Nico1978 0 #1 March 28, 2007 Hey skydivers! I bet quite a few ppl already asked this kind of question, and I am therefore very sorry to do it too, but I need your help! Here's it: I did AFF last year and were able to do about 60 jumps since then. Now it is about time to get my first own gear - unfortunately I have this feeling I get cheated on anytime I wanna buy a rig! I did check out a couple, but anytime I showed that rig to another person than the owner, ppl told me that the rig was shitty and the price way too much. So right now I am pretty careful about buying a rig or not. Anyways, this is what was offered me now: Container: JAVELIN dom: 1992 (I know it is old, bit it is in really good shape since it was not jumped that often - had it just checked, too) Main: Sabre1 150sqft. dom: 2000 (I was told about 400 jumps) Reserve: MicroRaven 150sqft. dom: 92 AAD: Cypres 2 Expert dom: 2005 The current owner offered the equipment to me for 2200 Euros ( equals approx. 2900 US-$). Now my question: DFo you think this is an acceptable price for that equipment? For some reason this sounds a little too much to me (although it includes a CYPRES2)! Dunno whether I am right or not - what do you guys think about it??? What would you pay for that? I'd be sooo happy for some response - I really want to get a rig (btw I can't afford a new one right now) cause I am just addicted as u to that wonderful sport! Thank you so much in advance! Always blue skies and safe landings, Nico p.s. please excuse my bad english - I am from germany! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #2 March 28, 2007 2200 euro sounds about right, yes. Maybe 2000 is better. But is the rig right for you? For a 150 at 60 jumps you shouldn't weigh more than 65kg. What have you jumped before? A sabre 150 might open hard, have you jumped this particular canopy. Does the harness fit you. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nico1978 0 #3 March 28, 2007 Hey dragon2, thx for your reply at first! Well, imo it does fit pretty good - as far as I can tell (haven't had the chance to jump it yet). And, errrr, I do weigh 73kg - but did jump a 150sqft. sabre1 for the last 10 times. I heard about the rough openings, but I was also told about the quality of that canopy (maybe I am wrong???) Thx for answers - it does help a lot! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 0 #4 March 28, 2007 73 kg gives you a wl of slightly over 1.2 which wouldn't be allowed in The Netherlands, also a 150 wouldn't be allowed <100 jumps anyway. That said, it is not totally unreasonable if your instructors agree, just be careful with it. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nico1978 0 #5 March 28, 2007 Thank you, Saskia! I know I gotta be careful - and that's what I am doing. No 'experiments' at all. BlueS, Nico p.s. nice hp u got there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 259 #6 March 28, 2007 1992 Javelin - US$400 Sabre 150 - US$400-500 (Are the lines original? If so you'll probably want to reline it soon; US$200ish to have that done) MR150 - US$300-400 (Do NOT load this over 1.0 body weight - so if you weigh more than 150 pounds, it's not a good choice. They weren't designed to handle and don't land well at wingloadings higher than 1.0.) Cypres2 - US$1000 I wouldn't pay more than US$2300 for that rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billstap 0 #7 March 28, 2007 i just purchased my first rig as well, jav ody J4 DOM 7/04, with brand new pd 176, cypress with 2 yrs left on it, the harness was completely replaced by sunpath to my exact measurements($400 include in price) and and the system itself has every option possible, and all foam was replaced and the main is a sabre 210 ---- $3400 us dollar for all cheers blue skies!!! billy:) hope this helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 0 #8 March 28, 2007 QuoteI wouldn't pay more than US$2300 for that rig. Yeah but those are US prices Over here you pay about 25% more just to import. For Dutch etc gear prices it's about 1 usd to 1 euro ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites michalm21 0 #9 March 28, 2007 Seems a little high to me. Just for comparison, last summer I paid $3500 for vector 3, sabre2 190, pd reserve 193, and cypres2. All manufactured in 2003 (so 3 years old). Keep looking around. ------------------------- edited for spelling nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RandomLemming 0 #10 March 29, 2007 Do you weigh 72KG or is that your exit weight ? I weigh 71KG, with an exit weight of about 84KG in the winter, and a 190 is plenty fast for me. Are your instructors happy with you at that wing loading ? I know that most people are better under canopy than me at similar jump counts :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nico1978 0 #11 April 11, 2007 that would be my weight in my 'b-day-suit'.... is that too much? At my dropzone this does not seem to concern anyone.... Hmmm I am a little confused now... Any other opinions on that??? Thx 4 reply! BlueS, Nico Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RandomLemming 0 #12 April 11, 2007 Well, I figure that gives you an exit weight similar to mine - around 80 - 84KG with your rig. That means you have a wing loading of around 1.18... call it 1.2 even. Personally, I wouldn't be jumping that high a wing loading this early in my career... I won't be there until at least 100 jumps, but I guess it's a personal thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
dragon2 0 #4 March 28, 2007 73 kg gives you a wl of slightly over 1.2 which wouldn't be allowed in The Netherlands, also a 150 wouldn't be allowed <100 jumps anyway. That said, it is not totally unreasonable if your instructors agree, just be careful with it. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nico1978 0 #5 March 28, 2007 Thank you, Saskia! I know I gotta be careful - and that's what I am doing. No 'experiments' at all. BlueS, Nico p.s. nice hp u got there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 259 #6 March 28, 2007 1992 Javelin - US$400 Sabre 150 - US$400-500 (Are the lines original? If so you'll probably want to reline it soon; US$200ish to have that done) MR150 - US$300-400 (Do NOT load this over 1.0 body weight - so if you weigh more than 150 pounds, it's not a good choice. They weren't designed to handle and don't land well at wingloadings higher than 1.0.) Cypres2 - US$1000 I wouldn't pay more than US$2300 for that rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billstap 0 #7 March 28, 2007 i just purchased my first rig as well, jav ody J4 DOM 7/04, with brand new pd 176, cypress with 2 yrs left on it, the harness was completely replaced by sunpath to my exact measurements($400 include in price) and and the system itself has every option possible, and all foam was replaced and the main is a sabre 210 ---- $3400 us dollar for all cheers blue skies!!! billy:) hope this helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 0 #8 March 28, 2007 QuoteI wouldn't pay more than US$2300 for that rig. Yeah but those are US prices Over here you pay about 25% more just to import. For Dutch etc gear prices it's about 1 usd to 1 euro ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites michalm21 0 #9 March 28, 2007 Seems a little high to me. Just for comparison, last summer I paid $3500 for vector 3, sabre2 190, pd reserve 193, and cypres2. All manufactured in 2003 (so 3 years old). Keep looking around. ------------------------- edited for spelling nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RandomLemming 0 #10 March 29, 2007 Do you weigh 72KG or is that your exit weight ? I weigh 71KG, with an exit weight of about 84KG in the winter, and a 190 is plenty fast for me. Are your instructors happy with you at that wing loading ? I know that most people are better under canopy than me at similar jump counts :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nico1978 0 #11 April 11, 2007 that would be my weight in my 'b-day-suit'.... is that too much? At my dropzone this does not seem to concern anyone.... Hmmm I am a little confused now... Any other opinions on that??? Thx 4 reply! BlueS, Nico Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RandomLemming 0 #12 April 11, 2007 Well, I figure that gives you an exit weight similar to mine - around 80 - 84KG with your rig. That means you have a wing loading of around 1.18... call it 1.2 even. Personally, I wouldn't be jumping that high a wing loading this early in my career... I won't be there until at least 100 jumps, but I guess it's a personal thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
skybytch 259 #6 March 28, 2007 1992 Javelin - US$400 Sabre 150 - US$400-500 (Are the lines original? If so you'll probably want to reline it soon; US$200ish to have that done) MR150 - US$300-400 (Do NOT load this over 1.0 body weight - so if you weigh more than 150 pounds, it's not a good choice. They weren't designed to handle and don't land well at wingloadings higher than 1.0.) Cypres2 - US$1000 I wouldn't pay more than US$2300 for that rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billstap 0 #7 March 28, 2007 i just purchased my first rig as well, jav ody J4 DOM 7/04, with brand new pd 176, cypress with 2 yrs left on it, the harness was completely replaced by sunpath to my exact measurements($400 include in price) and and the system itself has every option possible, and all foam was replaced and the main is a sabre 210 ---- $3400 us dollar for all cheers blue skies!!! billy:) hope this helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #8 March 28, 2007 QuoteI wouldn't pay more than US$2300 for that rig. Yeah but those are US prices Over here you pay about 25% more just to import. For Dutch etc gear prices it's about 1 usd to 1 euro ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michalm21 0 #9 March 28, 2007 Seems a little high to me. Just for comparison, last summer I paid $3500 for vector 3, sabre2 190, pd reserve 193, and cypres2. All manufactured in 2003 (so 3 years old). Keep looking around. ------------------------- edited for spelling nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RandomLemming 0 #10 March 29, 2007 Do you weigh 72KG or is that your exit weight ? I weigh 71KG, with an exit weight of about 84KG in the winter, and a 190 is plenty fast for me. Are your instructors happy with you at that wing loading ? I know that most people are better under canopy than me at similar jump counts :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nico1978 0 #11 April 11, 2007 that would be my weight in my 'b-day-suit'.... is that too much? At my dropzone this does not seem to concern anyone.... Hmmm I am a little confused now... Any other opinions on that??? Thx 4 reply! BlueS, Nico Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RandomLemming 0 #12 April 11, 2007 Well, I figure that gives you an exit weight similar to mine - around 80 - 84KG with your rig. That means you have a wing loading of around 1.18... call it 1.2 even. Personally, I wouldn't be jumping that high a wing loading this early in my career... I won't be there until at least 100 jumps, but I guess it's a personal thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
RandomLemming 0 #12 April 11, 2007 Well, I figure that gives you an exit weight similar to mine - around 80 - 84KG with your rig. That means you have a wing loading of around 1.18... call it 1.2 even. Personally, I wouldn't be jumping that high a wing loading this early in my career... I won't be there until at least 100 jumps, but I guess it's a personal thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
