matthewcline

And a gay woman who refuses to cut a "Conservative Politicians" hair here in the US. They are all stupid, IMO.


Matt

lawrocket

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Yet your humor is striking way too close to the truth of some situations

Indeed. Who here knows that the EPA conducts SWAT-style raids to conduct paperwork inspections? Sounds ludicrous, but it happens.

Or that organic farms and raw milk producers are regularly the subject of such raids?

Or raiding Gibson Guitars because there was a rumor that banned ebony was being used?

Or being used to break up charity poker games to benefit a food bank?

Feds. All we should have, is the FBI at that level with "Police Authority".

Matt

lawrocket

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1. An informant claimed Magee had 12-14 plants, 6' tall...

3. Det. Sowders requests a judge to issue a no knock no notice warrant for fear of suspect flushing evidence down the toilet.

They have big toilets in Texas?

You beat me to it. I think this shows the ridiculousnness as much as anything...

He could flush many items down a toilet, all of which could be evidence. It will take the supporting documentation, and maybe the Judges recollection of what the Officer said, to better know though.

Matt

mrshutter45

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I see a lot of frustration in Matts post. I can only hope he doesn't think I'm doing the wrong thing. I still believe it can be discussed on a mature level, and be productive for others to enjoy. although skydiving is involved with the case, I still don't believe it belongs here. lots of the jumpers confirm this. I remember when I first signed on I was wondering how they will react when they realize I'm not in the sport. I welcome just about anyone who wishes to join, this includes the jumpers. I hope in the future that if the site survives, the two sites can co-exist, and not do any harm to either.

I too wish this thread would stay on topic. I wish the experts here would be given a fair listen. I also wish the ones who keep derailing this thread would be adult enough to excuse themselves, and if not for the Mod to let them view only.

Most of this thread isn't even about the case, but if we could delete those posts, some wouldn't have any thing to do with there lives.

You all stay safe and warm. I'm volunteering to help patrol the icy and snowy roads, it is fairly cold and we have 2+" of snow and sleet, and more snow falling, I may have to go get some of those famous "jack boots".

Matt

RobertMBlevins

******Since this thread is nothing but a few old boys and girls acting like kindergarteners, it is time to send this thread to the trash bin, and ban the leading suspects from the web page, for life.

There has been no new evidence found, or introduced, for the case. There are no suspects for the case, and all the ones discussed here have been discounted by the FBI.

Experts are dismissed if they don't "prove" some ones case and actually prove some ones case, or thoughts, to be incorrect.

The thread has run its course and has used up all its life support options, time to exercise the DNR.

Matt

P.S. I'm still going to hang out though and correct things as I find them though. This is like watching NASCAR or a train wreck live.

Gotta admire that Shutter d00d, make it a single topic hard core moderated site - and let whatever sticks to the wall be looked at.

Look...I will agree with this concept. But let's be fair. Some of the people over THERE are also responsible for the trashing of the thread HERE. This was not done by one or two, or even just three people...no matter what some self-righteous folks would have you believe. It was generally a group effort all the way, with a few exceptions. Amazon and 377 come to mind.

I could point to Georger's multi-bans, MeyerLouie's ban for severe name-calling, Galen Cook's perma-ban for whatever, Bruce Smith's recent ban for fighting, and a few other folks who now appear THERE. There are very few Snow Whites hanging around the DZ Cooper Thread Village. And yeah...I guess you could include me as well. But few are guiltless here.


And you as well.

You and your nemesis can't seem to even stay in the same zip code with the topic.

Matt

You edited out the part where you are grouped.

Matt

Since this thread is nothing but a few old boys and girls acting like kindergarteners, it is time to send this thread to the trash bin, and ban the leading suspects from the web page, for life.

There has been no new evidence found, or introduced, for the case. There are no suspects for the case, and all the ones discussed here have been discounted by the FBI.

Experts are dismissed if they don't "prove" some ones case and actually prove some ones case, or thoughts, to be incorrect.

The thread has run its course and has used up all its life support options, time to exercise the DNR.

Matt

P.S. I'm still going to hang out though and correct things as I find them though. This is like watching NASCAR or a train wreck live.

Amazon

***Your last sentence is awesome.

I didn't fear the cops when I was a kid, I respected them.
That is no longer true.

^^^^^^ THIS


That was when they were actually protecting and serving WE The People.

The vast majority of us, still do.
But, we will always be shown negatively in every situation, negative news, like sex, sells.

Matt

BruceSmith

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"...This may sound obvious, but I don't think a SOG guy would come to the Cooper party dressed in a suit and loafers..."

Bottom line, Bobby. Do you think a SOG trooper could make it to the ground wearing loafers and a business suit?

If you say yes, then why wouldn't such an operative wear the best disguise possible to get himself on a 727 undected in PDX at Thanksgiving.

One could see it as a brilliant disguise. With layers underneath, even in those days they new that method.

The stairs operation incident would rule out any one who flew on those planes for a living and had operated them before. It could also rule out any one directly involved in any super secret agent guy testing, wouldn't you say?

Now a well trained SOG guy who heard of the testing, bingo.
Or a some what researched skydiver, who had a little survival knowledge, oh another bingo! Of course those two types can be placed in training and parachutes.

One could even say, an old has been, who just speculated as he sat on the ramp one day that the stairs could be lowered. Then he hatched an idea, and drew on his old military training for parachute choices. After watching a Stewardess lower the stairs on a previous flight, figures he has it all worked out.

The hard part, putting a name on the criminal who was acting as a terrorist.

So far, that has not happened, not even in this thread.

Matt

So far the method used is speculation, yes? Since we really don't have a good eye witness account and description, we kind of make assumptions based on the limited testimony.

Just like the "he died-he survived" discussions.

Both sides, of both arguments, are possible. Heck he could have survived and lost the money, or kept the money and died, etc.

Honestly, Vickie's uncle seems a better suspect at the moment, since we have no body, and with that, no answers. It all fits. (And I do not mean that in a facetious way)

Matt

quade

***But, to suggest someone murdered another human being, just for a story, crazy.

If that was what she did that would be one thing. Don't blow it out of proportion though because that's NOT what she did. She said;

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I would not put it past him to have...

Which is something different from an actual accusation of murder.

As for Bruce, simmer down.

As for Jo, likewise.

Honestly, a number of you are serial offenders and are pretty damn close to getting booted. Talk about the subject, disagree with the theories, but for goodness sake cut it with the attacks on each other. It's so old it's silly.

As she wrote it, sure I see your point. As to her context of the post, I see mine, as do many others. It does fit her history of attack posts, personal in nature.

Matt

skyjack71

LAST NIGHT DID ME IN - I HAD A VERY IMPORTANT APPT TODAY AND I GOT VIRTUALLY NO SLEEP AFTER HIS SLANDEROUS POST![/BLUE]

[BLUE]I WAS SO EXHAUSTED TRYING TO DO THAT LAST POST - REGARDING THE LATTER THINGS HE SAID AND THE CREEP ONLY APOLOGIZED FOR ONE THING. [/BLUE]

Bruce is into weird THINGS! I would not put it past him to have killed COSSEY for a story! NOW, how does BRUCE feel about the table being turned. He was johnnie on the spot hounding the detectives!
Bruce is only interested in weird things - he does not care about the TRUTH regarding Cooper.

THIS is evident by what he writes and how he treats people. NOTE how he words his question!

You've crossed the line there. You should be suspended from here for a while over that.

Stick to the truth, if it doesn't support your theories, and so far it doesn't, then move one.

But, to suggest someone murdered another human being, just for a story, crazy.

Matt

skyjack71

Put these men in chutes and you might put Weber in a chute

This doesn't put Duane Weber, common criminal, in a chute.
But, it does answer a question you keep avoiding, the answer is "No, you can not put Duane in a chute." ( You can't even put him in the state during the time of the crime.)

Your earlier diatribes? Terrible. you are every thing you accuse others of, and more.

The case is still, OPEN.
Duane, is NOT a suspect (nor KC)
And the FBI owes you nothing in regards to this case.

It is time to move on. You're the only sane one left thinking Duane was Cooper, the only one ignoring the facts - there is no evidence even linking him to the crime.

Matt

diablopilot

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However, when I train a tandem I always show them all of the components of the rig, I show them how it works and why. I go over airplane emergencies, I inform them how we spot, I give them an altimeter and train them to pull. I inform them on freefall skills, how to steer, control and flare the canopy.

Which is probably one reason why you have 3000 jumps in 11 years.

If you did 1000 jumps a year I can guarantee you would not do all that.

You save that for the second jump.

Funny thing about that.... I've got that 900-1000 jump per year average, 8500+ tandems, and 13,000 total, and I DO show them all of that. It's required by federal law in the US.

As it should be. +1
Anything less is substandard.

Matt

In the end, Robert, has become, Jo.

Same technique, same style, same method, same end -not the suspect, not even a starter.

Matt

Ah yes, the Burden of Proof, it is on Robert to prove his case, thus far, it has not left the inspectors desk yet, no reason for a ADA to even take the phone call.

Same with the other oft touted, and more often debunked, suspect.

Matt

cryptocoin

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However, when I train a tandem I always show them all of the components of the rig, I show them how it works and why. I go over airplane emergencies, I inform them how we spot, I give them an altimeter and train them to pull. I inform them on freefall skills, how to steer, control and flare the canopy.

Which is probably one reason why you have 3000 jumps in 11 years.

If you did 1000 jumps a year I can guarantee you would not do all that.

You save that for the second jump.

Why stop doing it right? For what, more $$? More jump #'s?


Matt

RobertMBlevins

***Robert, you're being obtuse.
Your web page has many factual mistakes, like the book, and like the book, most are discussed here, you're well aware of them.
You're a professional, act as such, fix the actual, factual mistakes, it is that simple.
Once you do that, we all will be able to move on, including you, as you'll finally be objective enough to see KC isn't a viable suspect.

You're starting to act like a few other childish posters here.
(maybe grand-child-ish is a better analogy, given their age)

Matt

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"I have heard you..."

Jimmy Carter, from the film Used Cars.

Here's the problem: Everyone got an opinion, as the saying goes. We may have differing opinions on what constitutes 'factual mistakes'. That's why instead of everyone wasting their time saying that there ARE mistakes, and stamping their feet about them...shutter should just post a concise list and I will see what I can do. I want to see a final list. Until that happens, I'm not doing a thing beyond what I already did, which was to change 'bought house for cash' to 'purchased home under suspicious circumstances'. just reworded the same mistake, imo.

This is a lot of work to modify the public PDF and the webpage. And I don't feel like doing it six or seven or a dozen times. Submit list. I will consider making changes. Then after I do, I won't have to read any more of this stuff, because I will go right down the list and show you that the changes were made. One time, one chance. Submit your requests for changes below, be specific, keep your explanations short if you can. This is a one-shot deal, so make sure you submit a proper list because I'm not doing this work a second time, nor will I being doing it for everyone who posts here, so you guys might want to put your heads together offline and agree on something final. I will look. I will do the work necessary. Otherwise, please stop whining. I hate to use that word, but I have been more than fair here and this is starting to sound like whining from a (possible) Cooperland Peanut Gallery.

You're off here. The responsibility to be factual is on you. You know your story isn't factual, it is mostly innuendo.

Look how long it took us to get an honest and factual answer about KC and his military training?

Like Jo's story, and they both are stories, the more even the newest of Cooper sleuths looks at your suspect, he becomes an none suspect.

The tenacity in which you try and feign that you're not 100% behind KC as the Hijacker is very Knossish.

The case has not been solved, and the two suspects most commonly touted here, are eliminated by their own supporters and "facts".

Time to put those efforts on finding actual facts, evidence, and actual suspects.

He could still be alive, sitting at a beach front bar in Mexico using his G4s as a hot spot scrolling through this thread on his Mac Book, laughing as he orders another bourbon. (Just a theory, no actual evidence to support this)

Matt

Robert, you're being obtuse.
Your web page has many factual mistakes, like the book, and like the book, most are discussed here, you're well aware of them.
You're a professional, act as such, fix the actual, factual mistakes, it is that simple.
Once you do that, we all will be able to move on, including you, as you'll finally be objective enough to see KC isn't a viable suspect.

You're starting to act like a few other childish posters here.
(maybe grand-child-ish is a better analogy, given their age)

Matt

Robert99

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I can put him [Duane] in a Chute...

Jo,

We are waiting for you to retract this. It is not the truth.

377

Jo, When you retract the above claim, how about also admitting that your recent claims about Duane being involved in some heroic incidents are also false. And, further, the information on the incidents you described was based on things you saw on the CIA's web page and cable TV.

Robert99

She actually hasn't put Weber in WA at the time of the hijacking either.

So:
Not in a Chute
Not trained
Not in the WA area at the time
Not known for being successful as a crook
No other actual evidence to make him a suspect. All the circumstance, gets explained away pretty easy with a common sense approach and basic deductive reasoning. Most of the story is just a "need", not about actually solving the crime.

KC same issue with actual evidence, and like Weber, all the circumstance, gets explained away pretty easy with a common sense approach and basic deductive reasoning.

All this thread space and band width and we still harp on two NONE suspects.

Matt

377

******
wasn't Cooper's demand that they stay under 10,000?

added notes: In the transcripts Cooper doesn't say 10,000 (see photo)

In a 21 Jan 97 Arizona Daily Star article about a presentation by Scott:

"Once Cooper got his sack of money, he ordered Scott to fly as low and slowly as possible and drop the back steps."

When you think about it that would be a very risky command. The crew would have been happy to drop him over the Pacific Ocean. "As low as possible" taken literally could have them flying at low AGL altitude that would have put Cooper at risk. Much safer to command a specific altitude that you know will give you enough AGL altitude to exit then perhaps freefall and then deploy.

377

Eh, he was a bad ass top secret super spy black ops assassin combat veteran microwave emitting radio carrying super criminal MK Ultra tripping Don Juan smoke-jumping wilderness survival expert, he just needed to tie the bag, hold his nose, pull the ripcord (on the last step) splash in, and swim in to history! All the way to Florida.

Matt

MarkBennett

***************Well, damn!

So much for getting on Paul's "Cowards List" now. I really wanted to make it on to that list.

He had not come right out and said it ... but I was just this { } close... a skosh more an I would have made it.

The list is short. But those on it are of a rare breed!

Matt


Am I on it, Matt? I forget. I know you're on it, but I don't know why.

I thought you were the most courageous person at Ariel because you walked over to the DB Cooper Memorabilia corner with GC ALL BY YOURSELF. Vicki was watching your back, I think, and made an intervention after awhile. But you took the first few steps by yourself, and bought his book.

Cajones, I say.

I'm on the list, yes.

But I have no idea what the second paragraph you wrote is about, I wasn't there. That must be someone else.

Matt

That was me who went over and talked to GreyCop in Ariel. We're both "M"'s, so easy to confuse. I couldn't make sense of his story. Vicki came over after several minutes and told him they had copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for sale and he scampered right away.

As near as I can tell, the way to get on GreyCop's cowards list is to refuse to call him and talk about the case. I bought a copy of his book to give him a fair chance.

But, it seems like me, Bruce and Matt are the permanent three members of that list.

Then, I am honored!

Yeah, I would rather discuss facts, and not get into myths.
I truly do not believe the highjacking suspect has been named in this, or the other, thread. There has been no actual evidence or facts to make me believe otherwise.

Matt

mrshutter45

"GUYS HOW MANY YRS HAVE WE HEARD THIS ABOUT STUFF BEING DONE OFF LINE."

Jo, sometimes it's just better to communicate off the thread while discussing things. no arguments, ego's etc. all left at the door. this is not the only place to go for Cooper discussions, plus it always ends up in arguments about candidates vs evidence on here. I wish the levels of discussion "offline" could happen on here.

+1

Matt

BruceSmith

*********Well, damn!

So much for getting on Paul's "Cowards List" now. I really wanted to make it on to that list.

He had not come right out and said it ... but I was just this { } close... a skosh more an I would have made it.

The list is short. But those on it are of a rare breed!

Matt


Am I on it, Matt? I forget. I know you're on it, but I don't know why.

I thought you were the most courageous person at Ariel because you walked over to the DB Cooper Memorabilia corner with GC ALL BY YOURSELF. Vicki was watching your back, I think, and made an intervention after awhile. But you took the first few steps by yourself, and bought his book.

Cajones, I say.

I'm on the list, yes.

But I have no idea what the second paragraph you wrote is about, I wasn't there. That must be someone else.

Matt

grimmie

So what poor bastards will be freezing their asses off into the Super Bowl demo??? Anyone???

I dunno, but I will envy them! Cold or not, that jump will be awesome!

There is very few times where you can match the feeling you get when you enter the top of the stadium and hear 75,000+ people cheer your arrival! (But, that same crowd can crush your ego when you plant a "5" )


Matt