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Black helicopter delivery! House Bill 3063 Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/screeningkidsbackground.htm EO http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020429-2.html http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/ http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/protect-your-children.htm http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

CAVEAT: The following information may be hazzardous to your government programing, if you can not fathom the information exit here. URGENT ALERT: VOTE COMING ON FORCED MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING By: Devvy November19, 2004 NewsWithViews.com "Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819 Congressman Ron Paul is attempting to include language in another massive government spending bill that would require parental notification regarding Bush's attempt to force mental health screening on all children in this country. Paul's earlier attempts to insert a stop measure into the Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act failed. No surprise there. If this dangerous provision in that bill passes, it will be because the Republicans didn't stop it and a Republican president will sign it into law. The vote on this could come by this weekend. It is important to remember that some members of Congress who will vote on this insidious legislation, also own stock in the very pharmaceutical companies that will reap millions of dollars destroying the minds of America's children through forced medicating. A list of these congressional members can be found here. Even the the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons warned the public just a week ago that universal psychiatric screening and drugging of children is "a dangerous scheme that will heap even more coercive pressure on parents to medicate children with potentially dangerous side effects." There is an underlying agenda behind Bush's so-called 'New Freedom Commission on Mental Health' to "identify policies that could be implemented by Federal, State and local governments to promote successful community integration for adults with a serious mental illness and children with a serious emotional disturbance." This forced mental health screening will eventually be extended to adults - an exact replica of Communist Russia, straight from the Communist Manual of Instruction of Psychological Warfare. In the summary section of this "New Freedom" Commission on Mental Health, the summary states, "The State plan will include consumers and families and will create a new partnership among the Federal, State and local governments." The big carrot: federal money that will create new jobs - the same trap Americans have been diving into for the past decade as jobs in America's most important sectors (ag, manufacturing, industrial) have been shipped to foreign countries. While the quote below will be a most unwelcome one for those still celebrating Bush's reelection and a "Republican sweep" in Congress, Americans must open their eyes to the bigger picture and evaluate what is coming out of Washington, DC. The author of The Great Communitarian Hoax, Jeri Lynn Ball, is one of the most knowledgeable experts in this country on how America is being subverted in such a clever, diabolical and systematic way, that our people hardly know what's happening to them and their families - until it's too late. As Jeri points out regarding this gigantic step to crush those of us and our children who refuse to bow down to the new world order being pushed upon us by both parties in Washington, DC, "The real cause of mental disorders in this country is the communitarian attack on principled individualism and the massive indoctrination of Americans with the altruist-collectivst principles of the Communist morality including selflessness and the sense of community. Communitarian administrations, including Bush, have adopted the Russian system of forcing consumers to have primary care providers, who will of course be trained to provide "appropriate" treatment for "mental health problems." According to the Communist Manual, all doctors, psychiatrists, and community health workers will bet trained in Marxist-Lenin Communist doctrine and will monitor their patents' thoughts and effectively work to prevent outbreaks of dissent or rebellion." It easy to scoff at such a statement unless you have read all of her thoroughly researched books as well as other talented writers like Mary Starrett who have written on this issue. This type of research does require an enormous amount of time - something most Americans simply aren't interested in doing when they can get their 15-second sound bites from Rather, Brokaw, et al. Others who genuinely do care are buried with familial responsibilities which is also part of the brilliant, evil plan to enslave America: keep both parents chasing to put food on the table so they have little time to study the events which directly affect their lives. Unconstitutional Ron Paul may feel the best he can do is attempt to get parental notification, but I say no more band aids. The only question that should be addressed here is this: Where does the U.S. Constitution, specifically Art. 1, Sec. 8 authorize Congress to legislate that all children in America be forced to undergo mental health screening or testing? Simply put, there isn't any authority. The "general welfare" clause of the Constitution can't be used. This quote is from the general welfare clause link: "The Anti-Federalists still weren't satisfied. Hamilton and Madison came back to re-state that if the general welfare clause conveyed absolute power to the government, why would they go on to list the specific powers they were going to grant the government? That wouldn't make any sense at all if they were going to give absolute power to this government. It was finally conceded by all at the convention that the general welfare clause conveyed absolutely no power to the government." In other words, Congress is and always has been restricted to the areas specifically cited in Art. 1, Sec. 8. Forced mental health screening and/or testing for America's children flat out does not fall within their jurisdiction. Is there case law to back this up? Yes, in Lopez v US (1995) the U.S. Supreme Court said Congress overstepped its legislative authority when it passed a law regarding "gun free school zones." While that case was about guns, the basic argument is still the same: Congress doesn't have the authority to legislate outside Art. 1, Section 8, period. I'm certain there are dozens of cases that can be used to argue against this dangerous monster looming over America's parents. What can you do? First, call your federal house member and your counterfeit U.S. Senator and tell them that you will refuse to submit your child to any forced mental health screening. Tell them no. This land belongs to us. We the people. There can no longer be any hesitation on the part of the American people to stand up to these one world government advocates in Washington, DC. They are our servants and work for us. Yes, it is a bit scary for those who have never stood up to the federal machine before, but we must and we must do it together, unified. Second, Call the White House and politely tell the comment line that even if this Machiavellian plan becomes law, you will refuse to submit your child to any forced mental health testing, treatment or otherwise. Those members of my family who have children under 18 have already done this. Time is short, please do it today. Even if the vote doesn't happen this week, it will happen - every phone call will count. White House numbers: Comments: 202-456-1111; Switchboard: 202-456-1414; Fax: 202-456-2461; E-Mail: President George W. Bush: [email protected] Third: If you belong to fine organizations like Concerned Women of America, contact their leadership and ask them to use the power of the Internet to get their members to begin flooding Congress and the White house with calls, all conveying the same message: under no circumstances will you submit your child to any forced government mental health screening, treatments or programs. There are roughly 30,000 citizens groups in this country which represent tens of millions of adults. The roar heard by Washington, DC on this effort must be so massive, that Bush's master plan (New Freedom Commission on Mental Health) is crushed. The other important action everyone can take is to financially support those public interest law firms that will most likely be the ones to fight a case brought by a parent who refuses to submit their child to this forced testing. Should the Republican controlled Congress pass this dangerous legislation (which Bush will sign it into law in a NY second), make no mistake: they will move on your children and grand children before the ink dries. Bush signed the Executive Order to set up this mental health commision back in April 2002, so they've had plenty of time to lay the groundwork and get ready - all they need is Congress to pass the legislation. This is one of the most important fights we face and those parents who refuse will need legal representation. As my daughter is 29, it doesn't affect me, but I am making my financial donation to the Thomas Moore Law Center because this is a righteous fight. It is a fight to stop the federal machine from taking control of America's children and reshaping their minds through drugs and propaganda. Thank you. © 2004 Devvy Kidd - All Rights Reserved 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto- http://www.wealth4freedom.com/10Planks.html 45 goals of communism from"The Naked Communist" http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/Communist_Goals.htm The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men. -- Samuel Adams This is posted to inform and bring awareness to what has and is happening to America. And hopefully to encourage intelligent discussion. This is not posted to incite controversy or cause offense. If it does, ask yourself why you feel it does, and search for the answer. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

"All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." --John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson Even better, physically own gold, silver, and numismatic coins, as a store of wealth. IMO people understand less about the atrocity of our monetary system and the effects of it than anything else. Learn more about our monetary system here- http://www.fame.org/index.htm "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." --Frederic Bastiat, The Law PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

This is a post of 14 characteristics of fascism, from an article written by a political scientist, who did a study on fascism. It is posted to inform, and hopefully get people to think and question. If you disagree/agree with any of these characteristics, please comment, if you think it is trolling, then instead of name calling "troll", state why you think it is trolling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll If posting thought provoking alternatives to the status quo is trolling then so be it. It is easy to sit back and read, listen, and watch mainstream views (mostly propaganda/disinformation, IMHO), and deny any thing to the contrary. When challenged, cognitive dissonance kicks in, defense mechanisms turn on, instead try opening the mind and thinking of other posibilities. PEACE "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt Spring 2003 Free Inquiry magazine Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy. The 14 characteristics are: Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. Rampant Sexism The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed . Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. Fraudulent Elections Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine Reprinted for Fair Use Only. http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_14_characteristics_030303.htm ____________________________________________________ Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. Thomas Jefferson “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

I am diametrically opposed to this, because it opens the door for evil. If someone took you and your family away and made you slaves that would be OK, because they were the toughest, most clever, and had the most money. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc... were the toughest, most clever, and had the most money at a point in their lives, what they did was OK then right? It has not always been like that, man has always tried to enslave man, but this certainly does not make it right. We are not wolves. Excepting this belief that rights come from man, gives God like authority to man, and man is not capable of having such power. It will result in death, destruction, slavery, and the evilist of outcomes. "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

SS was and is voluntary, and the number was never to be used as an identifier. I do not believe a SSN is who you are, that number belongs to the SSA. It does make it difficult to live w/o one, but I try my best to do so. As for the troll comment... On the Internet, troll is a slang term used to describe: 1. A person who makes posts (on newsgroups or other forums) that are solely intended to incite controversy or conflict, or cause annoyance or offense. 2. A post that is intended to incite controversy or cause offense. (Many posts may inadvertently cause strife as collateral damage, but they are not trolls.) I have posted articles by other authors, not everything I post I believe or support 100%, although most of it I do. I post, what I hope is information different than what most people are getting, to provoke thought and open minds, and to present a different view than the status quo. So if I do not post the typical left v. right, dem v. rep, con. v. lib, point of view I am considered a troll? If it does not jive with those on the left or right side of the isle it is trolling and shoud be banned or censored? That is the Statist, two party control system mentality I am challenging. PEACE PS mardigrasbob, you make some very good points in the rest of your post, thanks. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

Most people do not understand this, and will not want to believe it either. I can prove it. Signing your name is the most valuable thing you do. The State starts to enslave at birth with SSN, and birth certificates, Drivers License, Marriage License, voter registration, and using the fiat money system, all give the State the presumption that you are a member of the corporate government, and subject to its codes(Roman Civil Law), which do not have to follow the Constitution. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

I think you may not understand, this may help. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=individualism in·di·vid·u·al·ism Audio pronunciation of "individualism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nd-vj--lzm) n. 1. 1. Belief in the primary importance of the individual and in the virtues of self-reliance and personal independence. 2. Acts or an act based on this belief. 2. 1. A doctrine advocating freedom from government regulation in the pursuit of a person's economic goals. 2. A doctrine holding that the interests of the individual should take precedence over the interests of the state or social group. 3. 1. The quality of being an individual; individuality. 2. An individual characteristic; a quirk. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=collectivism col·lec·tiv·ism Audio pronunciation of "collectivism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-lkt-vzm) n. The principles or system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the people collectively, usually under the supervision of a government. collectivism \Col*lect"iv*ism\, n. [Cf. F. collectivisme.] (Polit. Econ.) The doctrine that land and capital should be owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism. --W. G. Summer. collectivism n 1: Soviet communism [syn: Bolshevism, sovietism] 2: a political theory that the people should own the means of production USA not based on collectivist ideals. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

I have been where most of the people here are as related to their political views. Only by keeping an open mind was I able to research, and explore alternative views which I found to be supported by fact and truth. And not the agenda of others. My profile has nothing to do with bravery or security, if everyone would honor the rules of the forum no problem, I make every attempt to not get into personal attacks. I do not see how my profile is germain to the topic either. I am an American, hows that. "The State", Fed Gov't, was created by the people, it is our servant. How can our servant take the masters property by force, and still be a free society? If the services government offered were so valuable, they would offer them on a voluntary basis (like everyone else) and we the people could pay for them if we needed them, instead they are offered at the barrel of a gun. The United States of America was created as a Republic, in a Republic the rights and property of the minority are protected, in a Democracy, which we are not, if 51% of the people vote to kill all skydivers so be it. As long as people do not take, violate others' rights or property, people should be free to do as they please. I do not need the State to decide what is good for me and what is bad for me, I accept that responsibility, most do not, it is easier to be a slave. Freedom is not free, slavery is, kneel down and you will be made a slave. So now freedom means anarchy, I believe anarchy would be better than what we have now, however a small, limited government, confined absolutely by the Constitution, as it was intended, would be preferable to me. Immaturity exists when others do not accept responsibility for themselves, needing parent government all their lives. Then because of this immaturity they must take from others to support their parent, if that is your choice good for you, just leave me and others alone. In a free society, government exists to protect, the rights and property of the people, that is it. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

I still think it is well worth reading for anybody who seeks freedom and truth, even if you do not believe. You are free to believe what you want to believe. The people who founded this country did believe that our rights come from the Creator. If you do not believe in "TheBigCreator", where do you believe your rights come from? The authors are not found all around the world, these are the pioneers of FREE MARKET ECONOMICS, and their views like any economic system impacts every facet of life. PEACE PS Many years of research, not google, however it can be useful. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

You are right. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

So you think I should be banned from posting because you do not agree with posts? Unfortunately to many people are living a fairy tale. Peace & Liberty “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

KERRY WON OHIO JUST COUNT THE BALLOTS AT THE BACK OF THE BUS http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=393&row=0 The ballots that add up to a majority for John Kerry in Ohio -- and in New Mexico -- are locked up in two Republican hidey-holes: "spoiled" ballots and "provisional" ballots. http://www.blackboxvoting.com/ A gift to the folks at UniLect who said they would try and fix a design flaw in their software which allowed people in Carteret Co. NC, to keep voting even after the computer had no space left to store ballots. My dog just handed this to me IF VoteCount >= MaxVoteCount Do Shutdown() ELSE Do Countvote() ENDIF LOL “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless

I asked for any troll comments, jokingly, I find them funny. First that is the authors statement, do not shoot the messenger. I do not see that you proved anything other than you do not understand what the author is stating. I believe that the authors article is acceptable in a free society. I have no Lord or King. In America the people are the King. Meaning we are all a King unto ourselves, endowed with certain unalienable rights from our Creator, as the Declaration of Indepedence affirms. We the people created the State, we are the sovereign, the State is our servant. What is fallaciously flawed is the divine right of kings, and man being forced by the barrel of a gun into servitude. I do not prescribe to your collectivist ideals, and they are truly not what America is founded upon. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless