cyberskydive 0 #1 May 30, 2001 Is that a trick question sangiro? - C-28534http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #2 May 30, 2001 After reading the question I was ready for an answer to be:"Do nothing; wait for AAD to fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #3 May 30, 2001 I ticked the second because if you have a bag lock and you are that low, you definately want to be opening your reserve, but you also don't want the shock of the reserve to unlock the bag(potentially) and give you two canopies. So, in my opinion both answers don't say it all, because rather than one at a time, I would be pulling both simultaneously.my .02$Kia Kaha,PykeNZPF A-2584 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #4 May 30, 2001 ummm did you read the altitude wrong man? Let me get you some BIG rubber bands and no dont double stow them.I chose to cut away, pull reserve, of course. 2k plenty altitude to initiate emergency procedures properly. USPA recommends at 1800ft make final decisions right? So going through 2k with a bag lock I would say cut away.1k? maybe a different story, but I think the chances of a clean reserve deployment with everything but the canopy out are marginal. C-28534http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 4 #5 May 30, 2001 QuoteUSPA recommends at 1800ft make final decisions right? So going through 2k with a bag lock I would say cut away. The USPA also says: go straight for the reserve, don't cut away (SIM 4.18 B) while 88% of the people in the poll so far seem to disagree. BTW - that's why the poll is on there, no trick question. Safe swoopsSangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PalmettoTiger 1 #6 May 30, 2001 My training was if you've pulled one handle, you have to pull the other two. Anybody else hear that in the FJC? Do you think it's useful (makes sense to me...) or were they just trying not to cram our little how-fo brains with too much info and too many scenarios?Blues, squares,PTiger*insert witty sig here* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeekStreak 0 #7 May 30, 2001 USPA also says at 1,000' pull reserve first no matter what... Does that imply that you cut your main first if higher?I was taught to dump a bag lock before pulling the reserve.1111,GeekStreak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #8 May 31, 2001 QuoteThe USPA also says: go straight for the reserve, don't cut away (SIM 4.18 B) I beleive that is the response to a P.C. in tow, NOT for a bag lock. A P.C. in tow is considered a total malfunction, while a baglock is considered a partial malfunction.And 2000 feet is not that low.how to have a good weekend: pack fast, pull low, date your riggers wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #9 May 31, 2001 QuoteThe USPA also says: go straight for the reserve, don't cut away (SIM 4.18 B) I beleive that is the response to a P.C. in tow, NOT for a bag lock. A P.C. in tow is considered a total malfunction, while a baglock is considered a partial malfunction.And 2000 feet is not that low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 4 #10 May 31, 2001 I believe you are right! My wording in that poll sucks! the intentions were right...then I got the wrong malfunction up there. Safe swoopsSangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #11 May 31, 2001 blame it on the server any of the people that voted to just dump reserve think twice aout that answer?C-28534http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #12 June 1, 2001 Now you guys are confusing me. What's the correct answer, and why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #13 June 1, 2001 I agree, cutaway. That is what the sim says at 4.18. With a partial mal. At 2k, you have time, and don't want that ball of junk over your head when the reserve comes out.The other advice from anonymous about dating the riggers wife, though... I would think twice about dating a guys wife that is packing my reserve. But I guess I just don't live that dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #14 June 1, 2001 QuoteI would think twice about dating a guys wife that is packing my reserve.But you would pull low and pack fast? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #15 June 1, 2001 Sangiro said--I believe you are right! My wording in that poll sucks! the intentions were right...then I got the wrong malfunction up there. Safe swoopsSangiro DB--Why do you say that your wording sucks? The majority vote was correct for the "question asked," be it the intended question or not.You asked in your post--You have a bag-lock malfunction falling through 2000 ft, you....DB--By definition, a bag lock malfunction implies that the bag is off your back with one of the stows not released for whatever reason. This is considered a partial malfunction, and should be cut-away to avoid possible reserve entanglement.As far as PC's in tow, I would hope that the recommend response to them in well known.Now let's have a poll for horseshoe malfunctions, which are much more dangerous!Dave Brownell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #16 June 1, 2001 Sangiro,I agree. Somehow I thought you meant container lock and that is why I marked just pull the reserve. I guess I was second guessing the wording. :)Malachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #17 June 1, 2001 QuoteMy training was if you've pulled one handle, you have to pull the other two. Anybody else hear that in the FJC? Do you think it's useful (makes sense to me...) or were they just trying not to cram our little how-fo brains with too much info and too many scenarios?That's how I heard it also Palmetto. It saves time trying to think "hmm, what kind of mal is this and what's the right thing to do with this one?"...just cut and pull out the reserve automatically. Gives you less to think about and less chance of choosing wrong!Pammi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #18 June 1, 2001 Quotejust cut and pull out the reserve automaticallyOuch. The problem with this is that if you have a container lock, there is a chance it can open when the reserve container does (releasing the pressure), and you can have the now cut away main foul your inflating reserve. Granted, the not cut away one might also, and you have to deal with two canopies out, but the theory is your chances are better giving your main a normal deployment sequence.Or has drug use in my youth caused me to make a misjudgement here? Carl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #19 June 2, 2001 A student is taught in the FJC to pull all handles. Pammi is correct in that this helps to decrease the chances of second guessing the correct emergency procedures. In this case, at 2 grand, of course you cut away and pull the oh-shit handle. BUT, students are also taught this because students should pull at 3500' or higher. It is hoped, as has historically been the case, that by the time the student is in a situation that he/she might be low and in trouble, the student will have been involved in discussions such as this, and will be able to make an informed decision as to what he/she will do in any situation. This used to be accomplished during after hours or rainy day beer drinking sessions, but now, thanks to Sangrio, those who don't hang out and hear the wisdom (and great stories) of the old timers, can get good information online. These polls are an awesome way to make us all think about how we would handle a bad situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #20 June 3, 2001 We had this happen at our dz. The guy had a bag lock and didn't cut it away before going for the reserve. The opening shock of the reserve was enough to unlock the malfunction and he found himself under two side by side canopies. He was able to get himself to an open field and despite the down wind landing, walked away shaken but un-injured. After seeing that if I ever get a bag lock I'll be chopping it.:-)Susan (looks like I'm still anonymous) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Deleted 0 #15 June 1, 2001 Sangiro said--I believe you are right! My wording in that poll sucks! the intentions were right...then I got the wrong malfunction up there. Safe swoopsSangiro DB--Why do you say that your wording sucks? The majority vote was correct for the "question asked," be it the intended question or not.You asked in your post--You have a bag-lock malfunction falling through 2000 ft, you....DB--By definition, a bag lock malfunction implies that the bag is off your back with one of the stows not released for whatever reason. This is considered a partial malfunction, and should be cut-away to avoid possible reserve entanglement.As far as PC's in tow, I would hope that the recommend response to them in well known.Now let's have a poll for horseshoe malfunctions, which are much more dangerous!Dave Brownell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #16 June 1, 2001 Sangiro,I agree. Somehow I thought you meant container lock and that is why I marked just pull the reserve. I guess I was second guessing the wording. :)Malachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #17 June 1, 2001 QuoteMy training was if you've pulled one handle, you have to pull the other two. Anybody else hear that in the FJC? Do you think it's useful (makes sense to me...) or were they just trying not to cram our little how-fo brains with too much info and too many scenarios?That's how I heard it also Palmetto. It saves time trying to think "hmm, what kind of mal is this and what's the right thing to do with this one?"...just cut and pull out the reserve automatically. Gives you less to think about and less chance of choosing wrong!Pammi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #18 June 1, 2001 Quotejust cut and pull out the reserve automaticallyOuch. The problem with this is that if you have a container lock, there is a chance it can open when the reserve container does (releasing the pressure), and you can have the now cut away main foul your inflating reserve. Granted, the not cut away one might also, and you have to deal with two canopies out, but the theory is your chances are better giving your main a normal deployment sequence.Or has drug use in my youth caused me to make a misjudgement here? Carl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #19 June 2, 2001 A student is taught in the FJC to pull all handles. Pammi is correct in that this helps to decrease the chances of second guessing the correct emergency procedures. In this case, at 2 grand, of course you cut away and pull the oh-shit handle. BUT, students are also taught this because students should pull at 3500' or higher. It is hoped, as has historically been the case, that by the time the student is in a situation that he/she might be low and in trouble, the student will have been involved in discussions such as this, and will be able to make an informed decision as to what he/she will do in any situation. This used to be accomplished during after hours or rainy day beer drinking sessions, but now, thanks to Sangrio, those who don't hang out and hear the wisdom (and great stories) of the old timers, can get good information online. These polls are an awesome way to make us all think about how we would handle a bad situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #20 June 3, 2001 We had this happen at our dz. The guy had a bag lock and didn't cut it away before going for the reserve. The opening shock of the reserve was enough to unlock the malfunction and he found himself under two side by side canopies. He was able to get himself to an open field and despite the down wind landing, walked away shaken but un-injured. After seeing that if I ever get a bag lock I'll be chopping it.:-)Susan (looks like I'm still anonymous) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
