johan340

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I think this is a lost in translation thing. I believe that he is saying that a small mistake can result in death and ultimately that is the single most important fact in skydiving - not that there is only one mistake you can make. The fact that young males (generalisation) tend to underestimate risk, is not unique to skydiving and why some governments are increasing the age that people can drive etc. Yes I know that is what he meant and I was trying to be sarcastic but that is something I'm very bad at hehe I have been doing extreme sport before and been in accidents before and I don't take stupid risks just been unlucky like when I crashed with my DH bike which could have killed me as well but it just put me in a sick lead for two years just doing rehab and being home on the couch and made me only be able to work 25% etc etc etc wont bring up the whole story and then I decided fuckit now I will do what I really wanna do (those my quote below, I saw a documentury a few years back and its from an norwegian skydiver who crashed and was paralised from the hip down but started skydiving again because that was what gave him a reason to live and to get better so he could start skydiving again) and my body is getting better again and I remembered what that guy said and that's when I decided that now I won't let anything stop me from getting my license as work and other stuff have came in between before as well. Danger exists in all extreme sports those the name Extreme, something that would be pretty obvious. If he cared to read my post properly then he would understand that I'm not a "dare devil" I don't take unnecessary risk because I don't like getting injured so I prepare my self as much as possible with everything I'm getting my self in to and also a reason why I joined this forum to expend my theoretical (sp?) knowledge before going on the course and of course for a long time ahead about gears and everything around and I'm also going to London to do some tunnel training in a few month before the course as well and so on and so forth. No matter what I do/get my self in to, I always do my research. There are positive and negative aspects of every law/rule in a society/sports and one should be able to have a discussion (which being on a forum is also about) about them both the negative and positive. Otherwise what is the point in asking questions etc? I just gave my view on what I feelt was the negative part of it and I have also said several times that I understand and agree with the positive things about it even though I might not like it my self.

Well there are only one risk one can be "fully" aware of and that would be death from a simple mistake, right? you don't think I have been close to death before in other sports? Or even been hit by a car while walking on a sidewalk?I know how it is to be close to death and be in a serious accidents. And I have talked a lot before with people who skydive and read up on the risks that are in the sport and seen pretty much every clip there is on youtube and similar sites with accidents, the only thing I don't know is how it is from personal experience but I'm aware of the risks that are in the sport and I accept that. And that quote would be a better saying if it said "you don't know, what you don't realize" One can know something but its not until one realize what it means that the full meaning of it will appear to one self. And I didn't say I was going to go direct to wingsuit or start BASE- jumping, where did you get that from? you must have mixed me with someone else and you should read my other post again. "sure I have always wanted to fly a wingsuit and that is also what I'm looking forward to the most (that might change though)but I'm in no hurry what-so-ever to get there." Everyone can have a dream of something, something to look forward to but that doesn't mean I would cut corners to get there. Same thing with people who dream of becoming police officers or any other high risk profession, they are not 100% aware of the risks until they actually are in a line of fire or having to deal with someone on ice etc its the same thing. Would you tell everyone you meet that if they have a dream of something, you will just tell them "fucking idiot, you know shit about shit"(no offense) As I said: "I will take my time for as long as I have to until I would feel ready/comfortable enough for it and that might not even be after 300-400 jumps, I'm just very happy to finally have gotten to book the course it self and are on my way to become a skydiver and make a dream come true. " As long I get to do just regular skydiving then I'm fine with that, to get to experience that feeling over and over I got from tandem, I never said anything else. "and saying "I don't care about anything else, I just wanna do that" is really restrictive."- Show me where I said something remotely like that!!! Maybe you should read what I wrote again. And about restrictive part; I know what I can and what I can't do and what I can't do I practice until I can. Its far more safer here then in the UK ;) E: and btw On my tandem we crashed in the landing do to a hard sidewind and I face planted the ground but it still didn't put me of the thought of skydiving or made my experience any worse so I have already been in one skydive accident and I got it one film too hehe

Hehe yeah Simons cat is great. First clip I saw with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q&feature=channel_page

Yes I understand what it is you are saying and as I have said before I accept how things are and are in no rush what-so-ever it may even turn out that I will never fly wingsuit who knows??? I don't, not now anyways, I will just take it as it goes but that doesn't mean I have to like it even though I accept it.

Trust me I got patience, sure I have always wanted to fly a wingsuit and that is also what I'm looking forward to the most (that might change though)but I'm in no hurry what-so-ever to get there. I will take my time for as long as I have to until I would feel ready/comfortable enough for it and that might not even be after 300-400 jumps, I'm just very happy to finally have gotten to book the course it self and are on my way to become a skydiver and make a dream come true. The only problem I have is when someone force me to hold my self back no matter what it is about and yes I'm fully aware of the risks in skydiving and I'm not arguing against the rules per se, just that I feel that if someone can prove them self being able to handle advancing up then they should be able to do so even if they have just done 150jump and so on.(its all about the circumstances that could show it aswell) Even though I like high risk sports and combat fighting etc, I hate getting hurt so I avoid taking stupid and unnecessary risks as much as I can which is also why I will just take my time and take it as it comes, I'm in no hurry and I'm gonna enjoy the ride.

A system were you have to train for several years in order to be able to put effectivly in a real life situation isn't effective, a system were they think one should use body force from the second one is going to throw a punch or a kick to the actual target is waste of energy and speed and there is no weapon training in tea kwon do, tea kwon do is a sport and not adapted for the streets. Now a combat system like kali and defendo were even after a couple of month you will have great basic knowledge of how to defend your self from a real threat with for instent a knife or protect one self from being raped or being strangled etc etc because that is what they are meant for, there only purpose is to be used as efficiently as possible and with as little effort as possible on the streets against all types of weapons and several opponent attacks at the same time and that's the reason why its being used in one of the roughest country's in the world and used by both military and police forces around the world and trust me the training gets as real it can be, got many bloody memories and scars as much training is with real knifes and batons etc. I have been training different arts sense I was 8 starting with karate, tea kwon do,krav maga, bjj,muay thai,defendo and now training kali and with what I have experienced, tea kwon do was the least efficiently and its even scientifically proven that tea kwon do is one of the least efficiently arts but of course its better to learn something then nothing but I would never recommend someone who wanna learn self defense to do something like tea kwon do or karate because of those reasons, to much waste of energy and speed and they are not adapted purely for the streets and it just takes to long for someone to really be able to use them. And that is the thing "rank" an MA that uses ranks/belts is not something I care much for to train, now a system that have striped of something like ranks and rules is a system I'm more interested in training because on the street there are never any rules. Check out -Deadly Martial Arts - Fight Science- and you can see the differents between different martial arts and there efficiency's. Sorry for the rant and off topic.

Not really how I meant it but yes you are right.

Well of course it is not up to them self to deside just like that but for them to have an instructor they can go to when they feel like they can prove that they are ready to advance for a course in wingsuit etc I wasn't talking about something like Tae kwon do which btw was one of the lames things I have trained when it would come to a real life situation but more like combat arts like Kali or defendo were if you make a mistake you will get Very hurted and a mistake could also be faital (sp?) with a cracked skull, punctured lung , arterus cut up etc on a training but I understand your point folly and I agree. -- Of course I'm aware of that as well and only an instructor should be able to say when someone is ready to advance like a trainer/instrocture of for instent an martial art can tell when a student is ready to advance before the actual time/upgrade is due. like in smaller DZ where everyone pretty much knows everyone, then it would be easier for an instrocture to be able to tell if a person would be able to handle something like a wingsuit even before the 200mark if that person asked for it. I do have an understanding for why there are minimal requiorments (sp?) in any type of sports where a simple mistake can be deadly.

Thank you! Yeah I'm sure it will be a great experience to take with me to the AFF-course later on and I'm really looking forward to it.

I would agree with this, for those who are interested in teaching someone else then -time in sport- would be a good thing but in other case's then no,some people learn much quicker then others so it would suck if someone who wanna advance to something else like wingsuit etc is hold back not only because of jump numbers but also because they just not happen to have been in the sport long enough. I have experienced that kind of thing in martial arts and it kinda takes the fun out of it when it happens. I can't help that I learn sports etc much faster then most people(or have had more experience then other newbies in the begining), should I be held back because I have easy to learn something? or should I be allowed to advance as soon I have proven my self "worthy" to advance? I think quality before quantity is always the best thing and as long someone can prove them self that advancing is something they can handle then they should be allowed to do so.

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Been lurking around sense I signed up a few days ago and thought it was about time I introduced my self. My name is Johan 26y old, live in Gothenburg/ Sweden and I have always been dreaming of flying ever sense I was a kid and everytime I see a plane, cliff/mountain or antenna I image my self jumping off it hehe I did a tandem jump in -05 and was going to do the AFF-course back then but things got in the way with work and then I crashed pretty bad with my downhill bike which put me in a sick lead for over a year so I have had to postpone it and I have been thinking about that jump/feeling ever sense and now I have finally gotten to book the course although its going to be in April -10 as the season is pretty much over now but I'm stooked that I finally have gotten to book it and that I will make a dream come true. I have been checking out www.airkix.com in London and talked with them about doing some tunnel training in a few month before the course to be as prepared as possible and its something to look forward to kinda like a mid goal before the main goal thing(if that made sense?) I'm enjoying reading on this forum and hoping to get to know and meet some great people and getting some good advice's ahead(got many questions hehe). Best Regards Johan