Westerly

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  1. 1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

    Somebody needs to tell Biden that we can stop COVID with lockdowns because he said 

    “there’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months.”

    Except there is a very easy way to change the trajectory. Finish the vaccination program. Step up the efforts and get this done quicker. If everyone got vaccinated over the next several months, the trajectory would be a complete 180. Even if only 50% of the USA got vaccinated in the next few months, that by itself would drastically reduce the number of cases. I mean, at worse it would be half of whatever it would be if no one was vaccinated.

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    28 minutes ago, billvon said:

    Yep.  The evil lefty lockdown by the mean, dumb lefties is  . . . working.  Here in CA we've seen the new infection rate effectively flat for about a month now, and it's actually been declining for the past week. 

    That represents hundreds more people (at least) who will survive here in CA.

     

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    And add to the fact that the CA 'lockdown' is anything but. Most people are not staying at home. They are still doing as they do, just there are some restrictions on things like bars, late night partying, ect. A true lockdown would be you dont leave the house, and most people are still leaving their homes plenty.

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    7 minutes ago, ryoder said:

    So the fact they are the first two mRNA vaccines doesn't even enter into it, eh?

    So you're saying there is no possibility that two seperate companies could have developed a new tech? It has to be a conspiracy theory? You realize the dosing instruction is different for the two? One you wait 21 days, the other 28. You know mRNA is not new right? It has existence for some time, just it's never been used in humans. But it's been used in animals many times. What's with you freaking guys and always assuming it's the 1% chance conclusion over the 99% chance one? Like everything has to be some giant conspiracy. 

  7. 3 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

    Yes, but why are you so pessimistic?

    Because history is a pretty clear indicator of the future. Name anything that we've done during this pandemic that hasent failed on an epic scale other than develop the vaccine? The entirety of all aspects of everything related to this pandemic has been a joke. It's been used as a political front to create divide which has resulted in countless deaths. We haven't gotten a single thing right since this started.

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    3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

    Science should inform one’s behavior, not fear.

    https://towardsdatascience.com/covid-19-comorbidities-are-the-elephant-in-the-room-7d185bd6cfe2

    Yep and that exact link also demonstrates what everyone already knows. That is two points:

    -The vast majority of those who die from Covid are over 60.

    -The vast majority of those over 60 have a preexisting condition. (75%, increasing to 85% at age 80).

    -Ultimately, nearly 1 in 2 Americans have a preexisting condition, so it's less 'covid only kills those with a preexisting condition' and more 'most people, especially older people have a preexisting condition regardless'.

    Correlational and causation are not the same thing. All old people have a preexisting condition so of course they would also have it when they die.

     

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    Also, using that same data for most under 50 it doesent matter if you have a preexisting condition or not. For someone who is 35 the chance of death is 0.004% if they have no existing condition and rises to 0.200% if they have one, which is still extremely low.

  10. 9 minutes ago, billvon said:

    ?? The article said nothing like that.  Stop spreading misinformation.

     

    It's called deductive reasoning. Look it up. If they are holding 300k doses back and they are not going to be administered, which the article did say, then obviously those doses are not going to just be magically replaced on the spot with new ones.

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    6 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

    Trump Stacks the Pentagon and Intel Agencies With Loyalists. To What End? Nov. 11, 2020

    Trump rushes to dole out plum appointments to allies on way out the door  18 December 2020

    From tariffs and trade to the status of Uber drivers, regulators are trying to install new rules or reduce regulations before President-elect Joe Biden takes over..  Jan. 11, 2021

    FDA fights for independence in Trump administration's final days. 01/13/2021

    Hope Hicks Is Now in Charge of the Fulbright Scholarship, and Other Appointments Trump Is Making Just to F--k With Everyone. December 23, 2020

    and on and on and on.

    All pointless. Biden could reverse every one of those things in his first hour of office. I dont get the point of firing everyone you dont like a week before you're out of a job. Biden could easily just fire all of the replacements and hire the old guys back, which I wouldent be surprised if he did.

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    3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

    You might want to practice your skills on Bonfire for a while.

    You're right, North Korea which is the most totalitarian dictatorship in the entire known universe, which has basically no health care system of any sort and no government except for military supremacy, has somehow been able to contain the most contagious virus of the current times. A feat that more than 200 other countries have failed to claim, including all 10 of the top 10 most medically-advanced countries. I dont supposed this totalitarian dictatorship might possibly be lying about their numbers for the sake of holding high the trusted Lil Kim name? Probably not... I am sure it's the first one.

    Then again it's hard to claim you have confirmed COVID-19 cases when you don't actually poses any testing ability nor any medical system to obtain and examine the results in the first place. So maybe they are technically honest. Lots of covid deaths, but no covid cases I am sure.
     

  15. 9 hours ago, brenthutch said:

    No, just simple logic.

    If locking the country down would have saved millions of lives.  We would have had to have lost millions of lives in the first place.

    Yea, is that logic based on a comprehensive study of your favorite Covid-related discussions on Facebook? It's been publicly modeled and stated by all of the health officials that if we do nothing millions will die from Covid. So far every projection they have made has come true. In fact, Trump explicitly claimed he 'saved millions of lives' by enacting the lockdowns. He used those models as a speaking point to praise himself on how good of a job he did.

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    7 hours ago, BIGUN said:

    Well, according to the Who Coronavirus map; Turkmenistan and North Korea are obviously doing even better than them with 0 cases and 0 deaths.

    Except both of those numbers are bullshit, so not really. Sort of like how China was the epicenter of the outbreak, but suddenly one day they went from thousands of cases a day to zero overnight. Ugh ha.

  17. 16 hours ago, BIGUN said:

     The bottom line is, EVERYONE has fucked this up from the top down no matter what (X) is after their name. 

     

    There are some countries doing very well actually. New Zealand and Vietnam have done very well. They both have next to no cases.

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    7 hours ago, brenthutch said:

     It is not based on any rational assessment.

    Is that based on an extensive study involving several hours a day on Facebook? The people who actually know what they are talking about (e.g. the MDs and PhDs) would argue otherwise. When the hospitals get overwhelmed, shit gets real quickly for anyone who needs medical attention. In some parts of CA, they are literately turning people away who would normally get front-line treatment in the ER because they flat-out dont have the resources. There are no beds and no one to help. Healthcare is not an unlimited resource and if it's consumed then it's gone and you dont get it. That's a problem for anyone who would need to go to the hospital for any reason, including reasons that are not related to Covid and not the patient's fault in any capacity.


     

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    Despite the overwhelming evidence that the cost of lockdowns far outweighs the limited benefits, many policymakers lack the backbone or creativity to come up with any alternative.

     

    Saving millions of lives is considered a 'limited benefit'?

    It's not the policymakers that are the problem, it is the people. The CDC has made it clear what we need to do to stop the spread. If we had 100% compliance, there would be no lockdowns anywhere because this shit would be under control. But people like to just ignore the problem and hope it will go away and that's not how this works, so as expected the problem just gets worse. That's entirely and squarely our fault because we're the ones causing this problem in the first place. The dude who wont wear his mask. The bar who throws a massive NYE party. The family that has a 30-person get-together over the holidays. We are to blame for our mistakes, not the government.

    I had a solution, it's a effective and it is super simple. No restrictions, no mask requirements, but anytime the positivity rate increases above 7.5% in the state, the entire state goes into lockdown for a minimum of 21 days or until the rate drops below 5%. No one goes out, not for any reason unless absolutely necessary. Then put it on the people. Want to keep your job, business and home? Then you better wise up quickly. This will cause society to start putting pressure on others to do the right thing because otherwise everyone will be in deep shit. There are states doing similar things right now and they tend to constantly be in the top 5 for lowest infection rates nationwide.
     

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    I wonder if all the crying liberals who always advocate for dissolving the NRA would be equally as quick to support legislature to repeal the 1st amendment. God knows I can sure as hell think of a few people who's speech being censored would be in everyone's best interest. If this is about saving lives, I'd argue that spreading false information has killed far more people than gun violence ever has.

  25. The problem is the mere presence of political parties. There needs to be a constitutional amendment baring the creation or affiliation of any political party by any member of congress. Everyone must be an independent. That would solve a lot of issues overnight.