Mel Gibson's "Passion" film

[chuteless 1]

Today, Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ" filnm is being released across Canada.

I have read a lot about the film, but as a born again Christian, I don't have any desire to see the film.

First, I think Gibson has over brutalized the depiction, although I know Christ must have suffered unbearable anguish, especially in the scourging by the Romans.

I know why Christ died, so I dont have the need to have Mel Gibson tell me through his film.

Jesus Christ said "No man taketh my life from me, but I lay it down of myself"

The death of Christ on the cross is the very reason He came into the world, because without his sacrifice, no person would ever enter Heaven.

The film is graphically violent, perhaps more than necessary, but I dont need to witness that kind of violence.

I know there is some Anti-semetic feelings throughout the world, particularly in the Arab countries, and I think in few years, people will look back on this film to reinforce the increase in anti-semetic behaviour.

The time will come, ( and not too far away) that anti-semetism will be such that will make the holocaust look like a weekend picnic..

I saw the film "Saving Private Ryan" and I wouldnt watch it again. Far too much violence, and even though having been a historian , I know W W II and W W I were as terrible as shown in the film, I dont need to see it. Totally uncalled for.

Is there any wonder young kids are growing up and becoming violent against othrs.


Bill Cole

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Bill, i think the reason mel gibson made this video was to show people that DONT know about the suffering Christ went through, a wake up call of sorts.

[Nightingale 0]

the problem with that theory is that the film lacks context. people who haven't read the gospel would have trouble understanding the real meaning behind the story.

(I haven't seen it, but I have read the script. I was curious about the film but don't have much of a stomach for movie gore)

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Bill, i think the reason mel gibson made this video was to show people that DONT know about the suffering Christ went through, a wake up call of sorts.

My thoughts exactly. I think we should, as Christians, support the work Mel has done. Even if it is just by buying the DVD.

This film is certainly gotta be better than some of the crap being put out there by other director/producers.

Bill,

I certainly respect your opinion and have no problem with your take on it.

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No offense to your religious beliefs, but Primates have been beating on each other since they could pick ups sticks, most notably, the Australopithicines; it is nothing new, it is the nature of the beast.

As a child, I have always wondered why Christ looked 'moderately' wounded on the cross. He just looked like His feelings were hurt (mine would be too). As an adult you realize the brutality and resistance it would take to crucify someone and on that note, I believe its a cinematic duty for Gibson to go to that truth.

I understand that you do not like violence in film and for that you should not see it. My belief is that it is just a film. The media is doing nothing but stirring the pot and making a LOT of money for Mel, don't blame him, that's the way the game is played.

There are other reasons to watch the film--to examine how Gibson directs, to see details in set designs, costuming, and camera work.

I would LIKE to believe that people aren't going to go out and attack Jews because they saw a film. That is a act of ignorance; and just because there are ignorant people in the world, the rest of the world should NOT be deprived of the perspective of an artist. Education is the only combatant of ignorance.

I had a conversation with my 16 year old son this morning about the film and I handed him the Bible and said, if you want to know more..look in here and see how YOU see it. I owe it to him to hand him the tools to educate himself and come to his own conclusions.

I applaud your decision to avoid the film, but the the media controversy of 'violence and antisemitism' only makes for curiosity and a bigger box office. ~~April

Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo!

[chuteless 1]

Perhaps you are correct> I know what Christ went through...and its true, many dont. Maybe a wakeup call is what it is.

I stand by what I said about in the future, many will recall the film in support of anti-semitism...which will be greater than ever before.

Bill Cole

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The time will come, ( and not too far away) that anti-semetism will be such that will make the holocaust look like a weekend picnic..

Where did you get this bit of info?

Kelly

[chuteless 1]

from the Bible...its there is you want to search it out.

Bill Cole

[kelel01 1]

I'll check with the prophet.

Are you talking about Revelations?

Kelly

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As an adult you realize the brutality and resistance it would take to crucify someone and on that note, I believe its a cinematic duty for Gibson to go to that truth.

It's my understanding that crucifixion was considered by the Romans to be their worst form of punishment, because it's a very long, slow, agonizing form of death.

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I understand that you do not like violence in film and for that you should not see it. My belief is that it is just a film. The media is doing nothing but stirring the pot and making a LOT of money for Mel, don't blame him, that's the way the game is played.

There's no business like show business... right, Quade?

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There are other reasons to watch the film--to examine how Gibson directs, to see details in set designs, costuming, and camera work.

Hear, hear. I'm curious about the film for technical reasons too, as I am for most movies, but it kinda spoils the fun.

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I would LIKE to believe that people aren't going to go out and attack Jews because they saw a film. That is a act of ignorance; and just because there are ignorant people in the world, the rest of the world should NOT be deprived of the perspective of an artist. Education is the only combatant of ignorance.

Seems unlikely to me. In my opinion, there just isn't that kind of religious fanaticism in the West anymore, but why doesn't anybody make a film about Mohammed? Inquiring minds want to know.

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I had a conversation with my 16 year old son this morning about the film and I handed him the Bible and said, if you want to know more..look in here and see how YOU see it. I owe it to him to hand him the tools to educate himself and come to his own conclusions.

Only part of the picture. "The Histories" by Josephus would be helpful as well.

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I applaud your decision to avoid the film, but the the media controversy of 'violence and antisemitism' only makes for curiosity and a bigger box office. ~~April

Truth.

mh

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[chuteless 1]

Its found in many books of the Bible. The holocaust is found in Ezekiel, the end times (which is what we are living in) is found in daniel, Jeremiah.

and in Revelation.

Its not a metter of just reading over it and it jumps out at you, Christ said "SEARCH the scriptures for they are they which testify of me".

You cannot get the real meaning behind much of the scriptures simply by reading them, and not seraching and cross referencing them.

Bill Cole (and I'm no prophet)

[kelel01 1]

I was referring to the actual prophet. And I will consult what he has said on the matter, if anything.

Thanks.

Kelly

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I saw the film "Saving Private Ryan" and I wouldnt watch it again. Far too much violence, and even though having been a historian , I know W W II and W W I were as terrible as shown in the film, I dont need to see it. Totally uncalled for.

By that reasoning, why make any movie that involves violence? People like to watch that stuff obviously. Whether it is historical or not, most of the movies made are hollywood glorified bullshit.

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Is there any wonder young kids are growing up and becoming violent against others.

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are you f-ing kidding me. So, violence in movies and TV are the cause of increased violence? I suppose the very men who tortured our savior did so after a healthy diet of texas chainsaw massacre. (Note to you- the world, and by extension your god, are is extremely violent .) The faith which you hold so dear is the catalyst/propagate of most violence in this world. The ability to blindly follow what is fed to you and not what reason dictates allows the ignorant to be ignorant i.e. hate gays (in the name of loving them), and so on. The very fact that you cannot recognize the hypocrisies in A) Faith and B) your own statements only reinforces the fact that most christens/jews/muslims by the very definition of their faith, lack a judgment commensurate with the solemnity of the reality in which we all co-exist.

According to the bible….. God created man 6000 years ago. God gave man “free will” so man could choose between good and evil. There was only one catch…. You see God made a big point of not giving man the knowledge to distinguish good from evil. He only gave that to apples. Not being an apple, man, quite predictably, stumbled upon evil. Feigning surprise, God played to his strength….Wrath. And decided the only fair thing to do was….. blame EVERYONE. And torture them in hell. But first, He killed them in a horrible flood. Many years later, still reserving the right to torture people in hell, God thought of a gruesome way for people to atone for someone else eating an apple. Believing that an apology isn’t sincere unless it bleeds, God decided to kill an innocent victim…..Jesus!!!!!

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[chuteless 1]

You are right about one thing. Jesus was perfectly innocent, and therefore was the ONLY one that could be sacrificed for you and me. A scarifice of anyone or anything less than perfect before God would be no sacrifice at all.

Christ was born to be sacrificed on the cross, and He knew it. He also said (His very words) "NO MAN taketh my life..I lay it down of myself "(he was in fact willing to be crucified for mankind)

He also said " I have the power to lay it down, and I have the powwer to take it again" (through his resurrection.)

That is what Hedid.

The fact that people like you dont want to accept him, is your problem....it may not present a problem now in 2004, but rest assured, it will when you stand before him and try to explain your rejection of his sacrifice.

I'd wish you "good luck" but luck doesnt have anything to do with it...It is your fateful decision.

Bill Cole

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Is there any wonder young kids are growing up and becoming violent against othrs.

I find this line to be the biggest cop-out on the face of this planet as for why people are "becoming" violent. The reason for more violence is the lack of parenting. I have always watched violent movies, whether they be of "action" or "horror" genres. Does that fact alone make me more prone to violence than anybody who doesn't/hasn't watched these movies?? DEFINATELY NOT. People need to teach their children that there are consequences to actions and that there are proper ways to treat other people rather than just blaming their lack of self control on movies/TV/video games.

Austin

[chuteless 1]

You are partly right, but lack of parenting is allowing the children to have a constant diet of violence and pornography. That is where they learn. They have video games that their parents buy for them, which awards them pouints for killing people.

Its live as you are taught...and the parents allow it.

Bill Cole

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Since you can't handle reason lets try a little game. I'll ask you a question and you answer then you ask me a question and i'll answer. Let's see if we can hack through this and find some truth. My first question has two parts.
Q 1a Do you own anything?

Q 1b What did Jesus do to those who failed to sell all their possessions and give every dime to the Lord?(Hint- Think Acts 5: 1-10

[Phlip 0]

Since we're talking about this. Has anyone seen "the Gospel of John" which has been in the theater here in CA since last week?

I though it was a pretty good movie. Interesting.

How is Mel Gibson's film compared to "the gospel of John"?

Phlip

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Since you can't handle reason lets try a little game. I'll ask you a question and you answer then you ask me a question and i'll answer. Let's see if we can hack through this and find some truth. My first question has two parts.
Q 1a Do you own anything?

Q 1b What did Jesus do to those who failed to sell all their possessions and give every dime to the Lord?(Hint- Think Acts 5: 1-10

The point of the story can be derived midway through your bible reference, from ACT 5:4:

"While it remained unsold, did it not remain yours? And when it was sold, was it not still under your control? Why did you contrive this deed? You have lied not to human beings, but to God."

The person involved did not HAVE to sell the land, or shed all their posessions. This is not about land, about money, or about having to give everything to God as you suggested.

It is about lying to God. It is about trying to make yourself look good before God, before the congregation, and before the world by claiming to do a selfless deed in the name of God, and yet lying in the middle of it for one's own personal greed.

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[chuteless 1]

Sorry in being so long to answer your "questions".

About six years ago, I had just completed setting up a shop, where I was building full scale aircraft. I also had an amazing collection of aviation art, many signed by the pilots from germany and Canada that were depicted in the prints .One print cost me over $500.00.
One day I walked outside and told a friend that I wasnt going to build any more planes, and he asked me "WHY?"

I told him, because Im going to work for the Lord.

He asked me what I was going to do.

I replied, " I dont know, He hasnt told me yet"

I immediately put everything I own up for sale at an auction, and gave the money to my daughter. The print that cost me $500.00 was sold for $100.00 and $25.00 of that went to the auctioneer.

I rent a home apartment now, I own an old car, I still have a couple of chutes, and that is about it.

I really dont consider that I even own those, because the Lord provides for me, and everything I have is His, especially my heart and soul.

I work for the Lord on a continuing basis, and you'd be amazed if you could spend some time and see what I have accomplished.


I hope that answers your question.


Bill Cole D-41

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And all of this is said while taking in the other religions that were defined before Christianity??

Organized religion is here for you to follow what other people want you to follow....

Think for yourself.

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"Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value."

[chuteless 1]

not quite true. Christianity is a continuation of the Judeo religion, as per the Old Testament being followed by the New Testament. However, there is only 1 Bible that can be called the definitive WORD of God, and that is the King James version of 1611which contains both Testaments, a total of 66 books.

All other versions ( i.e. NIV, RISV etc etc etc are PERversions, published ( for the most part) by Zondervan Publishing in Grand rapis Mich., and solely as a means of profit making. They all have copyrights, which the KJV does not have.

Zondervan in their arrogance thinks that their company "owns" the WORD of God.


Bill Cole

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"But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? . . . And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. . . . Then fell [Sapphira] straightway at [Peter's] feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband." Acts 5:1-10.

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost,AND KEEP BACK PART OF THE PRICE OF THE LAND

The underlined sentence implies that the act was as contentious as the lie.

[airdweller 0]

> there is only 1 Bible that can be called the definitive WORD of God <

according to you. I personally like to think that God is much grander than that.

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