gary350 0 #26 February 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat's wrong? Nobody wants to join your liberal cicle jerk? Yeah, Gary can be the pivot-man OK - that's funny. I'll be sure not to protest too much. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #27 February 29, 2004 QuoteOh, and I suppose you are going to tell me the economy was not already in decline and jobs were not being lost while Clinton was still president... QuoteLet the whining begin! Wahhhhhh - It was the Clinton recession! Yeah, that's it - it wasn't TRILLION dollar tax cuts mostly for the wealthy, or 200 BILLION spent (and counting) and a war based on lies, or the EXPLOSION of big-government spending. Please. Don't you think these things had something to do with the surpluses evaporating overnight and being replaced with monumental deficits??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #28 February 29, 2004 Actually, I consider myself to be intelligent enough to forulate my own personal opinion about most issues. I am socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and a strict constitutionalist. Not a very popular sort in most political discussions. I enjoy being attacked by those who are simply willing to be led around with a ring in their nose by the drivel promoted by the big 2. It has made my skin thick over the years. Since you really seem to not want to acknowledge my original point, I win. None the less, I can respect your right to your opinion, you see no one can ever "win" a political argument. You will always no more than me, and I will always know more than you. However if you want to discuss skydiving... RainboRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #29 February 29, 2004 I'm voting for Rainbo this election. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #30 February 29, 2004 I can set up a paypal account to accept contributions immediately RainboRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #31 February 29, 2004 We're not stupid. You'll just go blow it on jump tickets Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #32 February 29, 2004 QuoteWe're not stupid. Youll just go blow it on jump tickets Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #33 February 29, 2004 QuoteOh, and I suppose you are going to tell me the economy was not already in decline and jobs were not being lost while Clinton was still president... Maybe, but there was still a budget surplus - not a projection, $$ in the bank. The current year deficit is a record. And in 2002 Bush told us "our deficit will be small and short lived". Why did he say that?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #34 February 29, 2004 QuoteActually, I consider myself to be intelligent enough to forulate my own personal opinion about most issues. I am socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and a strict constitutionalist. Not a very popular sort in most political discussions. I enjoy being attacked by those who are simply willing to be led around with a ring in their nose by the drivel promoted by the big 2. It has made my skin thick over the years. Since you really seem to not want to acknowledge my original point, I win. None the less, I can respect your right to your opinion, you see no one can ever "win" a political argument. You will always no more than me, and I will always know more than you. However if you want to discuss skydiving... Rainbo Well, Rainbo, as you well know, a deficit does comes about from spending more than you take in. Since 2001, government spending has skyrocketed and revenues have dropped. And one party controls the Congress and the White House. Did you know that the US defense budget is 40% of the entire world's spending on defense, and rising.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #35 February 29, 2004 QuoteYeah, that's it - it wasn't TRILLION dollar tax cuts mostly for the wealthy, or 200 BILLION spent (and counting) and a war based on lies, or the EXPLOSION of big-government spending. Please. Don't you think these things had something to do with the surpluses evaporating overnight and being replaced with monumental deficits??? A combination of factors was present. How do you figure a trillion dollar tax cut? Assuming you are correct, does that mean that there is a trillion dollars out there that could be used to put people to work, generate equity, etc? Or did that one trillion just vanish into thin air because the government did not collect it? Maybe it was due to the explosion of big government spending. You are right. Why not add the circumcision philosophy that you can take 10 percent off of ANYTHING and still have it work just fine. A war based on lies? Lies has nothing to do with a budget, but yes a war does that. It increases costs. An economy based on lies. Well, that's something to talk about. Such was the economic outlook of the 90's. So long as the collective breath could be held, the money can keep coming in. I'm pretty glad I did not accept any of those offers I got to join the Internet frenzy. I was called foolish for missing out on those opportunities. I was called pessimistic for telling a couple of my friends that they'll be using their stocks to wipe their asses pretty soon. (I was wrong - those stock certificates make pretty lousy shitpaper). So, the budget deficits could be cut. How? Quit spending so much freaking money. Ask Jimbo how to cut budget deficits. I'll put Jimbo in charge of the federal budget over most of the others living off of the government gravy train. And, it seems that we could have a budget with a surplus next year if we wanted. And, I suppose that when Kerry wins, He'll say that the budget deficits from his administration are Bush's fault. Why? Because back in 2004, the CBO said that deficits will be a total of 2.75 trillion. Pre-ordained. Nothing he can do about it. Right? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #36 March 1, 2004 >Right? I have no idea right now. I've been out playing catch with my boy in the rain, then sitting in the hot tub reading Discover and drinking tequila from a brandy glass. About to play chess with him - will spot him a queen (and the tequila). Just want a good place for me to fade away and for the kids to live and bring up kids of their own maybe. Deficits don't help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #37 March 1, 2004 Quote>Right? I have no idea right now. I've been out playing catch with my boy in the rain, then sitting in the hot tub reading Discover and drinking tequila from a brandy glass. About to play chess with him - will spot him a queen (and the tequila). Just want a good place for me to fade away and for the kids to live and bring up kids of their own maybe. Deficits don't help. Dude, I envy you. I look forward to the days when I can be distracted by such things as that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #38 March 1, 2004 My point is that there is more money spent by our government (run by the big 2) on programs that the writers of the constitution never imagined than on defense, which the founders did sanction. These programs were develop to protect us (read save us from ourselves) according to the politicians. My point again is that I feel more confident in running my own life than letting the government do it. Why don't we all start pushing our representatives to truly start cutting the pork, on both sides of the ailse. Is it possible that the reason is we might lose some of it for ourselves. I have always earned my keep in the private sector, and through persevance will do so again. I believe in capitalism, "free markets, free minds" as they say. I do not believe that everything is as it is now just because of GWB. That is much to simplistic of an out for anyone to believe, especially for a man of your intelligence. I know that you know the inputs for these formulas that calculate all these statistics are much more complex than that. I would never argue pure physics with you, I would be out of my element. But on subjects of business and economics I think I could stand my own ground. Again I am sure that there are those out ther much better qualified than I, but it is a topic I have knowledge in. I simply make some points, which are valid. They are also accurate. I am sure someone will go and find some little web blurb to dispute most that I have to say. However, I have several shelves full of texts on economics, business math, business law, and management. I keep them for reference, but would be willing to lend them out to those that would make shallow arguments on these topics (not referring to you particuarly here). No, I understand to my own shallow depths the complexities involved with these issues. I also know that it took both of the major parties to get us to where we are today. My issue is that perhaps we should start to look at other alternatives, other parties ideas, rather than continue to follow the flock, right into the wolves den. RainboRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #39 March 1, 2004 Quote>Right? I have no idea right now. I've been out playing catch with my boy in the rain, then sitting in the hot tub reading Discover and drinking tequila from a brandy glass. About to play chess with him - will spot him a queen (and the tequila). Just want a good place for me to fade away and for the kids to live and bring up kids of their own maybe. Deficits don't help. Damn it's amazing, by the conservative posters' general labeling of us "liberal moron circle jerkers" you should be in a position to have children (you're a democrat, you must be gay right??) And those you do have you would just treat like crap and you wouldn't be nearly intelligent enough to play chess, spotting a queen even?? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #40 March 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteCBO projections, not money in the bank...but if you do not want to believe you wont. I follow what you're saying, as well as many others with an average and above intelligence. The problem lies in that sheep don't believe nor think for themselves. They follow the herd and do as they're told. Bush's own budget director, Joshua Bolton, is unable to predict when the deficit will be eliminated, and projects it will take until 2009 just to cut the deficit to $237Billion. The CBO says it will take longer than that. Will you still be blaming Clinton in 2009?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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