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I agree with you - legal way is the best way. But, you have to understand and appreciate (as i'm sure you do) the legal means to now enter your country for a low skilled migrant worker is next to impossible. There is no way (from my understanding of the immigration laws there) they will be eligible to enter the country legally.
but that is not the USA's problem.... That is Mexico's problem. Why should we fix it?
If it is really that bad in Mexico, maybe the people there should rise up against the government and have them fix it. Happens all over the world all the time.
It is not up to the US to fix all of the worlds problems...Just some of them :-)
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QuoteOf course you own the area it occupies, but does owning a house mean i should stop others coming here so they can buy their own too? Does it mean i call this "my" country and afflict some right of ownership over who should be able to come here? No. All it does is show me that if i can be comfortable, anyone should be allowed to be comforable as my neighbour, as long as they want to make a contribution to society, legally or otherwise.
If someone wants to come here, and mop floors in a restaurant and clean up after us illegally so they can live the life i'm lucky enough to have, go right ahead i say. Just because you have some material possession gives you no right to call a country "yours" in my opinion. Contribution to society and other citizens lives makes you a true "owner" of that land, not through material possessions.
I honestly have no idea how you jump from one point to the next, but it seems like you are scrambling....
I call the USA "MY" country.
1) because I contribute to the society here.
2) I am a citizen (Legally)
3) I own property here
4) I pay taxes and vote here.
5) I have a vested interest in the sucsess of my nation.
Any person here Illegally has disrespected the country, the laws of the land and therefore shown no respect to the place I live. They should be removed immediately at the expense of the nation they are from. If they wish to move here as my ancestors did, they should file accordingly like my anscestors did.
Period. End of argument.
Anything beyond that is quite absurd.
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I am not sure what you are arguing, but this guy thinks BUSH is trying just to spread chistianity.
I think if that were true, he wouldn't have helped create a multi religous mostly muslim government in Iraq. I think it is a very valid point.
The liberal also screamed NO WAR FOR OIL before iraq... Because that is what their shallow minds thought this was about. This much I know...
If we went to Iraq for OIL, then we are getting screwed right now!!! I pay 2.50 for regular :-)
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I will agree to disagree.
I think it can be done, but for political reasons, neither
side is will to step up and do what is right. (Or left)
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QuoteQuoteYour arguement is fundamentally flawed. If you are a US Citizen... Then you can call the USA "Your" country. You pay taxes and you contribute.
Same in England.
Now..... I am guessing that your ancestors are not Native Brits. Go back far enough and you'll see I am right.
Most austrailians are not native either, but that is England's fault for Dumping their prisinoes there.
So I ask Newbie.... What's your point?
My argument isn't flawed because it's human nature - we all want the best for ourselves and our families. That will never change. Do i consider this "my" country? No. I am a citizen of this land, but i don't consider it mine. I don't consider the land where my parents came from mine either. I don't consider any where in the world "mine" because i personally think we should consider it "ours" as in all of ours, but thats too idealistic to many.
Just because i pay taxes does not mean i own anything here. It means i get something if i'm unwell (healthcare) it means i get an education for my kids and it means i have police, firefighters and paramedics to help me if i'm in trouble. I don't own anything but i do feel entitled to something. Now if someone comes here, wants to contribute and pay taxes, fine - let them - why should i keep someone down. But the original poster was not saying that - he was saying that these people must be stopped from entering "his" country. Illegals in this country and NOT subject to free health care, just as they are not in the US either, from what i understand. No one here illegally can claim benefits or welfare, the same as the US, from what i can gather.
I know Mexicans who came to America decades ago and made a nice life for themselves. They achieved the "American dream", through hard work and made a nice life for their family (surprisingly they only have 2 children!).
Not all 10 million Mexicans are illegal, not all 10 million have 10 kids and not all of them do nothing.
So, if you Buy property you don't own that????
Interesting!!!
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No-one would come here illegally if there wasn't an employer willing (wanting) to give them jobs.
Policing the border will never work, it's too long and difficult. Sanctioning employers who employ illegals is the way to go.
Do you like cheap lettuce and avocados, grapes and peaches? If so, then don't complain, you are part of the problem.
This is a common misconception!!!!
Policing the border can work!!!
China has been doing a pretty damn good job stopping N. Koreans coming across their border havent' they!!!!
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Your arguement is fundamentally flawed. If you are a US Citizen... Then you can call the USA "Your" country. You pay taxes and you contribute.
Same in England.
Now..... I am guessing that your ancestors are not Native Brits. Go back far enough and you'll see I am right.
Most austrailians are not native either, but that is England's fault for Dumping their prisinoes there.
So I ask Newbie.... What's your point?
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never had a problem with vonage in the 2 yrs I have had it.
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What is your point?
I do say stupid things sometimes....
As do you and everyone else here.
I am merely pointing out that saying the president is trying to spread Chistianity throughout the middle east is an ignorant, unfounded, stupid thing to say.
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QuoteFactoring in inflation and cost of living, gas is still cheaper than it has ever been.
Actually that is not true!!!
It was cheaper last year factoring all those things in :-)
Gas is the most expensive it has been in 10yrs when factoring inflation and cost of living.
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QuoteYou might want to tone down the leading statement there before a greenie forks you
or maybe you don't
I appreciate your concern, but I thought about what I wrote before I wrote it. I am not attacking the poster, I am attacking the information posted.
Because someone makes a stupid post doesn't mean they are a stupid person.
I say stupid things all the time, but again, it doesn't make me dumb.
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Also, as a side note. It is difficult to take comments you make seriously when you stoop to the childish level of calling people names.
We know you don't like the President. But refering to him (any president) as a chimp is somewhat childish. It makes not only you look immature, but also your posts. Just some advise for you If you want people to take you seriously, and your views seriously, maybe you could argue with a bit more maturity.
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And the winner of the Most ignorant stupid statement of the week goes to EBSB52 for this one
" leave the area and quit forcing Christianity on them. "
I guess you overlooked the composition of the Iraqi government now in place thanks to the US. I also guess that is to be expected from shallow uneducated posts.
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Also, before Hitler declared war on America, U.S. ships often engaged in hostilities with German U- boats as they escorted ocean convoys from America to England. The U.S. regularly sent arms to England via those convoys - regularly aided Germany's arch enemy in war against Germany. (In fact, an important historical footnote to those convoys is that America's previously-sensible Neutrality Act was amended, at the urging of Roosevelt's administration, for the express purpose of getting America involved in the European side of WWII via the sending of arms to England)
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America committed the first act of aggression in the Germany vs. America portion of the war when a U.S. destroyer used depth-charges against a German submarine, in April 1941. Thanks FDR!!!
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Well, one thing I would say is that Tower people probably deserve the most of the 3 groups, (Center, Tracon, Tower) even though they are actually paid the least.
Go figure.
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Speaking of ATC... Here we go:
WASHINGTON -- The Federal Aviation Administration and the union representing air traffic controllers traded barbs ahead of what's expected to be contentious contract negotiations beginning next week.
FAA chief Marion Blakey and National Air Traffic Controllers Association President John Carr both said they hoped and expected that talks would go well, but there was no mistaking the animosity between the two sides during back-to-back news conferences Wednesday.
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Blakey said controllers make far more money than other public servants, control scheduling and hold back modernization projects.
Carr retorted that the FAA is hostile to controllers, who are concerned about the system's safety and efficiency because of the agency's reluctance to deal with modernization problems.
The talks, which begin Monday, come at the end of a five-year contract that expired Sept. 30, 2003, but was extended for two years with minor changes.
A disagreement over a proposal to increase the number of privately run air traffic control towers in 2003 threatened to stall an aviation spending bill in Congress until a compromise was reached that shielded air traffic control jobs from privatization for a year.
Controllers also have said they are overworked because the FAA froze hiring while scores of controllers left. Most retired, a harbinger of the expected wave of retirements by the replacements for the 12,000 striking controllers President Reagan fired in 1981. The FAA has since announced a plan to replenish the ranks of controllers.
Blakey, at a news conference, said the FAA is hampered by costly work rules and side agreements.
"We can't afford an agreement like 1998 that saddled the FAA with excessive costs, archaic work rules and restrictions on our ability to modernize the system," Blakey said. She said controllers, who earn an average annual salary of $165,400, shouldn't be paid significantly more than commercial pilots, police officers or firefighters.
"I'm surprised she stooped so low so soon," Carr shot back on a conference call shortly afterward.
Carr said Blakey abandoned efforts to work with the union on productivity -- efforts that offset half the cost of the contract from 1999-2001.
Carr acknowledged that the controllers' union has armed itself for the upcoming talks with several public relations firms.
"We will spend whatever it takes," he said.
For its part, the FAA recently hired Joseph Miniace, deputy assistant administrator for labor relations. He formerly headed the Pacific Maritime Association, which locked out West Coast dockworkers in 2002. When two armed guards protected Miniace during mediation session, union workers accused him of sabotaging the session with "gun-toting security guards."
Though the specter of the 1981 controllers' strike looms over the upcoming negotiations, both Carr and Blakey said they couldn't imagine a strike.
Still, Blakey said, "No one has said that labor negotiations are going to be easy."
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On the whole, I think air traffic controllers are far more deserving of big bucks incomes than attorneys.
Of course you do....
Because ATC do 3.5 hours work in an 8hr day.
Most Lawyers do more than 8.
ATC'ers only need a high school diploma or at most a 6 month course at the Minniapolis ARTCC.
Lawyers need on an average need 8yrs of schooling beyond HS.
Of course you think it is OK that ATCs base salary in NY is 165K + Differencial and OT = on average 220K. While their bosses in management can only make 175K maximum.
Your views are very typical of those on the outside of the industry. Fact is, we don't even need ATCs. The Union is fighting all new technology to advance safety in controlling traffic... Why?
Because they realize that the technology can do their job better than them fo whole hell of a lot less.
You ever worked in a Center or a TRACON?
Have you ever seen what kind of joke it is?
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speaking of which, I don't think the US Gov is going to allow A chinese comany to buy unical.
Why do we have to fight the chinese though????
They have nearly no natural resources. I think you are saying the chinese will soon be invading to take other peoples resources.
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QuoteQuoteWell, based on your comments on the thread about Brazil moving away from Imported oil, it implied you didn't like the idea of expensive gas.
I don't like the idea of fossil fuel when there are better alternatives. And Brazil was moving towards ethanol, not just away from imported oil.
this is true, however, Brazil started moving toward ethanol 20+ yrs ago. Ethanol is a good idea, however, that is a long term plan currently in Bush's energy bill. Ethanol could not help much in the next 10 yrs. Anwar would be more of a mid range idea... As for short term ideas... there are none other than the Oil reserve (which I would oppose).
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Well, based on your comments on the thread about Brazil moving away from Imported oil, it implied you didn't like the idea of expensive gas.
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I am still waiting for your respone from another thread...
Talk about Government waste!!!
You are the one supporting NATCA the ATC Union, when it has been proven that in just one of 500 AT Facilities, that union wasted 4.12 Million in US tax dollars last year.
But you think Union = Good.
Union = Waste!!!
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Answer the substance ofthe questions. Fuck, getting some conservatives to answer questions is like writing interoggatories. I realize there is no data that makes your party / bush look good, which is why the distraction, but now that I've called it out, try to answer questions.
Funny.... Maybe you should read your first response in this thread!!!!
lol... talk about not being able to answer questions. I sometimes wonder if you even read the questions.
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I love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas,
and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration....
You guys make my day!!!!
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Gas Prices
in Speakers Corner
If you are born blind... No big deal! you never knew what it was like to see anyway. You don't know what you are missing.
If your sight was lost at 20yrs old, it is a lot tougher to handle because you will always know the convenience of sight and forever miss it.
You have always had high gas... But it is part of your society... You know how to cope with it better :-)
We always had cheap gas, but it has doubled in about 2.5 yrs.
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