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  1. That was in response to another poster saying why is it wrong for jump aircraft to ferry jumpers across the country. EGPWS could of easily save the 208 over WA
  2. Feel free to call your local FSDO and ask them
  3. No Dave I don't it is illegal. Back to FFE here is a copy of the email i just sent to the FAA Dear Sirs, On the 19th of April 2008 there was a fatal accident at the Mt. Vernon airport involving a Cessna 206 conducting sky diving operations. I am a check airman with XXXXXXXXXX, and had this information passed to me which may help your investigation - the person passing it to me felt she could not come forward because of the close nit nature of the skydiving community. Below is the information I had passed to me "I am by no means anyone who really knows anything, just an innocent bystander who has risked my life more time than I care to think about by trusting that my drop zone will keep me safe. I think there were several factors that caused this accident. 1. Drop zone allowed a plane that was not airworthy, and even the owner of the drop zone did not want to fly it. It has had issues from the beginning. 2. I think the plane had a balance issue. I think there was too much weight and distributed unevenly in the plane. When we got in the plane, the pilot had to get in first because it was tail heavy. This plane has had the stall warning come on many times when exiting the plane. Most of the time people just jump when the stall warning comes on. When I say most people I am talking tandem instructors and very experienced jumpers. 3. I think the pilot was inadequate for training on this plane. I think the pilot made some real mistakes on this flight. A person on the ground stated they saw the plane level out when the 4 girls left. Then when Jen jumped and the chute got caught on the tail it was over. A good pilot would have said get the hell out of my plane at 10,000 feet not 4,500 feet. Again I am a baby jumper with about 500 jumps so what do I know anyway. These are just my thoughts along with some real issues. I have described both. There have been just too many things in the past that I have gone along with. But this time, things need to be address. An example is how come a double malfunction with a tandem (owner of DZ flying the tandem) was not reported. They were able to land but the DZ owner broke his neck. I sat with the gentleman who just came inches away from dying while he watched his video and I was told not to say anything. It was never reported to USPA. Instead DZO told us to say he fell off the back of the truck and that is why he wore the neck brace. Also there was a guy named Brent that had a double mal and landed hard on the end of the runway. I was there that day also. I took care of his kids until his wife was able to get there and they took him away by ambulance. He broke his back. This too was never reported to USPA or drop zone incidents because his reserve was out of date and they did not want anyone to know. Once again I kept my mouth shut. Why I do not know as it is not my nature. Oh yea and there is more… The day was cloudy and the ceiling was too low to skydive. I started heading home and had made it about 10 miles down the road when I saw a break in the clouds. I whipped a u-turn on I44 and headed back to the DZ just in time to see the sky clear up. DZO owner was flying the 182; 4 on the load. On the way to altitude the DZO and his wife were goofing around she was trying to catch a mint in her mouth. He was pulling back and pushing forward on the yoke to assist her in catching the mint in her mouth. He either pushed forward or pulled back to hard and we all flew to the roof of the plane. I hit my head very hard and still have neck pain today because of it. His wife cut her nose on the beam in the top of the plane and had to have stitches. I am sorry to say I was bought off by the mere price of one free jump. I have not jumped there since, only when they had the larger planes – Mike Mullins – come in for the boogies. I feel as if I played a part in letting all of this slide. Many others and myself are guilty because we did nothing, said nothing. We are all just as guilty as if we were in that door and didn’t let Marnie get out. I hope you now understand why I can’t fight the battle on drop zone because I feel too guilty, but when things do come out and they will I will not be afraid to stand up and say what I should have said a long time ago."
  4. It is ILLEGAL. The operation is not set up to carry members of the public as part of public transportation. If you can't see how or why that is illegal I'm not going to waste my breath or bandwidth explaining the obvious.
  5. DSE, why try to justify something being unsafe by saying its ok because xyz is unsafe... Not every drop zone is "unsafe" but im sorry to say out of all the ones I have been to I would say the majority are. I think the FAA should attend a few more skydiving events.. and start picking off the aircraft ferrying in with skydivers on board... That would be easy pickings for catching unscrupulous DZ's that are flouting the law. Trouble with the other violations they can be hard to catch people committing. The FAA don't have infinite resources, and of course (rightly so) most of their time is spent looking after and overseeing air carriers.
  6. Well, bub, the C208 crash in Washington wasn't a DZ flying it. The DZ rented the plane to a group of jumpers and a pilot for the trip, a part 91 operation. He was IFR rated, the plane was IFR equipped. Tell me why they didn't get a wx briefing or file a flight plan, IFR or VFR. It's pilots' attitudes that kill, not the FAR part they are flying under. The FAA say other wise, they say it was illegal
  7. Dave... they work the accident rate out by numbers (i think) The 208 was doing something illegal by having those people on board.. Two different things. Your profile states your an instructor.. this is kinda scary as your attitude towards safety seems to be lacking.. You justify not bringing in safety because it would increase the jump price... not good not good
  8. I think it is persons carried... i could be very wrong about that though... But they have a way of working out a rate of accidents so it shows who the worst offenders are.... Not just because they had lots of people on board when they had a single accident.
  9. Yeah but not in the numbers they are now. Even if one life is saved it is worth it.
  10. Dave your views are not compatible with the NAS. Lets not forget that these aircraft fly over peoples houses and operate in the NAS. Who are you to say that a substandard aircraft can fly over property endangering life.
  11. Well if it means that is the case then so be it. At the moment people are dying because of the state that things are in
  12. Well..... If the regulations had of been followed and the DZ was not doing something ILLEGAL then the loss of life would be at MOST 1.
  13. Oh and skydiving aircraft seem to be a drop in the bucket because their are less of them.... The accident rate of skydiving aircraft tells a very different story.
  14. Both... I think owner operators of VLS's and Turboprops can be dangerous.. the figures back me up. But with skydiving taking place under FAR 91 then they are classed as general aviation.. I don't think they should be because of the nature of their operation. I tell you what makes me the most sad.. reading "None instrument rated pilot, entered IMC............" Why do we keep seeing the same things happen over and over again? And why are sky divers so anti change and regulation... why do they not wish to work towards safer aircraft operation in the sport of skydiving
  15. I guess all I wanted to achieved in the main from FAR 135 is having the FAA down at the DZ more often... and forcing a working relationship between the two.