Dangerousmind86 0 #1 April 14, 2007 Just purchased a nearly new, 11 jumps used, Pisa Sonic 190. It is my understanding they are of slightly elliptical shape, open a little hard and that they pack a little large due to some pretty hardcore ZP material used. I did a search and checked out gear reviews and basicly got nothing. So Lets Hear IT! It'll be loaded 1.2/1 so any ideas flight characteristics? Oh and 450 shipped is a good deal yes? Come on people!!!!ANDY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #2 April 14, 2007 Andy Do you know the DOM (Date of Manufature) of this canopy the Sonic has not been produced for over 8yrs if memory serves me correct. So eitherm this canopy was hardly jumped and then stored or the nearly new only 11 jumps was pure iused car sales man talk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerousmind86 0 #3 April 14, 2007 ya its ten years old but???ANDY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerousmind86 0 #4 April 14, 2007 Allright so 33 people have read this and have know helpful input? I'll be loading it 1.2/1 if that helps. Come on people help a guy out.Thanks! ANDY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivezimbabwe 0 #5 April 15, 2007 We have a number of Sonics from Quote150, 170 to 190. We have about 12 still in use. It is a semi-eliptical canopy. It has a hard opening characteristic which can normally be solved by using a larger/pocket slider. All of ours have sponsorship logos which would contribute to doggish behaviour. We don't like issuing them to low jumpers because they have a tendency to loose a lot of height in the turn. Sonics are good for CReW and behave well in planes and stacks. The Pilot canopies have replaced them as intermediate canopies for students progressing from Skymasters.Rob-By Check it out at http://www.skydive.co.zw Clicky! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dangerousmind86 0 #6 April 15, 2007 Thanks for the input!ANDY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #7 April 16, 2007 I did some jumps on one long, long ago, towards the end of last century. My recollections were that they opened hard, and dived well, but that the toggle pressure was very high, especially when airspeed was high. I recall some severe injuries when people simply never had the power to dig themselves out of a low turn and impacted acordingly. $450 sounds steep. There are many newer and better designs that can be picked up for that price and relined that will be good for several hundred jumps. 11 jumps in ten years probably explains all there is to know. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #8 April 16, 2007 Update! I just bought one. I've been thinking about getting a pond rig for some time. Found one that's been on the shelf somewhere for 9 years. Last reserve packjob is 1998. It has a Vulcan harness (Vector 2 copy) and a Sonic 150 main. Wanted something that dries fast (parapack) and can deal with a lot of repacks in it's remaining 4 years of life. Whole thing for $270. I'll probably burn the main as a ritual sacrifice.t It's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kaerodyne 0 #9 April 16, 2007 QuoteThe Pilot canopies have replaced them as intermediate canopies for students progressing from Skymasters. I would have to disagree with this statement, the Hornet was the canopy that replaced the Sonic in the PISA product line. The Pilot by far is a more all round canopy than both the Sonic or Hornet, and is a great start up canopy a light WL and an awesome canopy to fly and land at a higher WL. Blue Skies Karl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivezimbabwe 0 #10 April 21, 2007 Sorry for the wrong emphasis. We have replaced our sonic canopies with pilot 190 canopies for intermediate jumpers progressing from our skymasters. With a higher wing loading the Pilot performs well for advanced jumpers.Rob-By Check it out at http://www.skydive.co.zw Clicky! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peckerhead 0 #11 April 21, 2007 What exactly is the difference between the Pilot and the Hornet? Jumped them both. The Hornet cost half as much and was much easier to pack. (better fabric) Other than that they seem identical. IMNSHO the Pilot is just a copy of the Hornet.... Change the name, double the price. Brilliant! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #12 April 22, 2007 They fly differently as far as I am concerned. I have a pilot 168 and a hornet 170, I have about 100 jumps on my pilot, and 35 jumps on the hornet. The hornet has a glide in full flight that is little less flat than the pilot. I think the pilot flies better in deep brakes. The hornet loses more altitude with toggle turns. It has a stronger flare. Or I could be on crack. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Dangerousmind86 0 #6 April 15, 2007 Thanks for the input!ANDY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #7 April 16, 2007 I did some jumps on one long, long ago, towards the end of last century. My recollections were that they opened hard, and dived well, but that the toggle pressure was very high, especially when airspeed was high. I recall some severe injuries when people simply never had the power to dig themselves out of a low turn and impacted acordingly. $450 sounds steep. There are many newer and better designs that can be picked up for that price and relined that will be good for several hundred jumps. 11 jumps in ten years probably explains all there is to know. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #8 April 16, 2007 Update! I just bought one. I've been thinking about getting a pond rig for some time. Found one that's been on the shelf somewhere for 9 years. Last reserve packjob is 1998. It has a Vulcan harness (Vector 2 copy) and a Sonic 150 main. Wanted something that dries fast (parapack) and can deal with a lot of repacks in it's remaining 4 years of life. Whole thing for $270. I'll probably burn the main as a ritual sacrifice.t It's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #9 April 16, 2007 QuoteThe Pilot canopies have replaced them as intermediate canopies for students progressing from Skymasters. I would have to disagree with this statement, the Hornet was the canopy that replaced the Sonic in the PISA product line. The Pilot by far is a more all round canopy than both the Sonic or Hornet, and is a great start up canopy a light WL and an awesome canopy to fly and land at a higher WL. Blue Skies Karl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivezimbabwe 0 #10 April 21, 2007 Sorry for the wrong emphasis. We have replaced our sonic canopies with pilot 190 canopies for intermediate jumpers progressing from our skymasters. With a higher wing loading the Pilot performs well for advanced jumpers.Rob-By Check it out at http://www.skydive.co.zw Clicky! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #11 April 21, 2007 What exactly is the difference between the Pilot and the Hornet? Jumped them both. The Hornet cost half as much and was much easier to pack. (better fabric) Other than that they seem identical. IMNSHO the Pilot is just a copy of the Hornet.... Change the name, double the price. Brilliant! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #12 April 22, 2007 They fly differently as far as I am concerned. I have a pilot 168 and a hornet 170, I have about 100 jumps on my pilot, and 35 jumps on the hornet. The hornet has a glide in full flight that is little less flat than the pilot. I think the pilot flies better in deep brakes. The hornet loses more altitude with toggle turns. It has a stronger flare. Or I could be on crack. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
