the universities take federal money that military recruiters should definitely be allowed on campus. I say its a good decision.The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 March 6, 2006 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/06/scotus.campus.recruiters.ap/index.html What do you think? I think that if the universities take federal money that military recruiters should definitely be allowed on campus. I say its a good decision. Well, if high school kids can be challenged by intense political thoughts without any fear, surely these college students are capable of what career they wish to pursue after graduation. (without the university restricting their options) Certainly federal money makes it a no brainer. Be even if there wasn't federal money, why would any school restrict the career options of their graduates? We are talking about adults. Young adults, wet behind the ears, mostly dumbasses, but still legally adults. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #3 March 6, 2006 absolutely a good decision...no question."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 March 6, 2006 yep - military is a key need of our country and they should be able to recruit. I think I draw the line, however, at high schools giving out home phone numbers. on the other side, the gay hunt needs to stop in the military. Clinton did us no favors with his half assed compromise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sick_Of_It_All 0 #6 March 6, 2006 Quote I think I draw the line, however, at high schools giving out home phone numbers. When I was in high school I had a recruiter call my house and tell me they were on their way out to talk to me about joining the military. Funny thing is I never asked them to contact me, and certainly not come to my house. That recruiter harrassed me for almost two months before I went off on him. If I was thinking of joining that guy certainly wasn't helping me decide to sign up. I agree that if a college is accepting federal money that recruiters should be allowed on that campus. Even if not, whats the big deal? These are adults that can hopefully think for themselves and make their own decisions. I could do it when I was in high school. No body is twisting arms and making them sign up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #7 March 6, 2006 Then that particular recruiter should be reported immediatley to the NCOIC at the local AFEES station...after that he will be sorry he ever picked up that phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sick_Of_It_All 0 #8 March 6, 2006 That was a long time ago, I just tried to ignore him. Seems like most recruiters are bad, if you even express the slightest interest in joining they are on you like a car salesman. The Coast Guard however has so many people that want to join they don't bother following up at all. I am currently on at least a 10 month waiting list for boot camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 March 6, 2006 I might also explain that I am ex Army but I actually might recommend another branch of service depending on what MOS you may seek. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #10 March 6, 2006 Here's my take on this... I don't agree that just because a school accepts federal money that they must be required to allow military recruiters on their campuses. BUT I do believe that during any Job Fair, Career events, etc that are hosted by these Fed-funded schools, the Recruiters should be allowed to attend... Universities set a lot of dates for these job recruitement events, where they invite in representatives from different companies to speak to students. If a student is interested in joining the military (which they probably would have done instead of going to college), these events are a great time for them to be approached... They would be there because they want to be approached and they want to be informed about their options. It seems to me that having the recruiters presence on campus any more than periodic Career events is more than whats necessary/appropriate,and a waste of both military budget and resources. That is the appropriate time for businesses and agencies to solicate themselves to the students, so why should the military be there more often? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sick_Of_It_All 0 #11 March 6, 2006 Excellent point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 March 6, 2006 QuoteExcellent point. yeah, I think it's the best point so far. equal representation as any other career opportunity ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 March 6, 2006 Quote yeah, I think it's the best point so far. equal representation as any other career opportunity The catch has been that these career fairs have moved in recent years to exclude discriminatory companies, and the military currently qualifies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #14 March 6, 2006 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/06/scotus.campus.recruiters.ap/index.html What do you think? I think that if the universities take federal money that military recruiters should definitely be allowed on campus. I say its a good decision. It is a stunning triumph of common sense. I am glad that SCOTUS recognized that whiny minorities who don't realize that the world is not there to fluff their collective egos(sp?) are not worth the trouble they cause. Signed, A VeteranIllinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuote yeah, I think it's the best point so far. equal representation as any other career opportunity The catch has been that these career fairs have moved in recent years to exclude discriminatory companies, and the military currently qualifies. Let them recruit too. Let the students decide based on their own morals ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 March 6, 2006 Quote Let them recruit too. Let the students decide based on their own morals that won't really give these companies any motivation to change, will it now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #17 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuote Let them recruit too. Let the students decide based on their own morals that won't really give these companies any motivation to change, will it now? No, and it shouldn't. It's called the Free Market.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 March 6, 2006 Quote No, and it shouldn't. It's called the Free Market. in our country, we have these Amendment thingies. You might want to read some of them. If you don't like em, there's always China. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #19 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuote No, and it shouldn't. It's called the Free Market. in our country, we have these Amendment thingies. You might want to read some of them. If you don't like em, there's always China. Erm, I said that companies ought not be coerced to serve a particular demographic. That's a free market. Doing what you want with your own business. I fail to see how doing what you want to do with your own business, free of governmental coercion, is akin to Chinese oppression...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #20 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote No, and it shouldn't. It's called the Free Market. in our country, we have these Amendment thingies. You might want to read some of them. If you don't like em, there's always China. Erm, I said that companies ought not be coerced to serve a particular demographic. That's a free market. Doing what you want with your own business. I fail to see how doing what you want to do with your own business, free of governmental coercion, is akin to Chinese oppression... The analogy he's making, fairly accurately, is that employers that engage in discriminatory practices are generally banned from these job fairs due to their discriminatory practices; but the military gets an exeception carved out just for them. The free market would have perpetuated slavery and segregated workplaces, too. The rule of law and justice sometimes needs to trump the free market. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 March 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Let them recruit too. Let the students decide based on their own morals that won't really give these companies any motivation to change, will it now? No, and it shouldn't. It's called the Free Market. DING!!! another winner... I Love it when this happens!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #22 March 6, 2006 QuoteI don't agree that just because a school accepts federal money that they must be required to allow military recruiters on their campuses. BUT I do believe that during any Job Fair, Career events, etc that are hosted by these Fed-funded schools, the Recruiters should be allowed to attend... The one problem with that, is that the state universities that I have been too have allowed other companies to recruit outside of a scheduled job fair, so why not the military, especially if the schools receive federal funding. I'm not sure on the laws, but maybe the university if they wanted to, could deny businesses from recruiting without invite though. Soliciting is everywhere at every college you go too, unless private, so who got on their high horse to say the military isn't welcome. I know at the University of Nebraska, we had a recruiting office on campus, mainly for those interested in ROTC. I think keeping that office on campus is a service to its students, because there will be plenty of students interested, and this makes it easier for them to join up and find a career and get scholarships. There was never any "harrassing" going on that I saw. A simple no thanks was plenty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #23 March 6, 2006 I have a feeling that at State Universities, it's a whole different ballgame! But for the private schools, the Job Fair approach, I think, should make everyone happy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #24 March 7, 2006 QuoteI have a feeling that at State Universities, it's a whole different ballgame! But for the private schools, the Job Fair approach, I think, should make everyone happy... Maybe they were referring to private colleges, I guess the suit was brought up by a law school. I didn't see anywhere in the article though where the subject was only about private colleges though. Seemed it was pretty general about any taking federal aid, private or public. The job fair idea seems fair but according to the article the decision made was to give the military the same rights as other recruiters. From the article... Quote"Recruiters are, by definition, outsiders who come onto campus for the limited purpose of trying to hire students -- not to become members of the school's expressive association," he wrote. The federal law, known as the Solomon Amendment after its first congressional sponsor, mandates that universities give the military the same access as other recruiters or forfeit federal money. I interpreted this as other recruiters being allowed on campus, while trying to ban the military. I find that bs considering the amount they receive in federal funding. Technically though according to the law, if other recruiters were only allowed during job fairs then the same could be applied to the military. However, I don't see that being the case. Do you feel if other recruiters are allowed on campus at any time, the military should be as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #25 March 7, 2006 the complaint was brought by a law school.... the law school had a policy - no recruiters/representatives/companies that discriminate in their hiring practices - in any shape or form. pretty straight forward - you don't hire black people, you don't show up on campus. you don't hire women, you don't show up on campus. you don't hire jews, you don't show up on campus. and so on and so forth. the military doesn't allow gays. this meets the law school's standards for "discrimination" (some of you may actually think this *isn't* discrimination...). therefore, the law school said, "thanks, but no thanks" to the recruiters. equal application of their policy they thought...obviously SCOTUS begs to differ... IMHO, the law school was in the right. even if they accept federal funds(why not make the arg that the law school must meet federal "standards for education" therefore they *must* accept federal money?). if you discriminate on the basis of nationality, religion, race, sex, or sexuality, then, IMHO you don't belong on a college campus looking for potential employees. take it to the classifieds, like the rest of the strip clubs/escort services ;)Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
