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Thanks for your reply.
But what is a Lodi Loop? I used to jump at Lodi, CA - does it have anything to do with something that originated there?

Unbelievable how little runway it needs to get airborne.

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No one ever got hurt from having too much canopy.

True, but if the loading is too light wouldn't that reduce forward speed, and thus penetration on a breezy day?
Heck, a 95-lb jumper under 300 sq ft on a day with thermals could hover all day. Under much less loading, I once stayed in the air for quite some time during a summer jump.

France and Spain, 1 year; UK, 6 months last I checked a couple of weeks ago.

It's a shame then that they don't offer the standard bag to those who want them. It should be an option.

Was there a problem with the standard bag that caused them to change over exclusively to the speed bag? If so, do you know what it was?

No, I didn't cross posts. I merely commented that the guy's rig in the youtube video provided by another poster was jumping an Aerodyne rig, and not a Racer. It was a relevant observation. What's the title of the post I crossed?

If you really wanted to know why I asked the question regarding packing Racer reserves, instead of assuming I had an agenda all you had to do was post the question "Why do you ask?"
I would gladly have answered.
Of course, it's easier and faster to just make an assumption that is probably wrong rather than ask someone a question and get the truth.

Yes, I have an agenda - it's to find out why some riggers won't repack reserves in Racer rigs. It's that simple, and it's nothing more than that. Thanks to those posters who stuck to the subject and provided great info - you know who you are, your help is much appreciated.

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By the way fill in your profile so we know who the hell we're talking to.Mad

Sorry, no can do. I'm the Phantom Swahili Skydiver on a mission to teach DZ.com forum posters Swahili so that they can understand my posts.

Looks like his rig was an Aerodyne - elongated middle ring.

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I used to train riggers on the finer points of the Racer. No longer since they went solely to the Speed Bag.

Do you know about when they went solely with the speed bag? Or if a standard freebag is still an option? Thanks.

EXCELLENT information, thank you. I will look into this with P-Labs and get their take on it.
I love it when a poster includes lots of information and references. Great post!

But this is a totally different thread!
So now we're crossing threads??
Threads should be viewed individually, just like riggers view each rig/reserve individually before they decide whether or not to pack them.
Again, my thread regarding the Racer stipulated a PDR reserve, quite clearly. Could we please stay on this thread and not confuse things by crossing apples and oranges?

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But jumpers in general get stupidly emotional about the strangest things.

Isn't that the truth!!

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YOU need to read you OP and not assume the rigging world revolves around ramairs.

No sir, YOU need to read my OP in which I CLEARLY stated that the reserve is a PDR.

Because as I mentioned in my OP, jumpers either love Racers or hate them. I've never seen a piece of skydiving equipment polarize a group as much as this rig.

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Finally, please assume the reserve is a currently-made PDR.

I included the above comment in my OP. Please check the OP for yourself.
I thought I made all conditions clear. Unless PD currently makes rounds?
Last time I checked, two days ago, I only saw two reserves in PD's product line, and both were ramairs.
Maybe I'm speaking Swahili again. Learned some in grade school and it must be slipping out.

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Here's the depends you won't like. IF I did a lot of sport rigging AND if there were a lot of Racers in the area then I might pack them.

It's not that I don't like this comment, it's that from a logic standpoint it makes no sense to me. You won't currently pack Racers for a multitude of reasons (including almost going in strapped to one) and, I assume, for possible liability reasons. Yet, you say if a lot of jumpers in your area jumped Racers you might pack them. Can I safely conclude that money could change your mind? I would think that if you were against packing Racers for safety, liability, or other reasons that you would stick to that conviction even if everyone in the country switched to Racers.
Your comment totally baffles me - thinking about it has sprained my brain.
I'd love an explanation.

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No. I hate Racers. I had a 1400 foot reserve total on an SST with the same pin configuration. Part of why I became a rigger. And I don't like the current reserve bag.

Did you determine was caused the total, and explain what it is about the current bag you don't like?

That's not true. What I asked for was a yes or no, followed by an explanation as to reasoning. I never said you couldn't have a yes under certain conditions, and a no under other conditions. What had me clenching and teeth and loosening fillings was people going off subject (e.g. bringing up rounds) or giving answers that obviously showed they either didn't read the original post carefully or decided not to answer it directly.
I'm detail oriented, so the more info, examples, and case studies provided the happier I am. If you'd write a book about your rigger experiences and included a chapter on Racers, I'd read it.

In that case his only option to stay safe and legal would be to have the reserve repacked by another rigger at the event. Not so bad if his 180-day cycle were coming up.

Thanks for your honest input. I've read this on another forum thread, with the result that the reserve ripcord pull force required to clear the closing loop greatly exceeded legal requirements. However, if I had this issue with my rig I would take it to the rigger who packed it, and he (and ONLY he) can tighten it up so that the gap is eliminated, the ripcord pull force is still within requirements, and he wouldn't have to worry about someone else, be that person a jumper (who shouldn't be messing with it in the first place) or another rigger, altering the pack job that bears his seal (and thus his responsibility).
Unfortunately, I realize that not all jumpers think and operate like myself. I'm sure that would be your argument as well.

Which DZ?

Thanks for your reply. Like you, I'd love to hear from someone who won't pack them, and their reason why (other than the Canadian rigger who posted that 2-pin reserves are a separate rating that he doesn't have, and wouldn't be worth getting).