MikeGerwig

Well said tom they try very hard for us skydivers to have a nice day It just takes a little understanding to realize how much work it takes to run a dropzone of this size

I didn't have the presence of mind to wait for its return. It made a 1 to 2 hundred ft. pass ( It my have been lower )

Taft has a brand new PAC-750 Airplane. It's made just for SkyDiving. It will hold 18-Jumpers ( They must be on the small side ) But I was in it this week end and it took 13 with plenty of rome left over to altitude in comfort. It's not Mike Mullins King Air but it isn't slow either. It has 750HP and has what looks like to me very high lift wings. It has two padded bench seats that run from the pilot to 3/4 the way to the door. It has hand rails that run the full length on the inside and for anyone in the door on the outside. plus a step that will hold everyone in the door including front and rear floaters to include the video diver too. I watched an 8-way pulled out this week end and they had plenty of room and hand holds. If you live in the L.A. area come on up to Taft and help keep this airplane here

I'm still trying to find what to say

I'm going to give the method that my rigger suggested a 100% effort Sunday at Taft. Mike Mullens will be there so I will be packing as fast as I can and this is my riggers home DZ. If I have any real problems I can have him give me a refresher packing demo. I know where the battle is in this method, I just have to get the " I can do it " attitude and stuff my Pilot to get in the #!@^%& Ddag. It's just learning a new technique.

Thanks for the concern. I tried the psycho pack method since I've posted. It doesn't seem to be any easier than a tight Pro Pack. It won't roll up tight enough to make much difference. After I get 100 more jumps on it I think it will roll tighter but then agin that will allow a tighter Pro Pack. Pro packing makes better since to me. I just got back from my rigger and he made it look easy...doable is what I learned. The technique for me to learn is to actually put it in the bag and not let it get away from me. It's all in the folding. Rolling the the tail( very well ) before it's layed down is a key to not having it get away. Keeping my knee on the junction of the lines and trailing edge and not moving it while I tuck in the sides, doing it quickly and not allowing it to reinflate is another thing for me to learn. The first fold of bringing the line groups with the trailing edge up onto the rest of the canopy is important too. Once I can the bag on the corners, It's just a mater of stuffing it in before it gets away. I left out some of the other steps but these are the ones that I have to get better at.

My apologies to bob.dino. In your reply I couldn't see anything for me to open up. I didn't think of clicking on 'this'. It wasn't till a friend of mine said he found the link useful that I realized that I missed something. That was the reason for my " ? " reply I'm not able to access that site right now but I'll try agin later. My friend said It's about Psycho Packing. I'm going to learn how.

Thanks for the info. I can see that it's gonna fit. All I have to do now is learn how.

This helps. Now that I know it can be done I'll try a little harder. I will get someone who knows more than me to show me how.

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I used to like packing

I'm having a devil of a time just trying to get it in the Dbag. After it's had all the air I can get out of it by laying on it and making sure that the tail is still wraped around compleatly and my line groups are still even. I then skrunch the bridle ends loose material into itself to make it manageable enough to fold onto itself and then I try to put that in the Dbag. I now have a bout 1/3 of the canopy inside the Dbag. This is where I wish I had four hands. Even with just this amount in, The Dbag looks very full. I then notice that the tail has unlossened and I have to hold it closed. Thats dooable but at the same time I notice that my line groups are not so even anymore. I believe that the D group has moved back a few inches. Thats not a serious problem yet. I then stand the Dbag on end and try to stuff the rest in. I pay attention to my line groups and try not to agravate the situation. It's around this point that I start to get discouraged. I just can't believe that I'll be able to get the rest in there. It becomes incresinly harder to keep any order in the line groups and I start having visions of line overs, big burns and all sorts of bad things that can happen. The closing loop is 4 inches long. Maybe I could get a bigger Dbag. Getting a bigger Dbag in the container sounds better that trying to get this pilot in this Dbag.

I've recently bought a '00 J2 Javelin with 600 jumps on it. It also has a 181 raven reserve. I was led to believe that my new( 50 jumps ) 168 Pilot shouldn't be too much of a problem and that I would maybe have to lengthen the closing loop. I've tried and I really think this is a lost cause. Has anyone been able to this. I didn't try the precision (psycho pack)packing method I did my best at Pro Packing. I'm still new at this but I would like to here that someone that has done it so I can feel that it can be done.