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you are an idiot, too. and jumpdude is a retard. and popsjumper better be careful with the ball bat, feeble old man. will this thread get locked as well, billvon? blah blah blah... well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

you are an idiot, too. and jumpdude is a retard. and andy better be careful with the ball bat, feeble old man. will this thread get locked as well, billvon? blah blah blah... well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

where did you receive your training in dog/chicken enjoyment recognition? what parameters would indicate distress in a chicken's demeanor? so, the BIRD with a cranial capacity of a peanut was terrified by freefall, while the terrestrial, intelligent canine dug it? spare me... well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

now, now, hallux, skydive nashville still operates. just without a plane, uspa group membership, staff or students. let's keep it fair. skydive hendersonville, however, is struggling. http://skydivehendersonville.org/ Well, there ya go again crying about a USPA GM Membership????? WTF, why are you soo damn worried about a USPA Membership? There's still no law that says that a skydiver or a DZ has to be a member of a club.[/reply right you are. however, the uspa, for all it's flaws and folly, is no "club". it is a fairly effective professional organization intent on providing guidelines for us as skydivers to follow so we can maintain self regulation. self regulation is a state of bliss compared to the mess skydiving would be in if it were regulated by a bunch of laws. a bunch of laws would be the stuff you guys were ignoring when that beater cesna went down. i understand you finally renewed your individual membership, well done. well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

why don't you red eye it to come jump with me, ya ape? well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

now, now, hallux, skydive nashville still operates. just without a plane, uspa group membership, staff or students. let's keep it fair. skydive hendersonville, however, is struggling. http://skydivehendersonville.org/ well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

Finally, Something we can all agree on!! the "we" is broadly inclusive, jello... well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

Katie, I'll stand tall next to what I have done here. It is afterall hating a concept not people. Let me ask you something since you insist on poking me. Are you going to teach your children that the Skyride way is the way to treat people? Do you want Ben and Cary to be role models to your kids? I'll ask this question to all of you. Are you going to teach your kids that the end justifies the means? That is a quote from Cary. Are you going to teach them that it is ok to take money from people that you didn't earn? That if you can get someones money by any means that you earned it? If you answer yes to any of these questions you sicken me. chris, the melodrama of your post sickens me. we've already unpacked the ridiculous notion of the whole moral foundation of humanity being encapsulated in the skyride business model in another thread. spare me. well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

Get your facts straight lady, No logo was used in any advertising, nor was the Humane Society's name. You should read their letter of rejection, then you'll have a clue. For once, he's right, AFAIK. I reviewed the copies of the advertisements that I have, and none of them included the Humane Society's name or logo. I may have not seen all of them though. We'll just have to accept that the boogie was a joke done in extremely poor taste with no intentions of donating any proceeds until called out on it. If you guys want to survive and keep your DZ open, do yourselves a favor and rename the boogie to something more politically correct. You might need a permit to hold a fundraiser if what I read earlier is correct, and you will need permission from the beneficiary. I can see how last year's boogie was hastily done and poorly planned. However, the attitudes you all have displayed since leaves much to be desired. I think we're about ready to close this discussion out and re-focus back on Skyride in the other thread. billy, you advising someone to assume a more politically correct position is, umm, strange. are you feeling ok? people, you are sensationalizing the most poorly conceived, spur of the moment, ridiculous non event in modern skydiving history! long live cat aids! well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

a "scam", by definition, requires a victim. who suffered? the poor souls in the attached photos? we had 25 fun jumpers, 20 or so tandem students and 10 staff members that had a wonderful time. the mike paiser space laser appreciation boogie on april 25/26, 2008 will be even more tastless, insensitive and awesome. the recurring assertion on your part that we are somehow lying to/scamming/or providing a disservice to our fun jumpers and students cannot be substantiated, period. sorry jeff, but a real dz has opened in "your" market. modern equipment, qualified instructors, well maintained safe aircraft and esprit will outweigh your lies, anonymous tips, muckraking and dumbassery. from the ntsb report of the plane crash that your funjmpers and students nearly suffered: "The pilot owned and operated the airplane since he purchased it in 2003. The airplane had not received an annual or 100-hour inspection subsequent to the pilot purchasing it. In addition, the pilot did not hold an airframe or powerplant certificate; however, he performed all of the maintenance on his airplane." that is a scam, pal. thank goodness it was not a tragedy. at every turn you are a disgrace to this sport. offering a prospective aff student advice like this: "Why pay $150 up to $250+ for a jump when you can do the Static Line First Jump Training course for $195 which includes your first jump, then the Static Line jumps for $65, then, when you come off the Static Line, the price drops to $45, then when you come off Student Status, the price is $23? Why pay an average of $200+ per jump when you can get 2 to 4 jumps for the price of 1 AFF jump. You may notice that the other user here who is advertising for a certain DZ is attempting to dazzle you with some really killer prices and packages. Then you will notice that he goes on to mention that you will have to pay $150 for any jumps you "Need to repeat". Hence, "Failed" a jump?? How can you fail a jump? You jumped, You landed, You lived, You passed! The reason the AFF DZ's mention that is because there is a high percent chance that you will have to "Repeat" (?) a jump or two. They do that so they can get you back for another jump or two. But They will never admit that. The most that should happen if you missed something on a jump is that it should be logged in your logbook and attention would be given to that area on the next jump or before your "A" License check dive. And if an Instructor says you can't log a jump for one reason or another, they are lying. YOU JUMPED! YOU CAN LOG IT! Even if you didn't get a passing score. Also, here's a couple of really good references that will help you to make an educated decision about where to jump. http://funjumper.com/skyride/ and http://www.1800skyrideripoff.com. After reviewing those two references as well as the suggestion that the other user earlier in this thread offered you, you will see that the user that is offering you all those dazzling prices and packages works for and is advertising for the company which is the same one you asked about at first in this thread, is the company that all that evidence is warning you not to do business with." is not helpful to him or the sport. (btw, kermie is doing his level 4 aff at asc as soon as the weather breaks.) I'm amazed that cspence, andy, billy vance and the others tolerate your presence in their camp. chris has done great things for the sport from videographer to boogie organizer, andy is a professional instructor who takes great pride in teaching people how to skydive. billy has a list of accomplishments as long as my arm. they have a rational postion to boot. what are you bringing to the game, joe dirt? Divert attention so the issue will go away? are you fucking kidding? the cat aids boogie will become an institution! have you seen these sweet t-shirts? thanks for the advertising. all this publicity and controversy over a silly name for a weekend of jumping and fun has provided much promise for the next cat aids boogie! NEWSFLASH AST is owned by cary quattrocchi, who also owns asc and skyride! gasp, who would have guessed? unfortunately for your argument, there is no skyride party line. there is no modus operandi. we're just a bunch of retards livin it up and having fun. we had fun. you should to, sometime. "Look back through the threads, you will NEVER see a post from me that slams someone's skydiving abilities, equipment and not even their currency." because you are in no position to, jeff. we are! well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

"Apathy is not neutral. It can be, but it's not "on purpose." right you are, sir! neutral means finding yourself midway between extremes. think ph balance. apathy implies not even being involved. apathy, breaks down to "without emotion",... modern usage tends to bend the prefix "a" to a meaning more akin to "contra". one who is apolitical is without politics, while atheism has been appropriated to mean refuting religion, or even god, it really means simple without religion. most skydivers are in fact apathetic to skyride, and the allegations made against it. only some have made it into a moral campaign, a fixation so strong it tends to even replaces skydiving as a passion... well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

I noticed that also, most young skydivers seem to be little wormy dudes. Must be the beer and ramen noodel diet. beer AND ramen? that would be a feast. it's either or for me... well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

i'm 6'4", 275lb. my rig was sized for someone considerably smaller. it was a good deal, and new leg and chest straps from mike g. and it's perfect in my eyes. i spent ten years hanging in a tree climbing rig. they weren't custom fitted. it's not really important to me in a skyjumpin' rig. chances are that the gear you jumped as a student was made for someone smaller anyway. don't be afraid of good enough as far as size, it it's a good deal price/quality wise. have fun! well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

well said! "People who choose to oppose Skyride can put their focus on that. Expecting anyone who opposes and fights anything must also oppose everything "evil" is not practical nor even possible as their efforts would be too spread out." -inversely, those who don't choose to fight the things others choose to fight cannot be deemed complicit, or accused of contributing to the problem. unfortunately the adage "you are part of the solution, or part of the problem" doesn't bear out in real life. people aren't compelled to be either. "As for drugs, many people think they should be legalized and may not have a problem with drug trafficking, regardless of legality." -that's crazy talk "I've gone and hung out at ASC and had a great time. I have many friends that choose to jump there. However, since I oppose their parent companies business practices I choose not to contribute monetarily by jumping there. That's what I chose to do. What other do is not my concern." -entirely too sensible! cheers, bolas! well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

my apologies, could you clarify for me? well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo