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You can find some here: http://www.tandem.aero/Tandem/The_Modern_way_of_Tandem_flying.html spins.. etc ;) and a lot of video in you tube for exmp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7sXreQAux4

bdazel - it is not ALL ABOUT Tandem rig. It is about TI. About qualification. I'm not boring, i just try to push myself for every jump. To make the best. To learn from every jump.

Ok, just close this tread, cause not so many persons ready it anyway. So: - Tandem will never evolve to something more. - Tandem main canopie HAVE TO BE at least 400 (500 sq/ft - it's better) - TI just have to carry on the passenger, no fly, no rotation, no tracking, no HD, no stupid modern fly. NOTHING! Cause tandem passenger does not see anything around anyway. And this is not safe. - Anyone who use Icarus canopies 330, or HOP330 - have to be removed from the TI list. - TI have to be only person, who have at least 10000 jumps, and 60 year old, cause only person like this are respected well and safe enough. - TI never have to use Hand held camera, cause it is very dangerous. - all stupid guys from MTF (Modern Tandem Fly), Atmanouti etc - have to be set to "persona non grata" - The best Tandem is Sigma - The best Tandem canopie is Sigma - The best sport canopie is Parafoil 2000 (it should be sigma) - The best sport canopie for experts is Sabre 1. - The best sport canopie for very profesionals - is Stiletto. But only skydivers with a lot of jumps can jump with it. Only these, who know what they doing. - FF have to be removed from all DZ. - accuracy and style - have to be priority. - round canopies its not bad, but still have to be on the list - everyone who smiling in the plane - have to be grounded (cause person like this not concentrated before the jump - its means - DANGEROUS!) - if you not jumping for accuracy - you can try RW - 2-way the best, but have to be very careful, cause it's only for professionals - all tiny camcorders have to be replaced to "camera and video recorder on the belly" cause only thing like this making video with respected quality ----------------------------------------------

Yes, it will be. Just if you know - 10 years ago Tandems was 500 sq\ft, 5 - years ago 400, now - 330, in next few years - 280... Etc So, as you may see - there some kind of progress in Tandem skydive. It is NOT ALL about passanger! Cause tinny canopies more dangerous for them, is in it? ;)

Yes, of cause, they do not need. TM with 1000ts, do not need nothing. Juts pack, jump, land, pack, jump, land, pack, jump, land.

Just wait 3-4 years. And many of TM will use different technique then now or 5 year ago.

Yes, of cause - do not use this when you have 100 - or 200 tandem jumps. Its like FF in "old days" - you have to be good enough to make some things...

You just make exit normal - crossed hands on chest. Jump out, stable, fill wind, drogue. And after that, when you will feel comfortable - just knock on the shoulder (you have to had briefing for this), and yours pasanger will stright on, legs strong and together, hands on sides - strong, head a little bit high, strong as well. You can control the way you flying by your hands. Anyway - if you fill not comfortable - you can allways use you hands as you do on every Tandem, all you body can by "classical", and this will be more easy with passanger who have "tracking body position".

Tracking simple more aerodynamic body position then classical one. For person who making first time skydive its A LOT easiest to make tracking body position then classical one ( 90' on all hands, legs betveen body and hands, between legs, arch on the back, head up, do not fight with the wind, all simetrical etc...). So if yours passanger just make a little bit unsimetrical one part of the body - you will fill the tension. Believe me. In tracking - there no body parts on you passanger, who is put outside. No hands, no shaking legs. Any one will understand you what you want from him from the very first beginning. And all other stuff - there no way to grab TI hands - cause they are arched and on the hips; all student body straight - less impact to TI; legs together - less shaking etc.. You just have to try.

It's not about student only. If you fly Tandem atmonauti, or tracking - this is a lot is easiest way. More easy for instructor. And anyone who making first time skydive on the breafing will understand you more quick (about body position) how to track, than how to hold the body for classical tandem fly. In tracking body position it's more easy to control you passenger, cause his body is straight, hands on the hips, legs straight and together. It is means that passenger have less control on TI. You will never go to spin. Of cause some time you can go "around", but it is better then go into spin. And of cause, if you passenger hold this "tracking body position" - it a lot of easy ways to go out from uncontrolled rotations. By all of this, Tandem tracking is more safe, then classical fall. When you never know where your's passenger legs is.

First of all, i never told you that i support idea "to grab drogue during free fall". This is complete different then Modern way of Tandem FLY (not just fall). Anyway, in next 3-4 years there will be a loooooooot TI flying like this. In many many DZ. For these, who my English language is one of "stupid point of skydiving" please go to http://www.atmonauti.com/ then to the human flight school / you want to fly? There a little bit more info about new way of tandem fly, and all in perfect English. You will find some tandem video also.

Hello there, in this case you just have to grab cut away handle and pull out, cause this will release you drogue which one still attached. Cutaway handle are connected with risers and drogue attachment. Anyway - Advance rig is much more smaller, then Sigma. If you put 350 Precision dot aero Tandem reserve and 330 Icarus Tandem - size is does matter. :) And of cause - if you read manual, you may know that Advance rigs DO NOT HAVE reserve flaps, reserve free bag is that what you see outside on the container. This for all Advance rigs Tandem and sports. This is big advantage. Basik Advance Concept tandem have Freefly style riser cowers - this is really important if you wish to make some modern tandem fly. And many many more.

Hey, have you ever saw NOT Sigma rig? Europien one? Can you hang up your passenger so tight and this same time comfortable that become one body with you? Can you leave the brakes as it is on your tandem rig (do not set it)? Have you ever jumped Icarus Tandem, Jojowings Tandems (hop330) as main canopie? If you can answer "yes" for even one question - you are open minded TI. If no - you old school conservative instructor, never open minded for new kind of stuff, FF its still looks to you "stupid idea", and crosbrassed canopies - really danger and made only for idiots, and all swoop landing style - like superman, blind man, flip on risers - its looks to you like some kind of new kind suicide. Peace out. ps. As you also are Tandem examiner you may know, or you will find out, that tracking with the tandem (with drogue is deployed) - never ever'll lead side spin, cause yours and yours passenger body position is straight. Of cause - you possibly will track "around", but never go into side spin. You can go into side spin, in freefall position, cause you never know what are you passenger will do. Other-words - it is easy to explain for first time jumper how to track, then how to made perfect freefall position. Like Marco Tiezzi from team Atmonauti said " Today Tandem passanger isn't only carryed during the fall, but assume a fundamental role in trying to have a shape more aerodynamic that is possible to get the best flying performance. Amd is even more easy than normal tandem!" ----------------- Yes its has - on risers. Sequence - was only on some rigs. On Advance Tandem rig there no such thing. If you have some problems - just cut away, like on sport canopie. You will cut everything (you will realease drogue, and open main).No such thing like to realease drogue first etc. In ANY malfunction. Even if your main pin will brake. You have to see. It is depends on canopie you have. My 700 jumps old Icarus Tandem opening about 500 meters. Of cause - you'll have to slow down, but not like forever on old Vector canopies.

Hello there, there is 2 different things - one - to let any one grab your drogue, or even be higher then TM in free fall, another - take advantage to try some Tandem modern fly. There the BIG difference what you can do with the Tandem rig - or what rig let you to do (like in sport, not all sport rigs or old ones can be used for Free Fly). I'm one of TMF member, Tandem Master and Tandem Examiner as well. Sigma... chmm.. still has velcro, Sigma passenger harness do not even let you make unstable/HD/back fly/ exit from plane (cause this can lead you into uncontrolled spin), SIGMA have opening speed limitation etcr.. Some new rigs - like Basik Tandem, or Thomas Sport (of cause all of you hear about them) have: Basik - TSO and E-TSO-C23d approvals up to 264 kg MSW and up to 190 kts air speed, 4 (not 3 like in sigma) Rings risers cutaway system allow you less stress and effort when malfunction is on, all handles are freefly handles (drogue, all drogue realyses, cutaway), No risk to have the drogue pouch open while in the plane, cause its made like normal FF sport rig from spandex.Pasanger harnes complete different then other rigs - you are one body with your student. And many many more. So if you use this new kind of Tandem rig and Icarus Tandem main canopie (all of you know it, right), which one have really soft opening, not like old school main canopies - you can try some TMF basik positions. Like flip exit, some tracking with drogue, some tracking without it, some freefalig withouth drogue for more time, some HD exits, some back fly. For the first steps - you have to be alone with your pasanger, no video man, no handcamera on you. Its the same, like to try FF for the very first time - if you just feel unstable, semicontroled body position - go back into your normal body position! Do not forget that all of these body positions is aerodynamic. Never try Sitfly with tandem; never try CWR with tandem, and never try swoop with hook turns. By the way, any of you ever try Jojowings tandem 280? This new crosbrased canopie. I wish to know your opinion. How this canopie on openings, and how to land with tandem in zero wind with wing load 2.1 or more. http://www.jojowings.com/img/sd/hxp/hxp1.jpg