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I think the question is did it come before the scotus to be reviewed? in order to rule they would have needed it to be brought before them
I find a couple of reasonable justifications in the Constitution challenged with the ACA.
Sorry, I was refering to the malitia act from 1792 that Kallend had posted. -
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe Militia Acts of 1792, passed by the Second Congress and signed into law by President Washington, mandated "every free able-bodied white male citizen ages 18 through 44 ... shall within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt and...not less than twenty-four cartridges..."
Apparently the Founding Fathers, who were still around, thought it Constitutional.
So if it's OK for guns and ammo, why not for health insurance?
No it is not ok, but someone with your education would know that the Marshal scotus' first decision was in 1791, when the formation of the scotus was just being introduced. this read will let you better understand why some laws passed back then that would not hold up today.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_the_United_States
Since the landmark decision of Marbury vs Madison didn't happen until 1803, in which the Supreme Court ruled that the federal courts have the duty to review the constitutionality of acts of Congress and to declare them void when they are contrary to the Constitution, you can understand why some laws were not overturned previously.
But the intent of the framers (a favorite of the righties like rushmc) was clear, since they were still around to object to this law, and didn't. George Washington, father of the nation, even signed the law.
I think the question is did it come before the scotus to be reviewed? in order to rule they would have needed it to be brought before them. -
QuoteMy wife used to work for an elderly care organization. Many of their clients were rural blacks. They don't have jobs now, although they had worked their whole lives. How many eighty year olds have jobs? They may not have filed taxes, I'm not sure, but I don't think a SSN was required until the last couple of decades. Many of these people did not have running water, and most did not have bank accounts. Their lives were anything but modern.
And yes, people like that are entitled to vote.
I'm not against ensuring one man, one vote, but these requirements must be structured in such a way that no one is disenfranchised. Requiring a government ID that you have to pay for, travel to a specific location far away to get, and may not even be able to obtain if you don't have other paperwork, will disenfranchise people.
you are telling me they don't get social security, government aid of any kind? and have never filed a tax return? -
QuoteThe Militia Acts of 1792, passed by the Second Congress and signed into law by President Washington, mandated "every free able-bodied white male citizen ages 18 through 44 ... shall within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt and...not less than twenty-four cartridges..."
Apparently the Founding Fathers, who were still around, thought it Constitutional.
So if it's OK for guns and ammo, why not for health insurance?
No it is not ok, but someone with your education would know that the Marshal scotus' first decision was in 1791, when the formation of the scotus was just being introduced. this read will let you better understand why some laws passed back then that would not hold up today.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_the_United_States
Since the landmark decision of Marbury vs Madison didn't happen until 1803, in which the Supreme Court ruled that the federal courts have the duty to review the constitutionality of acts of Congress and to declare them void when they are contrary to the Constitution, you can understand why some laws were not overturned previously. -
QuoteQuotenot even a birth certificate or a social security number?
Birth certificates and social security numbers are not valid picture IDs. And yes, many older and rural people do not have a valid copy of their birth certificate, and may have never gotten a social security number.
My 89 year old grandmother 4 years ago had trouble getting on a plane because she had no drivers license, but she did have a birth certificate and a social security card. -
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like I asked, How will it deprive anyone of voting. who over 18 doesn't have some form of ID? name all the people you know that don't already have an ID.
I know at least six people off the top of my head.
not even a birth certificate or a social security number? -
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteU.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has declared that there is no proof that in-person voter fraud is a problem. He's about to see proof that even he can't deny.
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That's not proof it's a problem. It's proof it's possible.
When Indiana enacted its voter ID law, the proponents could not come up with a single instance in state history of voter ID fraud. Not one. Yet somehow this NON PROBLEM required a solution that likely deprives a bunch of citizens of their ability to vote.
How? since they already should have ID.
Where is THAT written?
like I asked, How will it deprive anyone of voting. who over 18 doesn't have some form of ID? name all the people you know that don't already have an ID. -
QuoteQuoteU.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has declared that there is no proof that in-person voter fraud is a problem. He's about to see proof that even he can't deny.
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That's not proof it's a problem. It's proof it's possible.
When Indiana enacted its voter ID law, the proponents could not come up with a single instance in state history of voter ID fraud. Not one. Yet somehow this NON PROBLEM required a solution that likely deprives a bunch of citizens of their ability to vote.
How? since they already should have ID. -
QuoteQuoteOver 90% of the black people voted for him, that number alone means the biggest racists are those that voted for him because he was black.
Blacks voted for Kerry at a rate very close to the rate they voted for Obama. They did turn out at a greater rate for Obama. Make of that what you will.QuoteThe far left used a bad financial time in US history to push a radical on the American people in hopes of breaking the US from it's traditional values and government.
The fact that you think Obama is far left says more about you than him. He's pretty centerist.
what part of Obama's agenda is centrist? the regulations, wanted tax increases, government insurance, what? -
Quote>I'd say getting elected President demonstrates one has achieved a rather
>high level of success in their life.
Only if you have R after your name. Haven't you picked up on this by now?
I think character and relationships have more to do with getting elected potus, but in Obama's case his relationships and character are questionable and not well known to most. Obama got elected because he wasn't Bush, he wasn't vetted by the media, and he was black. I didn't vote for him because I did not like his friends, his wifes comments, and his policies. Over 90% of the black people voted for him, that number alone means the biggest racists are those that voted for him because he was black.
If Obama was running after a democratic president, or someone like Reagan he does not get elected. The far left used a bad financial time in US history to push a radical on the American people in hopes of breaking the US from it's traditional values and government. -
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe this has been covered before, but it looks like they missed the deadline and didn't get the loan. Not sure what your problem is with that.
Just that alot of green energy places are going belly up. not even the people that are preaching going green are buying green. there is not enough demand for these things or enough advanced technology to make these ventures profitable and sustainable.
Oh. When you said things like:QuoteWhy don't we hold these people responsible for not performing due diligence. Also why not make those repay the money they got in salary towards the loan.
Quotemaybe any political donations paid to anyone running for public office should be repaid towards the bankrupcy
it gave me the impression that maybe you didn't read the article carefully and thought this was the government's problem.
I do blame the government, If it wasn't for the billions being passed recklessly around either from loans given or the promise of a loan they would not have even started the venture. this administration has wasted billions of dollars in our tax money for green energy projects and created this Domino effect of failing companies.
Well, the previous administration wasted TRILLIONS on a war started under false pretenses, and that didn't get us any more oil.
So that would make it ok for this administration to waste trillions now?
I don't recall much outrage from you over the $trillions wasted by Bush. Why so selective?
Allthough I did agree with most of the money spent for the wars, I did not agree for the money spent on Tarp and many other things overspent on during the last 2-3 years of Bush's presidency. The last 2-3 trillion in debt spending from Bush I did speak out against at the time, maybe you forgot. -
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe this has been covered before, but it looks like they missed the deadline and didn't get the loan. Not sure what your problem is with that.
Just that alot of green energy places are going belly up. not even the people that are preaching going green are buying green. there is not enough demand for these things or enough advanced technology to make these ventures profitable and sustainable.
Oh. When you said things like:QuoteWhy don't we hold these people responsible for not performing due diligence. Also why not make those repay the money they got in salary towards the loan.
Quotemaybe any political donations paid to anyone running for public office should be repaid towards the bankrupcy
it gave me the impression that maybe you didn't read the article carefully and thought this was the government's problem.
I do blame the government, If it wasn't for the billions being passed recklessly around either from loans given or the promise of a loan they would not have even started the venture. this administration has wasted billions of dollars in our tax money for green energy projects and created this Domino effect of failing companies.
Well, the previous administration wasted TRILLIONS on a war started under false pretenses, and that didn't get us any more oil.
So that would make it ok for this administration to waste trillions now? -
QuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe this has been covered before, but it looks like they missed the deadline and didn't get the loan. Not sure what your problem is with that.
Just that alot of green energy places are going belly up. not even the people that are preaching going green are buying green. there is not enough demand for these things or enough advanced technology to make these ventures profitable and sustainable.
Oh. When you said things like:QuoteWhy don't we hold these people responsible for not performing due diligence. Also why not make those repay the money they got in salary towards the loan.
Quotemaybe any political donations paid to anyone running for public office should be repaid towards the bankrupcy
it gave me the impression that maybe you didn't read the article carefully and thought this was the government's problem.
I do blame the government, If it wasn't for the billions being passed recklessly around either from loans given or the promise of a loan they would not have even started the venture. this administration has wasted billions of dollars in our tax money for green energy projects and created this Domino effect of failing companies. -
QuoteMaybe this has been covered before, but it looks like they missed the deadline and didn't get the loan. Not sure what your problem is with that.
Just that alot of green energy places are going belly up. not even the people that are preaching going green are buying green. there is not enough demand for these things or enough advanced technology to make these ventures profitable and sustainable. -
Quote>Yes it is, that is why the government needs to stop this insane spending
>and reduce taxes to become competitive with the rest of the world.
The only way we will become competitive with the rest of the world is to drop our standard of living to match the rest of the world. You have to be willing to make $7,000 a year as a technician - THEN we will become competitive with China. Taxes have almost nothing to do with it.
Any one thing does not, when you add all of them up they do -
QuoteI don't remember most saying they wanted it for free.
Right now there are a lot of people, of many ages, who really don't think they should have to adjust their expectations based on others' actions or needs. Including things like:- big cars
- big houses
- high debt for unlikely to be profitable college degrees
- eating a lot and not exercising
- expecting old skills to remain valuable to employers simply because they used to be
- living in the same place
- size 6
Many of our ancestors gave up stuff where they were to move to the US, or to move to new parts of the US. Just because we have a whole lot more than they did doesn't mean that we'll never have to give anythng up to maintain.
Wendy P.
you missed stuff like thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9DacHcfIno granted this is about the ows but you can get the thought - big cars
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QuoteQuoteYes it is, that is why the government needs to stop this insane spending and reduce taxes to become competitive with the rest of the world.
If you want to be competitive in any industry that is labour intensive, you will have to be competitive on the cost side. Meaning significantly lower hourly rates.
We can make up the pay difference with our ability to mass produce better than most, what we can not do is be hammered on every financial side. -
QuoteQuoteI haven't seen 1 liberal complain about the cost of a college degree.
Seriously? That was one of the main complaints of the Occupy hippies!
Liberal = anything marks2065 doesn't like
no they didn't complain about the price, they just wanted it for free, they wanted everything for free, or take money from the hard working to pay for it. there is a difference. Just because I don't like something doesn't make it a liberal thing. I don't like many things on the right, I think if you want to be gay be gay, if you want an abortion have one, If you do or don't want religion that is your choice just don't push it on me. I am not that far apart in the social area as most, but I am a strong conservative meaning my money is mine, your money is yours (if you want or need more improve that yourself) and the government should not take more than they have to or spend more than they have. I believe in capital punishment and abortion.
That is a simplified version so your assumption is wrong. -
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWould like to see an example of a college making more profit than Exxon though.
you don't think education gets subsidized with tax dollars?
I haven't seen 1 liberal complain about the cost of a college degree. that cost is rising faster than gas. 60k to 200k for a degree that will pay 30k-60k a year? incebting the graduates for life?
funny how the market works - inject a bunch of tax money into universities and colleges and the cost goes up so fast that people need assistance to even pay for it - and then the cost goes up more because assistance is given and now people need more money
soon - idiots that don't understand economics start insisting that college should be "free" (i.e., can't someone else pay for me?)
What hurts even more is that you need a college education because the tax increases, epa regulations, unions, and other things have driven the good paying non skilled jobs overs seas leaving only the poor paying education needed jobs for the people here. -
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All made in China for nothing.QuoteOther than wireless technology and cloud computing? Private spacecraft? Solid state lighting? Electric vehicles?
As in next to nothing.
Private space craft? Really? Is that what we are going to base the survivability of the middle class on? Golf cart Toyotas, private space craft and LED lights?
Think back to when the net hit, and how it changed our lives.
Now it's mature, you have world wild connectivity and a truly global market place. So no matter how smart you are, if you live in the US or the EU I can find a guy or gal who is even smarter in China who will do the very same work for 1/5th of your pay.
Want to stay competitive? Are you willing to take 75% pay cut? And still have the same fixed costs?
This is some very scary shit.
Yes it is, that is why the government needs to stop this insane spending and reduce taxes to become competitive with the rest of the world. Will some people suffer? yes, but people have been suffering since Adam & Eve were forced out of the garden of eden. People are going to have to get cut off the government teet and start supporting themselves. It will be a very difficult transition and some will suffe but anything less than that will cause more pain in the long run. China will pass us and do you really want China taking our spot at the top? -
QuoteQuoteWould like to see an example of a college making more profit than Exxon though.
you don't think education gets subsidized with tax dollars?
I haven't seen 1 liberal complain about the cost of a college degree. that cost is rising faster than gas. 60k to 200k for a degree that will pay 30k-60k a year? incebting the graduates for life? -
QuoteQuoteWard 8 D.C. Councilman Marion Barry is on the hot seat again.
Celebrating his victory in the Democratic primary on Tuesday night, Barry spoke up about the prominence of businesses owned by Asians in the District.
“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said in remarks first reported by WRC-TV. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”
Barry, who won't be opposed in November's general election as he seeks his third consecutive term on the D.C. Council, was unavailable for comment Thursday morning.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2012/04/barry-we%E2%80%99ve-got-do-something-about-these-asians-coming/448886
Will Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackison and all the rest of the "Civil Rights" Crusaders condemn Marion Barry and demand he resign? Will he get a call from our President decrying his racist statements? What would the reaction be if a white politician said something like this?
Don't hold your breath.
nope not one of the racists will speak about it. Most are used to Barry and accept it because if you say anything you are the racist -
QuoteQuoteif we add in the 70% that you say is missing then we have under 10 cents per gallon,
70% of total profit.QuoteI don't hear you screaming about the evil apple company, or general electric, or liberal leaning colleges all making more profit.
I am not screaming about the profits oil companies are making. I think there might be some price collusion going on in my local market, but it is very hard to prove.
Would like to see an example of a college making more profit than Exxon though.Quoterestric oil drilling
Yes, from the oil company perspective that is indeed what they would want.
From a consumer perspective you would probably want your politicians to lobby for increased refinery capacity.
I didn't say a college made more profit just a higher percentage of profit per dollar. I need to be over %5 profit just to keep up with changes in the auto industy, the oil industry needs billions to invest into future endevors, they can't do that if you reduce their profits to millions. -
QuoteQuoteQuote>it is more civilized when murderers are not here to threaten us.
Agreed. Of course, you can accomplish that via the death penalty OR prison for life. And the prison-for-life is nice because it's cheaper.
But if you want to spend the extra money, I am totally in favor of you paying it.
Cheaper? How can $10 in electricity be more expensive than housing an inmate at 50k a year be more expensive?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cost+of+death+penalty
yep I have read some of those, but why do the prisoners get all the benifits the victom never got or will get? no free health care, tv, schooling, clothes, dental, vision, weight room, and the rest. they need food and 3 walls with a set of bars on the 4th side. All the free stuff is why it costs so much to house and try these criminals. Who cares if they kill themselves ? no need for 24 hour guards. who cares if they want tv? not me. the only thing they have a right to is a fair trial. how about we give some of their comforts to the victoms and their families while they adjust to the loss of a loved one or the devistation brought unto their lives.
Is this the new "normal" 7-10% unemployment?
in Speakers Corner
Billvon, you are correct that technology will advance alot over the next 20 years, but the technology is not to a point that we can achieve what the left wants right now. I say we work towards better technology but not have it forced on us until it can achieve what is wanted. the costs associated with building and repairing these new cars is astounding because of the fast change over. constantly retooling every year drives the manufacture and repair pricing up to where we cannot afford to buy the equipment and other tools needed to repair these cars.