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    Unreported lost weapons used in a crime result in a higher penalty to include the loss of a firearms license.



    How are you going to prove that Glock was mine? There are no records. This is my point about the universal background check being required. Unless you have a database that shows who owns what firearms, you cannot prove that firearm ever belonged to me (or whomever).

    Derek V

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    Holy shit, man. C'mon. That's like saying the murder laws are unenforceable because you can't convict someone based only on the testimony of a single co-conspirator. No, you can't, you have to find other evidence. What other evidence? That's your question. There are a million answers, I'm not going to list them. Here's one: a third party witness. "Did you see person A hand person B this weapon?" "Yes." (Gasp) Enforcement!



    You keep missing my point. Without a gun registry that proves who bought what guns, you are not going to convict anyone. I have several firearms without serial numbers, legally.

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    I'm simply pointing out that a better solution would be to strengthen it while also closing up some of the holes.



    No worries. And I agree that things should be and could be better.

    More police in higher crime areas. I know that taxes would have to go up to pay for it, but I would vote yes for that. More money for mental health. Free health insurance. I am for these things and they would help.

    Derek V

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    Well, if your idea of protecting children in school includes weapons and firing, then you do want to be able to fire guns in a school. You just think that you can choose when (and you're undoubtedly right).

    Unfortunately, there are at least 50,000,000 other people who feel the same way. Estimate of gun-owning households at 42%, assuming only one gun-owner per household. Not necessarily a good assumption, but it underestimates the number of people, rather than overestimating, which is better from a truth point of view.

    What are the chances that all of those 50,000,000 people are right? And that they're right that their violent cousin-in-law isn't ever ever ever going to get their hands on one of their guns?



    I don't have a solution. I know that gun control, short of all guns going away, except military and police, won't make much difference.

    Derek V

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    Precisely.

    As nothing can ever be 100% certain all of this discussion is pointless.

    Your stance is 'unless it's instantly and 100% perfect I'm not willing to accept any change'.
    Therefore you're just the noise Wendy was talking about.



    No, because criminals are not going to install your GPS device. Or they will remove them.

    See above for some changes I am for. My stance is NOT, "'unless it's instantly and 100% perfect I'm not willing to accept any change'. "

    Derek V

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    I'm not missing, the point. You are being intentionally obtuse. The criminal fingering the seller would not be the only evidence used to convict. It would start the investigation. Would they always be able to find additional evidence, of course not. But they would sometimes, and in those cases you have (gasp) enforcement of your unenforceable rule.



    What other evidence?

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    it is not a complete solution.



    No, it isn't. The only complete solution is to confiscate all firearms and ban the sell or possession of them.

    You accused me of; "Also, thanks for proving what I suspected all along. You aren't interested in making any changes at all."

    Now you are moving the goalposts. I offered changes I am for and now you complain that it "it is not a complete solution."

    Derek V

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    I can't recall of a single case of mass murder being committed with a CYPRES. Maybe Derek can inform us.



    I can't recall a single instance of someone using an AAD to defend themselves from an attacker. Maybe John can inform us.

    This is really getting silly. Can we please stop this?

    Derek V

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    Let's put it this way - would you accept a revision to my idea that stops guns from being fired in schools?
    All guns must be fitted with an auto-off system which prevents them firing in those locations?



    If you could ensure that 100% of the guns in the US were outfitted with this technology and couldn't be bypassed, I would be all for it. But that just isn't possible.

    Derek V

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    I live in the UK, and currently own 3 firearms - a pump action Remington 870 (limited to 3 rounds), a Remington 700 chambered for .308 and a Beretta ARX160 (semi-auto only and chambered for .22LR). I use all of them on my local range and for hunting (food, not trophy). I've had to submit to a full criminal record check, had police officers visit my home and inspect both my gun and ammunition safes and any changes to the guns I hold have to be notified to the police. It's not a massive inconvenience, usually just a phone call to the local firearms officer. I have permission to hunt rabbit and pigeon on the local estates, I occasionally travel to Scotland to hunt deer and I enjoy range time with all three weapons.



    And which of these laws/procedures(?) would prevent someone from using their firearms(s) to commit murder?

    Derek V

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    Hence my suggested law that IS enforceable, but you won't consider because you don't want to give up your right to be able to shoot in a school.



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    No matter how many times you say this it doesn't make it any more likely that I'm going to get depressed and go and kill a load of students with my Cypres.



    And no matter how many times you say I want the "right to be able to shoot in a school", doesn't make it any more true.

    Derek V

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    I suspect that many suspects who obtained their weapon illegally will in fact offer up the person they got it from. Perps flip on their best friends all the time. You assume that when the guy they fingered denies it the police will just throw up their hands and quit. If that were how law enforcement investigations worked then no one would ever get convicted of anything. Luckily they don't, except perhaps when the state police have decided they don't want to enforce a law, like in Colorado.



    You are not going to prosecute anyone with only the word of a criminal that is getting a reduced sentence in exchange. You keep missing my point. You have to be able to prove they sold the firearm. Innocent until proven guilty.

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    Also, thanks for proving what I suspected all along. You aren't interested in making any changes at all. You've set the bar at, "doesn't restrict any freedom that I or anyone else currently enjoy, whether Constitutionally protected or not." Reduced to its logical conclusion, that means no new laws whatsoever. It also implies enforcement of current laws shouldn't be strengthened, because that might also inconvenience you, which you have now defined as the loss of freedom.



    Wrong.

    I think we should ban bump stocks. I think we should increase the funding for the NICS system so that the 72-hour law is never used. I think the 72-hour law should be doubled to 144 hours. I think that states and the military should ensure that anyone that should not pass the NICs background check be put on the list within 24 hours. This is just off the top of my head.

    Derek V

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    Sure it is. Like many laws it is mostly enforceable after the fact, of course. There is no Pre-Crime unit. If someone is caught with a firearm during the investigation of another crime it is pretty easy to ask where they got it, and simultaneously track the serial number. If the stories don't match up, you have pretty good probable cause. And yes, gun registration would make it significantly easier, but it is not a requirement.



    No, it isn't. In your example, why would the bad guy tell the investigator where they got the firearm? For a reduced sentence? OK, now you go to the person they named and they say they didn't sell them the gun. Now what?

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    I don't see that as a Constitutionally protected freedom. The right to keep and bear arms doesn't say anything about the right to pass out guns to anyone you want.



    You are moving the goal post. from freedom to constitutionally protected freedom......

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    Again, not a Constitutionally



    Again, goalposts.

    Derek V

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    NOTHING is enforceable if it can be circumvented just by driving a few miles. That is why any action needs to be nation wide.



    It is not enforceable unless you track who owns which guns in a database.

    Derek V

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    Hence my suggested law that IS enforceable, but you won't consider because you don't want to give up your right to be able to shoot in a school.



    Do you have your cell phone settings so that it is disabled while you are in a moving vehicle?

    Do you have a breathalyzer/immobilizer installed in your vehicle(s)?

    Do you have a device that limits your vehicle's top speed to the speed limit?

    Don't want to give up your right to get drunk and do 110-mph through the playground while checking facebook?

    When I play by your rules, the game gets MUCH easier........

    Derek V

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    No need to defend yourself if guns don't work in public.



    You will never get 100% of the guns to have your GPS/trigger interrupter installed.

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    And talking of minorities, would you like to compare statistics of gun owners vs gun owners who have ACTUALLY had to use a gun to defend themselves while they're out of their home?



    Is that number similar to the percentage of skydivers ACTUALLY saved by their AAD?

    Derek V

  22. A- Without 100% gun registration, that law is not enforcable. It is not a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    B- The freedom to loan a friend a rifle to take hunting or the range. The freedom to go buy an 11+ round magazine. When the ASW ban was law, and you could only buy 10-rounds or less magazines, people switched form 9mm to .45. Not exactly the result they were looking for.

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    Ban private sales of guns completely - everything HAS to go through a licensed gun dealer. Like escrow.



    We have that in Colorado. It is not enforceable.

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    Give gun dealers access to a mental health database. If someone is flagged on that then no sale is allowed and the cops are notified.



    We have the NICS background check. The military is getting it's act together. That system needs to be improved so that anyone that should not be allowed to purchase a firearm is placed on that list very quickly. Also, it needs to be staffed well enough that the 72-hour rule is never used.

    As for a mental health database, how does one get put on it? Ho does one get removed from it? Remember, you are denying someone's constitutional right, do not take it lightly.

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    Make becoming a transfer center real audit of capability each year (secret spot checks and the like to avoid pencil-whipping transfers).



    The ATF already does spot checks of FFL dealers.

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    If a gun is found to have changed hands without going through the escrow process, both parties (seller and buyer) get 5 years in jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.



    And how would you enforce this?

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    The problem with a system like this is that mental health is a massive grey area - what constitutes someone who can't own a firearm? I don't know...
    That's why it's much easier to police the items themselves than the people who use them.



    Much easier to take away rights from everyone (what is the percentage of law abiding vs. non-law abiding gun owners?) than address the issue. We could put breathalyzers in every vehicle. We could require manufacturers to make vehicles that cannot exceed the speed limit. We don't. Why?

    Derek V