uberalles

Hello poster 18C....... Welcome to the Forum :) uberalles

Aren't you talking about the Reno letter that was sent to the Reno News just days after the Hijacking ?

The Letter to a newpaper with the CODE was not the one you mentioned above. It was the one with the CODE in it which said if you can decipher the Code then you can find me. Perhaps it was not the Reno paper, but I have the notes and my communications and records of my phone call to a man with the California newspaper that received it. Interesting that this article has not been mentioned in so far as the one publicized by this thread and by Galen Cook. Hi Jo, do you have any more info, leads, anything on hidden messages/codes in the letter you are talking about?

On page 118 of Robert Blevin's Book there is a side view of Christiansen. Pretty much the exact angle Mitchell would have been looking at .. for those three hours he was not getting the girl This pic is from just a few years before Norjack BTW What is his call on Christiansen??

I am wondering how many have now listened to the Mitchell interview.. (not just read the transcript) but actually listening to the wav file where you hear Mitchell in his own words http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/details.aspx?id=122559 Wouldn't it make sense that he has already made a call on everyone that has been called out (here there and everywhere as a possible suspect) ?? What if the FBI has done everything right ? What if the answer Mitchell gave was...... NONE OF THE ABOVE ??? could it be? Wouldn't that explain why the bureau is not interested in entertaining 'evidence' on ANY suspect it knows already is not Cooper ? See you guys at Ariel. Mark, Uncle Brucie, anyone else from Cooperland. I will make sure I have my name tag on

pretty much lays it out about the DNA.....

Mitchell's description is spot on, If he says no on a suspect, that suspect gets excluded. Vicky, I would say your missing Dad is not out of the running yet? Cooper wasn't trying to look good, he was wearing a disguise

Doesn't E. Vicki's dad have that chin characteristic? Why not show Mitchell a lineup of photos? Round up the usual suspects. 377 I would highly suspect he has already seen and made a call on any and all persons of interest If it turns out Mitchell says NO on all the favorites... you know what that means.. Can we all please dispel our personal feelings and just listen to what Mitchell says ?? he is putting us on the plane right next to Cooper He is used to getting attention from cute girls (not on this three hour flight ) Hell yes he is focused on Coopers appearance and we should be too

Here is the link to the Mitchell interview http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/details.aspx?id=122559 Cooper was indeed a scrawny, white turkey neck, fake looking hair, geeky, suit wrinkled, intimidated by Mitchell, RAGBAG Mitchell gives every detail of his experience w/ the bureau post touchdown...

Looking forward to Ariel Meanwhile....what is Mitchells take on all the other favorites ??

Have no idea who this witness was. Mitchell was too young for Tina and the other man who got a decent look at Cooper - was unknown to me. Strange I have never heard the expression of ragbag stated regarding Cooper. Did you get that from the records made available recently of just an opinion? I cannot download the records recently made available - just have dial-up. Due to all of the recent silence on the part of the FBI and others - it makes one wonder what the Hell is going on! Hi Jo, I talked to the Woman at the museum. she was the tour guide and set up some of the exhibits. She was talking about the witness across the aisle from Cooper. She expressed specifically to me that this witness (a young man) was jealous because the FA was paying so much attention to Cooper. This same witness said everything about Cooper was cheap wrinkled messy Ragbag: Wrinkled messy disheveled like maybe his clothes were in a paper bag and he changed into them at the airport ??

Hi Jo, you are saying he did not give Cooper much notice, but apparently he told the museum he was definitely looking Cooper over. What about his response to the other suspects pictures... of course he has looked ??

AND...... we are still not allowed to know where the plane actually was The bureau took the entire seat assy to DC for hair fiber fingerprint analysis... I am betting they have hair samples that belong to Cooper and have yet to see a match to any of the favorite suspects When I went to the museum in Tacoma, the young lady giving the tour talked about a male passenger who sat across the aisle from Cooper & Tina, he remembers wondering why is she sitting with him ?? He was jealous, no doubt felt he was a much more attractive guy Guys, think about it... this would make him a great witness right?? He says Cooper was a complete ragbag. Maybe spent 20 minutes staring at Coopers side view profile ..... Tina is not talking, but I bet this guy will......

I did the last three Ariels. After the last one, I decided I had enough of it for a while. It's almost three hours each way from my house, you know. I started taking a look at where I was spending time, and priorities. I determined it was Cooper-Heavy. I'm happier now than I have been in quite a while. Cooper has become not completely boring to me, but it's definitely taken a back seat to other, more interesting things. You only WISH you had my life, baby. I'm not sure how Revenge Story will do at Amazon. Forget Cooper. He's getting to be a bore. And I'm starting to believe the case will never be solved anyway. Maybe that's how it was supposed to end all along... I guess the real truth is this: Since most of the work I did on the case concerned Kenny, if it turns out he wasn't the guy, then I guess I don't care that much. Probably turn out to be someone no one's ever heard of before anyway. Really ??? You are not going to be there w/ all the posting you have done? what are you doing here ? Is that even a question.. Just the latest in a very long string of things that just don't add up about this case. Look forward to meeting folks at Ariel who are actually interested in separating the facts from the fabrications. uberalles

Reply: Galen was banned, apparently permanently, in December 2008 under very unusual circumstances. One day in December 2008, he asked Ckret if he was posting on the DZ during company time. I remember reading the post when it first appeared and I thought it a legitimate question, since Larry was posting many times a day, morning, noon and night, even 4 am. The next thing that happened, Galen received an email from Quade saying that he was being invited to take a permanent vacation from the DZ. I consider it quite unfair, and places Quade's credibility into question. At the time, I thought he had acted improperly in protecting Larry's reputation and position in the office at the Seattle FO. Later, I became more circumspect as I learned Quade was not a big supporter of Ckret. Further strangeness occurred soon after when Qaude banned Snowmman. Granted, Snowmman is often rude, crude and thoroughly obnoxious. But he is damn smart and brings a ton to the Norjak table. As a result, converations here are somewhat truncated, and certainly less robust than they had once been. As for you, Robert, I still don't see any apology from you on behalf of Kenny, acknowledging his responsibility for threatening to kill 42 people on Novemebr 24, 1971. By the way, Robert, you are often rude and nasty on the DZ. Why is that? You seem to bait people with insults. It's like you're on a fishing trip for a reaction. What's that all about? Also, I agree that calling Tina under false pretenses is not a lofty or proper act. Yet, the result does show the true nature of Jo and Tina. Thanks 'Uncle Brucie' !!

A possible development on the Estacada skull.... I was just looking through my records at found this one as well. December 31st 1942 P-40E 40-433 Pilot James P Shoemake. Flight left from Portland AAF and headed to Pendleton Field. He was ordered to not fly through the Columbia River Gorge. He was last seen flying southeast from Portland at a rather low altitude. As soon as he was reported overdo a warning was sent out. An air search was sent out from Both Portland and Pendleton. The search was abondoned on January 5th. I've been unable to determine if anything was found after that date. He doesn't show up as missing though. But if he was flying SE from Portland he would have flown over the area east of Estacada" Thanks to poster 'Nerdling' on Wreakchasers for this info

More details from JR on the Wreak Site. The following incident occurred EAST of the Cooper DZ, same time of year and this time the storm was real. What happens when you jump out into a Douglas Fir pine forest ?? ________________________________________________________ 29 November 1945 USN PV-1 BuNo 49459 5 PAX Whidbey NAS to Miramar NAS, CA The same winter storm that downed the USAAF C46A also downed this aircraft in the Mount Saint Helens area of southern Washington State. Flying into icing conditions about 10 miles east of Cougar, the pilot ordered the two passengers to bail out. One of the passengers, Army 1LT Warren Lawson, successfully bailed out and walked into Cougar on 2 December. However, he could not say for sure what happened to the other four. The other passenger, a young sailor, was found by loggers dead, still hanging in his parachute from a tall fir tree on 3 January 1946. The sailor had died from exposure. That same day another parachute was found less than a mile away but no sign was found of the occupant. An intensive ground search was conducted for over a month in deep winter cold but no further trace of the other three crewmen was found. In August, 1962 a Forest Service ranger found a crude snow shoe made from a military style survival life raft about 10 miles east of Cougar near Swift Reservoir. A search of the area found no other evidence or human remains. This was reported to the State CAB and the US Navy. However, no further investigation was conducted. On 5 August 1963, a Forest Ranger found the crash site of the PV-1. It was located about 10 miles east of Cougar, 8 miles north of Swift Reservoir and approximately 1.5 miles from a logging road. On 8 August, a team of 8 US Navy personnel from NAS Whidbey Island accompanied by the county sheriff’s and a representative from the State CAB investigated the crash site. What appeared to be a camp site was found on a hill about 100 feet east of the crash site. It appeared that two or more of the survivors may have found their way to the crash site and salvaged what they could in an attempt to survive the winter cold. Remnants of the survival life raft, paddles, a flashlight, torn cloth and clothing, a camera and an empty wallet was found. Two parachutes were found in the wreckage. However, no human remains were ever found. Investigators theorized that it is possible that two of the crew may have rode the plane down and survived the crash. After several days waiting for rescue, they may have attempted to walk out and perished in the forest.

I did leave off the other witnesses. My point was the other witnesses were in the same situation as you when you estimated the height of Brett Boone. It was trying to piece together after the fact a description that's more likely to be faulty. I was proposing that Tina, when she left the plane to retrieve the parachutes and money was instructed to make a note of the hijackers height, weight, hair, etc., and unlike the other witnesses would not be trying to put together a description from memory. The other passengers descriptions are not discounted, but I would give them less weight than Tina's, especially since hers was so close to that of Flo's, who would also be trained to make note of that information. By the way, the shortest description was "no more than 5'9". Kenny was 5'8". How far below that 5'9" are you willing to go? In addition to basic physical facts, there are mannerisms. How did the guy act? Did he smile a lot, grimace, smirk, frown a lot, etc. I am told Kenny had distinct mannerisms. For the life of me I dont know why we are spending all of this time on KC. We might just as well be comparing a 'chicken'! Rather than persons with the greatest statistical deviation from the mean ... why not find somone that approaches the mean? Moreover Mr. Blevins' arguements dont approach the mean! I watched an interview a while back of the sketch artist who did the original sketches... he said the witnesses all mentioned a protruding lower lip... Perhaps like what a kid would do who is not getting his way? Not something you would fake, but something that you would do under pressure w/o thinking about it??

These are the correct numbers recorded on the ground at PDX 7:00pm (next recorded data was at 10:00pm) I got this from a weather site Temperature w/windchill - 43 F Humidity - 86% Barometric Pressure -30.01 Visibility -15 miles Winds from the SE - 4.6 mph (No Gusts) Light rain showers Typical MILD Portland weather and not at all the raging storm I have read about...

A poster named JR posted this response on an Aircraft Wreakage Chasing forum Username: JR Message: I have never heard this story though I have an extensive archive on missing aircraft in the Pacific Northwest. There are at least a dozen airmen missing since 1945 who were able to jump or eject from their stricken aircraftbut were never found and are still missing in Washington and Oregon. However, none of these airmen vanished anywhere close to that area of Oregon. What I am equally surprised is that there appears to beno follow up or investigation of this (at least in the news). Throughout the 1950s and 1960s there were numerous stories of parachute harnesses or parachutes being found in tall pine trees that werebeing cut down by loggers. Some of these finds correlated to missing airmen who had jumped from their aircraft, but were never found. As I said, there are at least six that I know of that are still missing. A couple of things to point out. The Sheriff deputies said, "the skull may have been of a hunter or missing pilot." If it was a missing pilot, the AFRCC at Hamilton Field would have had the answers right away as to whothe remains could have possibly belonged to. Unlike today, the AFRCChad good record keeping back in 1975.As far as I know, there were no missing planes in that part of Oregon in 1975. It's possible that the remains could have been from a plane crash that was already recovered, but the crash site was not cleaned up very well. We were notoriously sloppy back in those days. A secondthing about Oregon is that human remains are always being found throughout the state. In 2010, during a search for two missing climbers on Mount Hood, SAR personnel foundhuman remains that no one had any idea who they belonged to. Neither the county nor the park hadno record of anyone missing on that part of the mountain. As far as I know, the remains have never been identified. I have an article from 1958 that tells of fire fighters fighting a wild fire in Eastern Oregon and finding the remains of a cowboy still rolled up in his ragged blanket at an abandoned camp site. Authorities believed he was a cowboy who could have been dead as long as 80 years.

Hi 377, Mr Shutter, MarkBennet, BruceSmith, Jo Webber, Georger, Blevins, Robert99, anyone else I forgot. I looked at the flight maps on Sluggo's site. Shows a flight path through Portland and definitely W of Estacada where the skull was found. IMO it makes complete sense for the FBI to 'misdirect' the actual location of the plane, the area where he jumped etc at the time of the incident Maintaining any such misdirection for 42 years is what I would find nonsensical that's just my opinion

I am bitten by the Cooper mystery just like anyone else here. Years ago I worked on Military Radar for Missile Systems. Patriot replaced the system I worked on. State of the art 1970's Pulse Acquisition type 40KV Magnetron. Give you very accurate position & range data. Anyone w/ a PPI radar screen in front of them would knowexactly where the plane was at all times, especially w/ chase planes in the air too They counted out the skull because the plane was W of PDX ?? Something wrong here.......... or is it something right ??

Very similar to the article I have: PORTLAND. Ore. (UPI) -- A skull found near a weathered parachute in Mt. Hood National Forest is the newest clue in the three-year search for the infamous skyjacker "D.B. Cooper." A man calling himself by that name parachuted from a low- flying jetliner on Thanksgiving Eve, 1971, with $200,000 in ransom money strapped to his chest. Neither he nor the money was ever seen again. South of the suspected jump area authorities T h u r s d a y found the skull believed to be that of a person in his early 30s. A parachute was in a nearby tree at the site 10 miles east of Estacada, Ore., Dr. Larry Lewman of the state medical examiner's office said. Friday. "That naturally led us to wonder whether the skull might be Cooper's," Lewman said. HIJACKER'S SKULL?--Dr. Larry Lewman, assistant state medical examiner, holds skull found by Forest Service employes in Mt. Hood National Forest, 10 miles east of Estacada, Ore. FBI and local authorities are investigating find to determine if skull is that of D. B. Cooper, first person to execute hijacking attempt in Nov. 1971, aboard Northwest Orient Airlines flight during which Cooper parachuted from airplane while en route to Reno, Nev. from Seattle. Cooper and $200,000 he got from Northwest Orient were never found. fBI Doubts Connection . . . Skull Revives Wonder Over Skyjacker's Fate An FBI spokesman said he doubted the man who hijacked a Boeing 727 on a flight from Portland to Seattle, Wash., could have landed where the skull was found. He said the flight pattern and winds on the night of the hijack "seem to rule out" the location. Earlier FBI investigations turned up parachute harnesses and skulls in the suspected jump area. None has helped agents find Cooper or the missing $200,000. Lewman said he put the FBI onto the skull after he heard about the parachute. "I understand that kids in the area have been trying to shoot the parachute out of the tree for about three years," the doctor said. "When the snow melts, we can go up there and find more bones and maybe a billfold that will tell us his name." . Conditions were poor-"for a jump when "Cooper," dressed in oxfords and a business suit, plummeted into the cold air. Investigatorshavesubsequently agreed with the opinion of an FA A regional security chief: "One of these days some hunter in Oregon or Washington is going to find the skeleton of this man screwed into the ground up to the elbows."

Here's the text from a Star-News article, January 12, 1975. Thanks to a poster on a plane crash site ( Austenp405 ) for sharing this with me... Note: Where did the FBI think the plane was (in 1975 when they ruled the skull out as Cooper) ????? why no follow up articles on the search ?? May***ld missing a skydiver?? Skull and parachute obviously connected Cooper skyjacking still mystery The "D.B. Cooper" skyjacking case remained as much a mystery as ever Saturday with the latest set of tantalizing possibilities- a weathered skull, clothing remains, and a parachute hanging from a tree- apparently ruled out of contention. Cooper, one of the first in the nation's series of skyjackings, jumped Thanksgiving Eve, 1971, from a Boeing 727 somewhere south of Woodland, Wash., with $200,00 in $20 bills strapped to his body. He had seized the Northwest Airlines jet between Portland and Seattle, received the money in Seattle, and ordered the crew to fly to Reno, Nev. En route he disappeared. The skull, that of a Caucasian in his early 30s, was found Thursday in the Mt. Hood National Forest 10 miles east of Estacada. Near the skull was a parachute hanging high in a fir tree. The Clackamas County sheriff's office said clothing was found in the area earlier, but it had not been connected with the Cooper case. A spokesman said the parachute was believed to be from a weather balloon. "I'm satisfied it's not him," said Dr. Larry Lewman of the state medical examiner's office, who studied the skull and checked with the FBI. Dr. Lewman said the skull was of a person younger than the description of Cooper, who was believed to be in his late 40s or early 50s. Lewman said the plane's flight path was west of Portland and the chute was found east of the city. Sheriff's deputies said the skull may have been of a hunter or missing pilot. Deputies were unable to thoroughly inspect the area until spring because of three feet of snow covering the ground. Harold K. Clark, special FBI agent in charge, said his agents are continuing to investigate the Cooper affair, one of the top cases in the Pacific Northwest. But he said, "Nothing's cooking."