linetwist when turning

[flyhy 0]

Everytime I want to do a 180+ deg full turn or spin to lose height I get line twists. Even when I pull my toggles down very soft and slowly, as soon as I hold them down my canopy gets unstable, feels like collapsing and ends up in a linetwist which is quite disturbing when happening at about 1000ft or so. I tried to not pull them down to the bottom as my steering lines might be too short... but that doesn't help, then I don't get a full turn. Any advice?

[dterrick 0]

Troll with better bait. (sorry)

Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

[BMFin 0]

I think this was a good bait... The best i have ever seen here.

[1234hutch 0]

your steering lines are too short as you assessed or conversily your arms are too long.
as you do the turn you are stalling that side of the canopy causing theat side of the canopy to rotate backwards as the other side moves forward.
Canopies have a definate control range the top is full speed the bottom is is WHEN the canopy stalls. Your arm length may easily exceed this distance.
First determine that your steering lines allow the canopy to fly with the tail all the way up and adjust it so that they are.
Second, determine where your canopy stalls. This is not nessecarily when your hands are all the down. It might be at you waist, your midriff, your nipples, where ever.
Thrid, never turn or flare past this point with that canopy because you now know where the line is that that you get into trouble.
Fourth, do this with every canopy you ever own.

Hope this helps
hutch

[bobsoutar 0]

Sound like your brake lines are way too short. Rule of thumb is that the length of your brake loops to the toggles should be about the same length as your risers. I would get them checked by a rigger to be sure and then lengthened or replaced.

[flyhy 0]

But I just got them replaced by a parachute technician and he didn't day anything about it. And I wonder that I can't do full turns at all. They start as slow half turns and the next step is a line twist. So even too short brake lines should have a point of turning a bit more 'exciting' before ending up stalled?!

[flyhy 0]

What's this 'bait' thing about?

[bobsoutar 0]

Not necessarily, effectively you are doing a depression turn from a partially stalled canopy (ie with some brakes already applied on both sides). Pulling down a toggle from that setting will cause a fast on-the-spot turn.
There are plenty of Sabre 170s around. Measure your lines up against another one and see (technicians do get it wrong occasionally and are usually only too happy to admit it and put things right).

[Kirils 1]

What canopy are you jumping? What is the loading?

"Slow down! You are too young
to be moving that fast!"

Old Man Crawfish

[RichM 0]

Quote

Rule of thumb is that the length of your brake loops to the toggles should be about the same length as your risers.

I assume you don't mean this is for all canopys, else I would need 9" risers under my Crossfire

Rich M

[flyhy 0]

Sabre 170, loaded ~ 1.0-1.1

[bobsoutar 0]

No, thats why it's a rule of thumb! Amazed you have such short brake lines though, don't you find it affects your front risering?

[skycat 0]

*pssst* not everyone front risers or pulls their front risers down to their chest.

Fly it like you stole it!

[bobsoutar 0]

Especially on a Crossfire, right! So why buy one?

[1234hutch 0]

dave likes bad puns
hutch