feuergnom 22 #1 March 7, 2007 As some of you might have noticed Strong came up with a modification their passenger harness. Obviously a reaction to the last tandem fatality. On the positive side: With this modification the chance of a passenger slipping out of a harness is eliminated. BUT: The problem wouldn't have to be solved if TI's were dressing up their students properly in the first place . and i bet I'll still see sloppy geared up passengers in the company of variously rated TI's this summer Now for the "negative" side: With this fix lard-assed people won't fit into the harness, thus no more extreme overweight passengers so what do you think about it?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #2 March 7, 2007 Quote... i bet I'll still see sloppy geared up passengers in the company of variously rated TI's this summer Now for the "negative" side: With this fix lard-assed people won't fit into the harness, thus no more extreme overweight passengers so what do you think about it? Sloppy dressing... unfortunatley your likely right. I hope I'm wrong, but.... As to those who won't fit in the harness. I have never agreed with "everyone should try it once..." NO, not everyone should go. When is it that we decide someone is too big? 200-lbs OK 500-lbs No Ok... so where is the line? That's called judgement. But it MUST NOT be affected by money or friendship. That's called maturity and professionalism. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #3 March 7, 2007 About the same as Booth's but without the 'comfort stretch' bungie thingie isn't it? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #4 March 7, 2007 so UPT came up with something similar?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 March 7, 2007 It's fine. Is it the answer to the problem? No. Proper harness adjustment and student selection is still paramount, no matter how many extra straps there are.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #6 March 8, 2007 Quoteso UPT came up with something similar? They did, field replaceable, and it has a bungee type retractor that allows it to move downward slightly during deployment. Doesn't compromise safely but according to Bill Booth, lessens the possibility of spinal compression. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #7 March 8, 2007 QuoteAs some of you might have noticed Strong came up with a modification their passenger harness. Obviously a reaction to the last tandem fatality. On the positive side: With this modification the chance of a passenger slipping out of a harness is eliminated. Only if the harness was properly adjusted. Quote BUT: The problem wouldn't have to be solved if TI's were dressing up their students properly in the first place . and i bet I'll still see sloppy geared up passengers in the company of variously rated TI's this summer Now for the "negative" side: With this fix lard-assed people won't fit into the harness, thus no more extreme overweight passengers so what do you think about it? What I think is that with the extra Y strap, someone (first time jumper) walking to the plane with an improperly adjusted harness, with some dangling webbing between their legs will ask 'Is this the way it's supposed to be? It does not seem right?' The accident in Ohio was a pax falling out above the lower back lateral. If that lateral is not properly fastened, the pax can still fall out even with a Y connector. So I think the best benefit of the extra Y connector may be to help pax recognize an unsafe situation and ask about it. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #8 March 8, 2007 Quotewalking to the plane with an improperly adjusted harness, with some dangling webbing between their legs will ask 'Is this the way it's supposed to be? It does not seem right?' passengers didn't mind in the past, they don't mind now & they won't mind in the future.... Quoteto help pax recognize an unsafe situation and ask about it. been there done that. just to be told to mind my own fuckin business. now we have a solution to a problem that wouldn't exist if some TI's had a different attitude ("I'm a mean mofo of a meathauler, ya know?....... ) towards their students/passengers and towards safety issues beyond getting stable with the help of their drogue The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DualHawk 0 #9 March 8, 2007 Quoteso what do you think about it? Structurally, the strength of the Y-Mod is that it is fully integrated into the passenger harness. It's not just sewn to the edge of the back pad and the edge of the leg straps. It is Type-8 webbing that runs from the rear of the shoulder webbing (inside the back pad), exiting the bottom of the pad, and is then sewn through the leg strap webbing. I (6'0" tall, 190lbs) have approximately 100 jumps as passenger with the Y-Mod and have never had an uncomfortable canopy deployment or canopy ride with it. We did a tremendous amount of field testing during the summer/fall of 2006 before releasing our press release on it, including all shapes and sizes of passengers, and we received back unanimous positive feedback from our instructors and passengers alike. If anyone is interested in what it looks like, we have pictures on our website at: www.strongparachutes.com just click on "PRESS RELEASE DHT Y-MOD" With a properly fitted harness, the Y-Mod has no job to do. It exists to prevent an improperly fitted harness from posing a safety risk to our future passengers. if I can answer any specific questions, please feel free to email me at [email protected] or call me at 407-859-9317. Regards, Tom Noonan Tandem Director Strong Enterprises Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #10 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteso what do you think about it? If anyone is interested in what it looks like, we have pictures on our website at: www.strongparachutes.com just click on "PRESS RELEASE DHT Y-MOD" OOPs. Sorry I did not know it was attached to the backpad too. But I do now. PS Ted is giving DJan and me a tour on the 19th. Make sure we see that up close and personal. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #11 May 24, 2007 Bump & Update Just last weekend i had the opportunity to use & jump with y-mod equipped passenger-harnesses. handling and fitting is easy (in fact a no-brainer), the only difference is how the pax can move once the canopy is open. with the old setup you could tell your pax to move their legs slightly backward enabling them to sit more comfortably, with the y-mod this isn't possibly any more...The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
