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seems billvon is happy to let this thread go ahead...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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could you please tell the other poster concerned to stop accusing me of tax evasion. he has done it several times. i'm trying to deal with it with good humour
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QuoteQuotelots more to come
(a decade at least before the capital/labour tax balance is back to a sensible level)
How's the Thai Tax dodging going for you?
have you stopped beating your wife yetstay away from moving propellers - they bite
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lots more to come
(a decade at least before the capital/labour tax balance is back to a sensible level)stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteHow did Iran manage to capture a US robotic surveillance plane, which looks remarkably undamaged in an Iranian video? The US initially claimed the drone went astray over Afghanistan and blamed a malfunction, but Iran said it had brought the craft down 200 kilometres inside its border earlier this month.
Now the Christian Science Monitor reports that Iran jammed GPS signals and fooled the drone into landing at an Iranian base. "The GPS navigation is the weakest point," an unnamed Iranian engineer analysing the captured drone told a Monitor correspondent inside Iran. "By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain."
Once the drone lost its bearings, the engineer said, Iranians were able to reprogram its internal mapping system to think that its home base was an Iranian site at almost the same altitude. He added that the slight mismatch in altitude caused a rough landing that damaged the robot plane's landing gear and underside.
GPS signals are broadcast by satellites, so they are weak near the ground. That makes them vulnerable to interference from stronger nearby signals. Even military versions of GPS are vulnerable to electronic warfare, which usually seeks to disable key systems to bring down a plane. The Iranians claim to have taken that one step further by electronically capturing control of the remotely controlled robot craft. A former Navy specialist told the Monitor that hostilely reprogramming a GPS to fly to a different home is "certainly possible".
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/12/did-iran-hack-us-drones-gps.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite
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not as good looking as me...
http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/drones/2stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Quotewell put. very well put.
it's almost like i know what i'm talking aboutstay away from moving propellers - they bite
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dreamdancer doesn't have a capital D...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuotelaw check this out, say you invest as the Waltons have and you make say 100mill. You pay 10% tax on that income. But you can't spend $100mill you have a home and you can only eat so much. So you take say $50mill of that and trow it back over the fence and it makes you another say $100mill in a few years which again you pay 10% tax on and you pull $50mill of that....so in effect you just paid 10% of 10% on $50mill that you will use to live.
You "churn" money. You are not adding any real value to the system. The money that is in the system is being used to fuel factories in Asia so that you can sell low end crap at your Wallmart store.
It is what it is. And I'm ok with it. But how about this, bump up the capital gains a bit for those who make huge sums of money? Say anything more than $1mill gained should be taxed at a standard rate of 30%.
Stop massive investments and push it down to local investments by you and me and the little people so we may make a bit more cash.
As for you not enjoying paying taxes and not seeing what you get that's for another thread. Not here.
Says who, it is relevant to the discussion of redistributing wealth, which is what all you communists are proposing.
As far as the rest of you post all I can say is huh???
Care to generalize even more?
Throwing money over the fence??!
Is that where your down payment for your underwater blunder went?
care to come back with something more rational...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuotethe poor spend their money as soon as they get it (because they don't have an excess to save) - this is known as the 'velocity' of money. the same dollar can sit in a bank for a year and do nothing. or it can be spent then spent again and again thus generating many dollars worth of trade. the rich don't 'spend' their money - they 'invest' it. they want money for their money. this is not sustainable as we have seen..
Correct. it's the EXACT reason why wealth cannot be built by giving money to the poor. They do not save it. It becomes money down the drain. Or, more likely, money that simply goes to people who CAN keep it. They save it and build wealth.
It's a simple idea.
the poor earn their own money. then they spend it. money spent is not 'money down the drain' - if that were the case the entire economy would be one big drain. remember that before there were rich people they were poor. there had to be wealth created by the poor in the first place for anyone to get 'rich'. once again the rich don't 'spend' their money - they loan it out to get more back. eventually the amount loaned out is so much that the economy can't pay the 'extra' interest money - result a crash as we have already seen. trickle up - not trickle down...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteThe critique is that money held by the wealthy flows into the economy just as easily as with the poor. Or even more so. How many poor people do not have a bank account? Instead they use money orders or cash to pay for things. Plenty. They operate on a cash basis and fundamentally have the money under the mattress until they use it. The poor – from a purely statistical analysis – don’t rotate money as freely. In fact, the poor have reason to be miserly with their money.
the poor spend their money as soon as they get it (because they don't have an excess to save) - this is known as the 'velocity' of money. the same dollar can sit in a bank for a year and do nothing. or it can be spent then spent again and again thus generating many dollars worth of trade. the rich don't 'spend' their money - they 'invest' it. they want money for their money. this is not sustainable as we have seen...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd you know you could argue with good reason that Robin Hood helped grow the economy. By freeing that capital and giving to those who would use it to procure the most goods and services the economy grew.
Yes. Robin Hood gave the tax rebate. But how about just letting them keep the money to spend it?
By the way. Welcome, Shah, to the libertarian party. You've just given a concise statement of libetarian economics.
And if he were to take money from the wealthy in the form of taxes and gave it to those who would spend it to buy goods and services to create jobs...he would be.....
The long and short of it the easier money flows with in a system the more jobs it creates the more wealth it creates. The more money is held by the few the less power it has.
Now feel free to argue this point but do it with an understanding of Macro Economics. Not based on spin.
the velocity of money is faster the poorer you get...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteSo the claim that, statistically speaking, one group got a worse deal than another may be quite accurate. On a case by case basis, however, it will likely turn out that the apparently oppressed group got a better deal than would have been the case had they been of the seemingly dominant ethnicity.
nope - the evidence is ample that racism was a major factor in whether or not you got a loan. you can deny the evidence but why would you want to do that? mmmmm....stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust a desperate attempt to intimidate because they cannot debate honestly
You bet! Along with twisting of words and condescension thrown in.
Chuck
Hey look!
He is calling you a racist too!
all you've got to do is agree that racism went on with regard to loans. easy to say it (cus it's true) and then we can move on...
No!
Chuck
by denying it you put yourself in the racist camp then. we can all draw our own conclusions...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust a desperate attempt to intimidate because they cannot debate honestly
You bet! Along with twisting of words and condescension thrown in.
Chuck
Hey look!
He is calling you a racist too!
all you've got to do is agree that racism went on with regard to loans. easy to say it (cus it's true) and then we can move on...
I NEVER stated that it did not happen ever.
But YOU imply this was a rampt issue
That is just silly on your part
ok we're getting somewhere - racism did/does happen. we just disagree how important it was...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...
Yep
It is true you are silly
by ignoring the racism that went on you are putting yourself in the racist camp...
and the race card flies
I was right
You are silly
When in doubt... they whip it out!
Chuck
do you deny the racism that went on? thus also putting yourself in the racist camp...
WOW! Is that all you got?
Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiike three... you're outa here!
Chuck
did racism happen or not? by denying it with flippant comments you only put yourself deeper in the racist camp...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...
Yep
It is true you are silly
by ignoring the racism that went on you are putting yourself in the racist camp...
and the race card flies
I was right
You are being silly
the race card was used by the whites - repeatedly. now do you deny the racism that went on - thus putting yourself in the racist camp? presumably yes...
And the race card flies again
Stttteeeeeeeerrrrriiiiikkkkkeee two
you deny that racism went on. thus you put yourself in the racist camp. easy logic...
You see, starting from a false premise just makes you look even more silly
Show where I have ever stated that racism went on.
At this point you would have a point to argue from
Until then, you are just being silly
exactly - you deny that racism went on. it is there for all to see. by denying it it is logical that you are in the racist camp. what other explanation is there...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteJust a desperate attempt to intimidate because they cannot debate honestly
You bet! Along with twisting of words and condescension thrown in.
Chuck
Hey look!
He is calling you a racist too!
all you've got to do is agree that racism went on with regard to loans. easy to say it (cus it's true) and then we can move on...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...
Yep
It is true you are silly
by ignoring the racism that went on you are putting yourself in the racist camp...
and the race card flies
I was right
You are being silly
the race card was used by the whites - repeatedly. now do you deny the racism that went on - thus putting yourself in the racist camp? presumably yes...
And the race card flies again
Stttteeeeeeeerrrrriiiiikkkkkeee two
you deny that racism went on. thus you put yourself in the racist camp. easy logic...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...
Yep
It is true you are silly
by ignoring the racism that went on you are putting yourself in the racist camp...
and the race card flies
I was right
You are silly
When in doubt... they whip it out!
Chuck
do you deny the racism that went on? thus also putting yourself in the racist camp...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...
Yep
It is true you are silly
by ignoring the racism that went on you are putting yourself in the racist camp...
and the race card flies
I was right
You are being silly
the race card was used by the whites - repeatedly. now do you deny the racism that went on - thus putting yourself in the racist camp? presumably yes...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...
Yep
It is true you are silly
by ignoring the racism that went on you are putting yourself in the racist camp...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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QuoteQuoteQuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)
silly
but true...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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QuoteWhile favoritism or racism might have had some influence on giving out loans, I don't think it was overwhelming.
except it was...
(for year after year after year for anyone not white)stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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