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  1. ryoder

    ***
    ps. one of the more annoying things the press never gets right is the difference between air and oxygen. Pure oxygen is almost never used for diving.



    Agreed.
    That was why I said O2/air, since I wasn't sure which they meant.

    But now here is an article that says it has already been done:

    Rescuers have fed a kilometres-long air pipe into the cave to restore oxygen levels in the chamber where the team are sheltering, accompanied by medics and expert divers.

    Source: https://www.afp.com/en/news/205/conditions-perfect-evacuation-thai-boys-cave-doc-17a6wy6

    BBC is saying the same:

    There are concerns about the falling oxygen level in the chamber, but officials say an air line into the cave has now been installed.

    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44748924

    I wouldn't rule out liquid oxygen eventually. It could be provided by one of the mobile units like they bring to airshows for some of the aircraft and then moving a little would give them a lot.

  2. obelixtim

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    Well, you seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the coach is being blamed by the parents and authorities.

    I have yet to see that anywhere in the stories I have read.

    He may be to blame. He may face consequences (if he survives).

    But my question stands:

    Where are you getting the idea that the coach is being blamed for this? From any particular reports, or just your own head?



    The culture of the Thai people, based on Buddhism, is very different to western ideas about blame, life and death etc.

    So they will accept whatever happens, with the attitude that it was meant to be.

    Not to say they won't be sad and upset if their loved ones are lost. But they will not apportion blame.



    We'll see, but I think you may be leaning on the culture thing a bit hard.

  3. "I have yet to see that anywhere in the stories I have read"

    One of their stated primary goals is to keep morale high. So no, nobody is talking about it for now. But 12 children were taken four kilometers into a cave complex where conditions are so bad now that one rescue diver has died. So far.
    This is with nobody's knowledge, let alone permission. They only knew they were in the cave when someone noticed their bikes and stuff outside.
    So yes, it's just in my head, but I suspect there will be questions asked and some seriously pissed off people waiting for this guy.

  4. Hooknswoop

    I agree with all that. I would gladly trade legal open carry for concealed carry without a permit.

    I woiluld also support a ban on any future sales of bump stocks.

    Derek V



    West Virginia has gone concealed carry for anyone over 21 who can legally own a gun. Ohio still has the permit system, though it's a pretty easy one to get, but it does leave you registered that way.
    Ohio used to be incredibly hard to get a concealed carry permit in. A friend went to work in the prison system and had to attend firearm training. The first thing the instructor told them was that "no, this will not get you a concealed carry permit and no I can't do anything to help you. Please Don't Ask." Rick says you could tell he was tired of answering those questions. In Bando, Burmese Kickboxing a couple of the really serious guys were trying to get bodyguard licenses so that they could use those to get concealed carry permits.
    But then, one ruling later and we went from a few percentage of people eligible for the permits to only a few that can't get them.

  5. Hooknswoop

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    Where are you?



    Colorado passed the magazine limit law. What is the result?

    Magpul left the state, taking jobs and tax revenue with them.

    You can go to another state and buy as many 30-round magazines you want and bring them back to Colorado. Since they are not stamped with a DOM, there is no way to know if you had them before the law or not.

    You can go into gun shops and buy 30-round magazine kits and in about 10 seconds, assemble a 30-round magazine.

    So, net result? Loss of jobs and tax revenue. Good job, idiots.

    Where am I? No, I do not hunt. I haven’t bought a firearm in probably 5+ years. I don’t have a large collection. Yes, I carry a firearm. I also have several fire extinguishers, check my spare tire regularly, wear a seatbelt, have 2 smoke detectors in the house (just had to replace one), have an AAD in both of my rigs (one speed cypres and one vigil), and wear a helmet when riding one of my motorcycles. I do not believe the pro-gun control is about saving lives. It is about gun control. More gun control laws are not going to solve the problem.

    Derek V



    The one thing I think is a bad idea, but will fight for people's right to do it, is open carry. This makes absolutely no sense to me. With concealed carry you can defend yourself and have the element of surprise on your side. And I do know one person who was saved by it. Two people were doing a thing in Charleston Wv where one would stop a person and ask for directions then the two would put them in the hospital while robbing the victim. You'd read about another victim a couple of times a week. They didn't kill anyone, yet, when they'd been caught but they put people in the hospital for a long time and with injuries that would take a lot of work to fix. Jerry was on one of his evening walks when the one stopped him. He just pulled up his shirt letting the guy see his gun and that was that, the guy and his partner who'd been waiting to the side decided they needed to be somewhere else and Jerry's description helped catch them.
    But I worry that if he'd been open carrying they'd have just hit him in the back of the head with a brick before he knew anything was going on. After all, that automatic was valuable and with open carry you'd be advertising it.
    But it's still a personal choice, in my opinion.

  7. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-07/thai-cave-rescue-expert-divers-to-guide-trapped-soccer-team-out/9952924

    There's a graphic on that page that helps show how much effort it took for the soccer team and coach to get to where they are. The main portion of the cave for visiting was set to close on July 1 for the rainy season. Going into there would have been one thing, though doing so without parents' knowledge let alone consent wouldn't have been smart. But then they ignored a lot of signs saying basically "don't even think about going past this point. EVER!!" This would have been unthinkable any time of year but especially near the end of June.

  9. wolfriverjoe

    ******Newest bad news: The portion of the cave they are trapped in is running out of oxygen.



    If they do come up with a system for getting them out one at a time I wonder if they'll even bother bringing out the coach. He'll have a short life in there, but maybe a longer one than if the parents get their hands on him.

    Where are you getting the idea that the coach is being blamed by anyone (parents, authorities, ect). I haven't seen that anywhere.

    That's one of the strangest questions I've ever been asked. And I can't imagine anything I could add that would make it any more obvious than it already is.

  10. SkyDekker

    ******And if someone can conduct an indectible murder, does that mean that we shouldn’t legislate against murder?

    Wendy P.



    But there's a big difference between laws that some people will break anyway and laws that can't be enforced. The latter undermine our faith in our legal system and cause a lot of damage. They show a disconnect between the people making the laws and reality.

    Most laws can't be enforced under the logic hooknswoop is using. The majority of laws are written as a deterrent, many only applied after the fact or as an addon charge to something else.

    No, this is different. People who don't know gun owners and gun culture are unaware of certain things that happen and other things that aren't going to happen.
    Imagine people with absolutely no knowledge of skydiving and who have never jumped writing up rules to make The Sport safer.
    A lot of gun control laws may sound reasonable to the people proposing and passing them but have absolutely no connection to the reality of gun ownership. These laws don't help in any way.
    Think about this. Some states have actually made it illegal to forget that your child is in the back seat. Some haven't. There are people, organizations even, who honestly believe that children are dying in back seats because some states haven't made it illegal to forget that they're back there.
    Let's completely ignore the real problem because too many people aren't willing to deal with the fact that they run their mouths on the phone to the exclusion of everything else, including the life of their children and pretend that passing an insultingly stupid law will take care of it instead.

  11. wmw999

    And if someone can conduct an indectible murder, does that mean that we shouldn’t legislate against murder?

    Wendy P.



    But there's a big difference between laws that some people will break anyway and laws that can't be enforced. The latter undermine our faith in our legal system and cause a lot of damage. They show a disconnect between the people making the laws and reality.

  12. dpreguy

    Newest bad news: The portion of the cave they are trapped in is running out of oxygen.



    If they do come up with a system for getting them out one at a time I wonder if they'll even bother bringing out the coach. He'll have a short life in there, but maybe a longer one than if the parents get their hands on him.

  14. I think this article talks about something that we really need to start taking into consideration, not just when talking gun registration but pretty much any time data is collected onto computers.
    I've dealt with IT departments for years and one thing I'm sure of is that many of the people who are supposed to be guarding this information tend to be high on arrogance but lacking in competence. We need to just accept that until things somehow change once they get our data everyone will soon have it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-06/data-breach-fatigue-ticketmaster-ticketfly-linkedin/9943720

  15. obelixtim

    ******>One section is 750 metres of flooded tunnel where you can only get through some parts
    >by crawling on your belly. This bit took the experienced divers 3 hours to negotiate. 99%
    >of experienced divers would not be able to manage this.

    And to this point, one of the divers (a former Thai Navy SEAL) just died trying to make his way out of the cave.

    Looks like they will need an alternative.



    Best I can think of is to drill a shaft down from the ground, if they can figure out the location of the trapped kids, and not come down right on top of them.

    I think they are 800 - 1000 metres below the surface. The Chilean miners were trapped for 60 odd days before they were able to drill a shaft down to them.

    The technical problems and time constraints make that an impossibility.

    They have very few options. I think this will end very badly.

    I agree with your assessment. And then there's pneumonia which might bypass all of the other problems.
    The differences between this and the Chile rescue are staggering. As a mine site it was relatively easy to get equipment and supplies to the rescue area. Even with the substandard job done of mapping there was some logic to how the shafts were laid out. And then the fact that if they do have to bore the entire hole it's the distance of the altitude of most of my jumps. Just under 4k. And all that's supposing that the drilling doesn't open a channel of water, flooding the area or cause a cave in. Copper and gold are mined in very hard rock which is difficult to cut through but I would think it would be safer as far as the rock not fragmenting so much during the boring.
    This is going to be rough.

  16. I became good friends with Jihad Yamout when we shared a house that rented out rooms. This was just before I met and married Gwyn so it's been awhile. We, even sometimes the three of us, spent quite a lot of time together but once he got his Masters in Mathematics he had to go to MIT for his doctorate and we lost touch. Then, I think it was summer before last I was sure I saw him uptown. I came this close to shouting out his name then caught myself. I went over and saw that it wasn't him and explained to the man. He was nice about it and didn't seem all that surprised. I thought that Jihad would be an odd name but this story explains that it isn't.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-42009219
    I became good friends with Jihad Yamout when we shared a house that rented out rooms. This was just before I met and married Gwyn so it's been awhile. We, even sometimes the three of us spent quite a lot of time together but once he got his Masters in Mathematics he had to go to MIT for his doctorate and we lost touch. Then, I think it was summer before last I was sure I saw him uptown. I came this close to shouting out his name then caught myself. I enter over and saw that it wasn't him and explained to the man. He was nice about it and didn't seem all that surprised. I thought that Jihad would be an odd name but this story explains that it isn't.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-42009219


    Sorry, I'm on my IPad and can't select that line well enough to url it.

  17. billvon

    >One section is 750 metres of flooded tunnel where you can only get through some parts
    >by crawling on your belly. This bit took the experienced divers 3 hours to negotiate. 99%
    >of experienced divers would not be able to manage this.

    And to this point, one of the divers (a former Thai Navy SEAL) just died trying to make his way out of the cave.

    Looks like they will need an alternative.



    I really hated reading that. Rescue people do incredible things for us.

  19. Hooknswoop

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    But what about deterring the person who can still legally buy a gun from then selling it on to someone who can't?



    That is already illegal. Colorado passed a universal background check law. Several poster here, including billvon, were sure that the law would be enforceable. Want to guess how many people have been prosecuted in the last 5 years?

    Boiling a frog.

    Derek V



    Illegal but can it be traced? If you sell a gun to an undercover cop then you'd be arrested.
    But if you sell it to your brother in law and they find it on his body after he shoots up a business will they be able to trace it back to you?

    Edit: Don't get me wrong. I think that most gun laws are bullshit simply because they're unenforceable. They make some people feel good and get votes for passing them, and good gun owners nervous because they're the ones who obey the laws, but other than that, not much.

  20. "Not a whole lot will deter someone who doesn't plan to be around to see any consequences. "

    But what about deterring the person who can still legally buy a gun from then selling it on to someone who can't?

  21. ryoder

    ***That was not one of their better idea's



    Indeed!
    It was after the second one snapped off that a light bulb appeared on over my head:
    "Wait a minute! What was it someone once told me about lefthand lug bolts?":D

    Yep, my '63 Valiant. Two snapped off before I realized that it wasn't just corrosion.

  22. wmw999

    As a female-type, that's been important to check forever. Once is enough to learn that lesson. But I hadn't thought about just time doing it -- it's been over 20 years since I last had a flat.

    Wendy P.



    There are worse things but it's hard to imagine that at the time.

  24. I had a flat tire a couple of days ago and have to replace the tire. They ordered a new rim, long story, and I'm taking my car in tomorrow.
    But while I'm at it I'm having the tires rotated. Actually, I told them that they didn't even have to move them, but be sure to take each one off and on.
    I was lucky enough to have my flat near a very friendly and helpful guy with a fully equipped garage but I still almost had to have it towed to town. We couldn't get the flat tire off. It took two of us, big hammers, weights on a chain and a lot of words I hadn't used for awhile just to get the tire off.
    So remember, sometimes over the years they just sort of weld or glue themselves to the drum. Don't find this out on a two lane road in pouring rain while trying to get home. Like I did.
    Another thing to check for is whether or not you can get the lugnuts off. Sometimes your tire will be put on by a bored kid with an air powered wrench and they get carried away. I've had times when it took a breaker bar to get them lose. It's much better to do this when you're home, have the tools, then you can put it back on properly. And always remember to have a word with the employee, too.
    I can remember being 14 or 15 and the phone ringing in the middle of the night and one pissed off father on the other end. He had a flat and needed to get it fixed and get going before the Highway Patrol stopped and had him blow into tube. But the kid at Mahoning Tire in Marietta had had his fun. We had to gather up a breaker bar and get over there. Fast.
    That was decades ago but I bet that guy remembers when my old man showed up the next day to have a word with him.