Pobrause

Using rears is not flaring, it changes the trim of the canopy. You can easily level out using rears but flaring (breaking) should be done with your steering lines. Even a 62 crossbraced canopy pilot finishes his 1080* swoop with toggles (mostly ;) ) Also if you time the use of your rears not correctly there is not much power left for your toggles--> bad flare
If you still experience the bad flare during a normal full flight landing approach get someone to check your line trims. Depending on the number of jumps on your sabre 1 and its lines they could be pretty much be the reason behind your buttsliding =) Of course when practiced up high a rear riser landing can be done safely but first get your linetrim checked by your rigger to make sure, it's not the canopy, that is in doubt here

Sabre 2 150
WL about 1,4

Full brakes at 430 ft, double fronts for 3-4 sek and then a very slow 90* turn towards the landing area.

270* at 620 ft with a progressive turning speed

I could start both turns about 100/200 ft lower with quicker turns and less double fronts but nothing beats the power generated by a very slow turn.
Rears are quite difficult to use under my sabre because if I touch them just 10 ft too early the canopy levels out and loses all of its power a little bit too high for comfort.
Also if I notice that I am too high I don`t let of my frontriser immediately but pull them both down again until 10 ft above the ground. Might be hard for someone with less strenght in his/her arms than I have though, pullups do wonder btw

Sabre 2 are quite difficult to swoop at that sizes but they do teach you to be damn accurate and thats what its all about IMO

stay safe and make sure you are able to say no at any point during the swoop
edited for an additional question that just popped up:

According to my viso2 and Protrack I regularly reach about 110 km/h vertical speed unter canopy during my landing approach (270*) and my expert cypres fires at about 126 km/h (78 mi/h) should I consider the speed version since I plan on downsizing to a 135 in a few month? Input on this highly appreciated, I do not jump ws ore plan on doing so ...

hillson

Never had a problem with polarized glasses and the Viso II.

Well, I had. Viso 2 and Cat 3 polarized lenses...

Alexg3265

I've flown both at the same loading. Get the sabre2. Longer recovery arc, steeper full flight glide. Not much, but noticeable. The Safire likes to pop up as soon as you get out of the turn. The sabre has a smoother transition. In my limited opinion. Safires openings were nicer overall, but I actually liked the flight of the sabre better. Risers seem about the same at first with a hair slower build up on the sabre.

This.

Exactly my experience with both canopies with 150 sqft at 1.4

mrkeske

What I would like to see, is many opinions/prefrences/thoughts on this subject, what do you do between pulling the hackey and unstowing your breaks?

I 'feel' trough the opening. I know, how my canopy behaves during most openings and when something feels weird I still can look up and check in just a blink of an eye.
For me there is mutch more sense in checking canopy traffic and directing myself towards the dropzone than to watch the mess above my head ;) I make sure, where I am and where everybody else is and then collapse the slider, pull it down behind my neck, check my breaks and unstow them. Thats also pretty mutch the way it is teached by our instructors.

After you pulled it should be (mals asside) priority no.1 for everybody to avoid canopy collisions.
Be ready to steer your canopy as soon as it is steerable. Except you're allone in the sky, then do whatever you like ;)

AlanS

I don't know what causes the 45 degree line twist, but the solution is to ask your rigger to swap your left and right risers, and the pack the rig with the slider all they way down. When your chute opens the first time it will whip you around hard about 315 degrees, but that will fix your 45 degree line twist.

Now just remember with your risers swapped your controls are all backwards from what you are use to. So, instead of cranking down on the front risers for your swoop landing you'll need to crank in the back risers. Also, since you are coming in facing backwards, timing the flare will be a little bit tricky. To solve that get a bicycle helmet mirror and install it with two screws on your Cookie G3 helmet. The visibility will be a bit limited, but with some practice you should be able to time the flare just right. Just make sure the first few times you do it, to land in the swoop pond, and to bring a towel.

+1.
and get video ...

Hellis

In my opinion, the cameraman did not have the skills to be on the jump.
If you want to bellyfly, then go on a bellyjump.
If you want to freefly/track but don't have the skills then go on jumps with smaler groups.

I don't know if everyone else pulled very low or he pulled high, but when everyone else started tracking away he pulled "in the formation".

in his defense you could say he maybe had just experienced his very first close encounter with the grim reaper...
his following approach of the formation was sensible and skilled enough, wasn't it?
But I totally agree with you on his "pulling in the formation" ... Apparently there where a couple more jumpers on this particular jump that didn't make it to the formation and pulling inside this mess without even a barrel roll is just stupid...

but everything that needs to be said about this kind of jumps was already perfectly covered by bryan burke http://www.dropzone.com/safety/General_Safety/Implications_of_Recent_Tracking_Tracing_and_Wingsuit_Incidents_938.html

glad everybody was okay... learn to say no to those poorly planned, messy jumps!!

I hope, they had a thoroughly executed talk to everybody afterwards, including a baseball bat and cold water for the one endangering the camerajumper ... if you know what I mean ...

90,- for 5 km/h?!?!?
what the...

What do they charge you for real speeding? 0.o
Here in Germany I recently had to pay 80,- for 31 km/h above the limit ... must be around death sentence in your area?!

Hi =)

I also have no idea whether there is any custom cutaway system especially designed for the mamba but when it has a normal closing buckle this might work--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuqJV3eRH0g

be safe

Of course both.

E.g. you fall faster in freefall when you reduce the surface exposed to the wind. Same applies under canopy when building up speed. The less surface you expose the faster you go.
Less drag on a given speed means you can hold that speed for a longer period of time, gliding more efficiently through the airflow --> swooping further.

but there must be some aerodynamics engineers around that could give better and deeper insights to this.

I hope this is a troll...

There is no such thing as cheap skydiving here in Germany.
(Compared to the US)
As a licensed skydiver 25 Euros is the best I have seen (bigger Dropzone and I had to buy 100 jumps at once to realise this price)
AFF plus german licenze is about 2500 up to 2800 Euros (25 jumps)

IMHO first get a Job, get your life straight and then think again about skydiving here in Germany

Hellis

Sometimes you et distracted and end up doing something you didn't intend to do in the first place. Such as going to the kitchen to get a glass of water and you end up opening the fridge instead.

btw:

Two of my friends are using them, i've tried it for 3 jumps and it works just fine.
Way better than fumbling with the buttons on the case without knowing, whether the cam is recording ore not ( --> have to ask my buddies) especially with thicker gloves on winterjumps
IMHO when you get distracted by this certain item sewed next to your alti you shouln't use a camera in the first place.
but thats just me

I recommend it.

4500 for Breakoff, except of bigger formations
3000 pull reminder
1500 knock knock, still there?! -.-'

It has been discussed before... a lot...

What went wrong?
Actually they had planned a mountain swoop but changed their plans because of changing wind conditiones.
But nobody told the pilot the plan got changed so he dropped them off for a mountainswoop.

Lessons learned, as you can read in the video description.
Spot!!!

offsetting your altimeter does make sense, when the planned landing area isn't on the same altitude from where you started.

Whaahahahaha!!!


thanks for the link ^.^

Alexg3265

Videos...

http://youtu.be/db_jr83c2RM

http://youtu.be/Z9z604cMwJw

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To absent friends

more like kg/m²

But I hear ya!
It sounds mutch more impressive this way!
My wingloading now is 6,6!

I think I could get used to this

Me too!
According to Sofpidarf there should be no such thing as "intermediate wingloading" after your third jump.
A a general rule I would assume everything above 100 sqft too dangerous to jump. As always... Power first, Controle second!!



All jokes asside:
These are not the official recommondations for wingloadings in Germany and they do state also that if in doubt bigger is better and the wrong canopy size puts not only your bones but your life at risk...

lbs/sqft² is generally accepted throughout the world as the way to compare and discuss wingloading at least in skydiving.
Even the russians accepted this standart after the fall of the iron curtain.
But I do wonder, whether they (not only the russians ;) ) use different units in other parts of aviation (e.g. wingloading of a plane?!)

One of the most common internet-tools here in germany to calculate your wingloading for your specific canopy size does offer kg/m² also though

http://www.flyfirebird.com/catalog/information.php/info_id/14

If you only intend to use it as an altimeter you will be fine, regardless of your choice, you could safe some money with the viso 2 though.

But if you want to use it also as a logbook (which I would highly recommend when going serious under canopy), that allows you to analyse every single second of your jump and canopyflight via some fancy graphs and cool tools, there`s no way round the n3. Because of its usb-interface its pretty easy to get your jumpdata analysed and printed on the screen.

Only disadvantage I could consider with the n3 beside its price:
Viso battery life seems to last forever for me. And because I got kinda used to this
I tend to forget to recharge my n3 prior to the weekend and have to recharge it via our dropzone-computer. Just takes an hour ore two to get fully loaded and wasn`t an issue ever. Not that it wouldn`t work with only 1/4 battery capacity but I like to have it fully loaded ;) just to make sure, I don`t have to think about it anymore during the weekend =)

Does this help a little?