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QuoteQuoteAs much as i want to see all the camel fucking mullas hung and Iminneedofajacket shot....
We can't afford it! Man we be freaking broke!![[:/]](//www.dropzone.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png "[:/]")
Sure the US can afford it. BHO has just proposed raising the debt limit another $1.2 Trillion.
The battle-field is already set. Look at a map. US in Iraq. US in Afghanistan. US fleet in the Gulf. Remember the last time the Iranians mined the straits? It was the excuse Reagan was itching for. This has been coming for awhile. No big news flash here. The recent explosions in Iran are too precise to be simple accidents.
i don't know whether china will lend the us enough for another war when that war will also cut off china's own oil supply...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteSimple question: If a drunk driver is pulled over and has not caused a wreck or run anyone off the road, who has he harmed?
Well?
i refer you to the answer i gave billvon...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuotenow it's bills turn
I doubt it, since Bill is not a child trapped in an adult's body.
billvon can speak for himself.
now back to topic...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm going to leave aside that you pretty much just proved Bill's point about you.
Simple question: If a drunk driver is pulled over and has not caused a wreck or run anyone off the road, who has he harmed?
and i answered in the next post. still waiting for his answer though...
Except you didn't.
except i did...
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QuoteI'm going to leave aside that you pretty much just proved Bill's point about you.
Simple question: If a drunk driver is pulled over and has not caused a wreck or run anyone off the road, who has he harmed?
and i answered in the next post. still waiting for his answer though...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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they sound pretty confident...QuoteAdmiral Habibollah Sayari, commander of the Iranian navy, said that closing the Strait, and effectively strangling the global oil supply, would "be easier than drinking a glass of water".
His comments came as the Iranian fleet continued a 10-day naval drill in international waters near the Strait involving ships, helicopters, submarines and hovercraft.
The show of strength is designed to demonstrate how quickly Iran could close the 34-mile wide channel, which connects the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Sea and through which 15 million barrels of oil, around a third of all supplies shipped by water, pass every day.
In recent years, Iranian sailors have taken to driving their speedboats provocatively close to the ships of the American Fifth Fleet, which is based in Manama, only around 100 miles from Iran's coast line.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8981394/US-Navy-will-not-tolerate-Iran-closing-Strait-of-Hormuz.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Quote>and if the drunk driver is a medic called out to a desperate emergency a few miles
>down the road - so that hundreds could die if he doesn't get there. what then - a police
>escort?
You answer my question and I'll answer yours.
If a drunk driver is pulled over and has not yet harmed anyone - who has he harmed?
still waiting for your answer to my question...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Quote>so not wandering there again.
So you won't answer - again.
i answered your last 'if you answer i'll answer' - and you never returned an answer to me. so i'm not going to play that game again. meanwhile you've not posted any harm done by manning to the us so your d-day example is just another 'what if' from the last great war. (next you'll mention the hitler and we'll have a clean sweep)...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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forewarned is forearmed...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey would have shot him dead on the spot.
We would have still gone to war with Japan.
without pearl harbour?
Yes. At that point in time, given what else the Japanese were doing in the Pacific, proof of a planned Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor would have been enough for Roosevelt to declare war.
you're probably right. japan and the us were heading for war same as iran and the us are heading to war at the moment. it was probably inevitable. on the other hand a japanese leaker would have prevented pearl harbour and roosevelt may have waited a bit longer...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>would you have wanted a japanese leaker to warn us of pearl harbour?
I'll answer your question if you answer mine. I have now asked it three times. Would you have wanted some leaker to tell the world news the details of the invasion we planned on June 6, 1944?
didn't get an answer the last time you used the 'i'll answer your question if you answer mine' so not wandering there again. would you have wanted a janese leaker warning us of pearl harbour? millions of lives could have been saved. no hiroshima...
Oh, Good God!
Chuck
I guess he is ignoring the Japanese Emperor and his quest, prior to Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor was an attempt at keeping the US from stepping in to aid the rest of the Pacific against Japan, they did not think we would rebuild fast enough and thought we would be to wounded to want to fight, oops!
Matt
and if pearl harbour had been rumbled they might have had second thoughts about starting a war...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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meanwhile no one has posted any evidence that the us was damaged by wikileaks...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Quote>would you have wanted a japanese leaker to warn us of pearl harbour?
I'll answer your question if you answer mine. I have now asked it three times. Would you have wanted some leaker to tell the world news the details of the invasion we planned on June 6, 1944?
didn't get an answer the last time you used the 'i'll answer your question if you answer mine' so not wandering there again. would you have wanted a janese leaker warning us of pearl harbour? millions of lives could have been saved. no hiroshima...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Quote>but no war with japan.
Uh huh.
In any case you didn't answer my question - would you have wanted some leaker to tell the world news the details of the invasion we planned on June 6, 1944?
would you have wanted a japanese leaker to warn us of pearl harbour?stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey would have shot him dead on the spot.
That's the difference that some of these folks don't "get".
he might have been dead but millions of lives would have been saved...
You can 'what if', till you're blue in the face but that does NOT change history... you can't do it. The Japanese wanted full control of the Pacific. They were trying everything they had. War is war and sadly, lives get lost. That's the price ya' pay.
stir,stir,stir...
Chuck
and you can 'what if' about any damage done to the us by manning and wikileaks. so far none has been shown. but lives were definitely saved...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteThey would have shot him dead on the spot.
We would have still gone to war with Japan.
without pearl harbour?stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteThey would have shot him dead on the spot.
That's the difference that some of these folks don't "get".
he might have been dead but millions of lives would have been saved...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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getting closer...QuoteWar with Iran would mean the closing of the Strait of Hormuz, where the Iranian Navy began ten days of war games to practice doing just that on December 24th. At least 30% of all seaborne oil shipments pass through this chokepoint. Oil prices have been rising on the strength of the maneuvers alone: an actual blockade would double the price of oil overnight.
Now that America's withdrawal from Iraq has been formalized, and Osama bin Laden, Hosni Mubarak, Muammar Gaddafi, Ali Abdullah Saleh, and Zine el Abidine Ben Ali have all been vanquished, after a year of unbelievable changes throughout the Middle East, my prediction is that Iran is about to regain center stage in the region. As a result of the US withdrawal, Iraq could be prone to more violence, and the Iranian leadership must certainly have taken note that none of the toppled leaders, including Sadam Hussein, possessed formal nuclear capabilities.
The first act is already being played out in Syria, the only Arab state to align itself with Iran, and in the streets of Bahrain, its neighbor under Saudi control. The Saudis and the Israelis are mulling diplomatic as well as military options to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapons capability in a revolutionary neighborhood.
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QuoteThey would have shot him dead on the spot.
but no war with japan. so millions of lives saved...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Quote>I don't know, maybe I'm just a citizen that wants government accountability and
>transparency and NOT some group of blind-faith, purple-koolaid-drinking drones letting
>them do whatever they want whenever they want....? Including the military.
Would you have wanted some leaker to tell the world news the details of the invasion we planned on June 6, 1944? Say, two weeks before it happened? To keep the government accountable and transparent?
how about if a leaker had told the world news the details of the planned pearl harbour attack? for the greater good...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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perhaps you should start a thread about me...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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i refer you to the title of the thread...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteQuoteQuoteHe acted totally irresponsibly! Manning, by his own admission, felt 'troubles' with the Army, his family and boyfriend. He was looking to be 'noticed' and struggled with the idea of releasing classified information. From reading about Pvt. Manning, he suffers from depression. For the heck of it, google Bradley Manning and check-out what wikipedia says about him. You and too many others are trying to make him some sort of hero. Either that or you're just keeping the pot stirred. Well, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. He failed to uphold the oath he took when he entered the Army... plain and simple.
Chuck
like most of us not a perfect human being - but he was the right person at the right time with access to the right information. it's good to see a little more light shone on the state and its secrets...
Wrong answer! He was a depressed, attention seeking, un-trustworthy, who broke the rules. Now, it's pay-up time.
Instead of leaking information, he should've sought help for his depression. People do make bad choices!! That's just what he did.
Chuck
the helicopter pilot who murdered civilians from the safety of his gunship made the bad choice - manning made the right one...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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QuoteHe acted totally irresponsibly! Manning, by his own admission, felt 'troubles' with the Army, his family and boyfriend. He was looking to be 'noticed' and struggled with the idea of releasing classified information. From reading about Pvt. Manning, he suffers from depression. For the heck of it, google Bradley Manning and check-out what wikipedia says about him. You and too many others are trying to make him some sort of hero. Either that or you're just keeping the pot stirred. Well, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. He failed to uphold the oath he took when he entered the Army... plain and simple.
Chuck
like most of us not a perfect human being - but he was the right person at the right time with access to the right information. it's good to see a little more light shone on the state and its secrets...stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Bradley Manning Hearing Ends with No Clear Sign of Harm Done to US
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my answer...
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