jackwilson

Now that everything is out in the open, it is obvious that Ckret is no longer a "secret". One of the quotes above, about "knowing enough to be dangerous", sounds rather familiar. Anyway, we know know the range of height of Cooper was 5"10-6'1. Given this, and that Cooper was dressed up, wearing shoes, this would add at least 1-2 inches in height. So, Christiansen is only 1 inch away from the lower end of the range. For this, we are going to eliminate him? Whatever happened to asking suspects for an alibi, or checking company records, or talking to associates, friends, relatives, etc. How about comparing his brother's DNA with the DNA from the tie? BTW: you also mentioned that some people put Cooper as young as 30, and as old as 55. Why isn't the range 30-55? Who determined the witness who put Cooper at 30, was not credible. You can't use an average age, since we have no idea how credible the other witnesses were. For example, all the flight attendants were under 25 years old. At 25, everyone around 40, especially balding men, seem ancient. A witness, who was male, and about 40, would have been an ideal witness. Regardless of the above, if the Bureau is so convinced that Cooper was 47, 6', swarthy, and brown eyes, why did the FBI investigate McCoy for this heist? why has a respected retired FBI agent written a book telling why he think McCoy was Cooper? IS he an idiot like us? why is Himmelbach telling the world that Cooper was exactly 47, when the range from witnesses was from 30-55, and his height estimate was from 5'10-6'. This is extremely misleading. Especially, since the number one witness, Florence told a news station that Cooper was about 40 years old, and a bit under 6 ft. Mccoy was only 5'9, 150 lbs soaking wet, blue eyes, 29 years old, and not swarthy. Yet, the fBI thoroughly checked him out, and knew he was not in Oregon that day. Wasn't that a waste of resources? IMO, absolutely not. Plus, McCoy was an experienced diver, not what the FBI thought of Cooper. Why would you check out the alibi of a man who didn't fit the profile, then not even interview suspects called in by the public, or even call the public back when they called in tips. If someone robs a bank and the teller, customers, and everyone says he was about 6' tall. Yet, tips pour in about a guy who is only 5'9. do you investigate him? Then, you find out the guy's DNA matches DNA left at the bank. Will a jury convict this guy, or call him innocent since he was 3 inches too short? Only 3 of the witnesses who knew cooper was hijacking the jet, even saw Cooper standing erect. Passengers were not told about the heist until they reached the foot of the stairs. The witnesses said Cooper was wearing dark sunglasses. Imagine that, wearing sunglasses at 6pm, on a rainy day, at night, in Seattle. He must have sensitive eyes. Are we to believe that Cooper didn't put his glasses on until after he let Florence get a good look at him? Tina says that Cooper never took off his sunglasses. If you read H-bach's book, he gives several examples of how poor citizens are at giving descriptions of perp's. In the McNally case, he wore a simple disguise of pencil lines, a wig, and outer clothing, and hitched a ride into town with a local sheriff who thought nothing of his scrapes on his face. McCoy wore a disguise, and we are to believe that Cooper didn't care if the Fa's got a good look at him? That makes no sense at all. BTW: Just because Cooper took the chest chute with the "x" on it, doesn't mean he wasn't an experienced diver. Rumor has it, the chest chute could not be attached to the main since D-rings were not provided. Rumor has it, from a good source, that Cooper gutted the reserve chute, and used the knapsack to place the 200k in. He then used the shrouds to tie the knapsack to the harness from the main chute. Better yet, The FBI is adament that Cooper jumped near Lake Merwin. Please explain to us how the 6k came to rest 30 miles south on the banks of the Columbia river, if Cooper died during the jump? How would an inexperienced diver know a 727's aft stairs were safe to jump from, or that D-rings were missing, or where the USPA card was kept, or the difference between miliatary and civilian chutes, or smart enough to order two sets of chutes to test the chutes were in working order, not to mention the knowledge to limit the jet to under 10,000 feet, at 170 knots, which is above stall speed for a 727, but not too fast to insure a safe jump. How do you know cooper didn't have a spot selected to jump? The route the jet took south, was the only low altitude route available from seattle south. According to the FBI back in 1971, there was a 99.9% chance the pilot would chose v-23, and Cooper knew this. In this case, too many assumptions were made regarding Cooper, and his knowledge or lack thereof. If cooper was an idiot, his body would have been found within a week, or at least he would have been positively id'd. I can't believe the new investigation is going to continue the same path as the old. Isn't that the definition of insanity. To keep on doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting a different result. Follow the money. who bought property, who never worked again, who was in debt, who was mad at the governement. I can think of 5 people who fit this profile, and one of them is Cooper.

Yes, it is possible the DNA on the tie was compromised. That is always a possibility, in every case. There is such a thing as cross-contamination. It could be the DNA from the salesman, one of the flight crew, the FBI tech, or anyone who touched the tie since 1971. However, the odds are pretty good that the DNA is probably from Cooper. We just don't know how many sources of DNA the FBI found, in what place on the tie, and if there were any other traces of DNA. If there were multiple "skin cells" from the same person, and not one from anyone else, then I believe the FBI has the corrrect DNA. Don't forget the FBI does not have a DNA profile, but simply what I believe is Mitochondrial DNA, which can exclude or include suspects according to their DNA. I'd like to know how many people in the US would test positive for the DNA the FBI obtained. IS it 1 in 1,000, or 1 in 10,000, or 1 in 100,000? Regardless, I think it is prudent for the FBI to test the DNA from the tie against Christiansen and other suspects. I'm not an expert in DNA, but from what I know, I would think that only a small handful of the 1,000 suspects would match the DNA profile. I will say, that based on what I know about this investigation, I would not exclude "anyone" as a suspect, until I found a suspect who fits the DNA from the tie. It is still possible the tie was contaminated while laying on the seat, or from the salesman who sold the tie, or the tie could have been borrowed or stolen from somebody else. Who's to say Cooper bought the tie, and used it once? Given this, I still think it is most likely that the DNA on the tie belongs to Cooper. I'd much rather the FBI had a piece of hair, or DNA from the cigarett butts, than skin cells from the tie. We know that nobody tried to smoke the cigarettes after Cooper, and that a rogue hair could fall on the tie is unlikely. My theory, has always been that Cooper changed clothes, after sending Tina to the cockpit. I find it unlikely if he only took off his tie, that he would be that careless. After reading the article from the Minn. st Paul paper from 11/26/71, I am convinced that Himmelsbach has made numerous mistakes in his investigation. He continually calls Cooper a foul mouthed, ex-con, when the girls said in the article that he was never cruel or nasty, and spoke intelligently. In addition, the paper stresses that Cooper was wearing "dark" sunglasses. Dark sunglasses = dark eyes. I think this case was not solved due to a an error on the part of the FBI, specifically the agent in charge. One agent should have interviewed the flight attendants, searched the plane, and interviewed passengers. Instead, agents from 3 offices conducted the work, and the information was all second hand. For example, in every case, one witness will be a much better witness than another. When people are scared, they are thinking about saving their own lives, not about guessing height, weight, and eye color. I agree that the FBI errored in eliminating people based on height, weight, eye color, etc. That is not how investigations should be done. It may work 99% of the time, but this is the exception. People will appear taller when wearing black, and are standing on a plane, and you are afraid for your life. I have no clue if Cooper was 6', 5'10, 5'8, or 6'2. The fBI should have done a re-enactment, and had agents of different height, weight, and build sit in Cooper's seat, and ask the girls which agent was closet to Cooper's size. Also, in the 70's, a man's dress shoe adds at least 1 or 2 inches to the height. So, if the range was 5'10-6', then Cooper could have been as short as 5'8, like Christiansen. For example, Mitchell says that Cooper was medium sized and medium build. Folks, that is not 6' tall. Back in 71, and even today, 6' tall is on the upper end of height for men. 5'10 is the average. Also, men are better at guessing the age, height, and weight of men, and vice-versa. It's common sense. Also, the closer the suspect is to your own age, the easier it is to guess their age. When someone is seated, wearing dark glasses, with dyed hair, and possibly a hair piece, it makes it difficult to guess the height, and age. Himmelsbach appears convinced Cooper was an ex-con who was exactly 47, 6' tall, 170 with an olive complexion. Himmelsbach broke every rule in the FBI handbook. YOu don't make guesses into facts. He turned assumptions into facts. Same way he assume the guy was not prepared for the jump, or couldn't see the ground (even though Cooper could spot Tacoma from the air at 6,000 feet )or didn't carry another bag on board. Nobody paid Cooper any attention until he handed the note to florence. Yet, everybody is convinced Cooper didn't carry another bag on the plane. How? It is an assumption. Cooper knew there was an oxygen tank in the overhead bin above him. How did he know this, unless he opened the bin to put something in it before the flight? As an investigator, you are supposed to assume the perp. had everything planned out, and work downward. in this case, the FBI, and specifically Himmelsback, assumed Cooper was an idiot, and the last laugh was on the FBi. What to do now? If I was the FBI, I would ask for DNA samples from the top suspects, and any suspect still alive. We are only talking about 20 or so people. Included should be Christiansen, McCoy, and others. BTW, I thought the article in the NY Magazine was interesting. I've always mentioned that I believed the girls were probably scared to death that Cooper may come after them after the hijacking. Again, I was right. Florence mentioned this point. None of us was in the shoes of those flight attendants, and they did an excellent job. But, IMO, to eliminate suspects based on eyewitness accounts of young people, aged 22-25, is ridiculous. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously poor, just ask any cop. Did the FBI test the witnesses to see if Florence, Tina, or Alice were good or bad witnesses. This would be rather easy to do. I will not eliminate Duane as a suspect in this case, until an arrest is made, or the fBI solves the case if Cooper is dead. Also, why is the FBI spending all of this time and money, when they think Cooper died during the jump? Seems to me, the FBI knows he made it, but, doesn't want to admit it. jw

Thanks: It's amazing the witnesses all saw the same guy. Well, I was never good at math anyway. _____________________________________________ That's right you are not good at math or logic nor do you read and understand what you read. The old Bing Crosby look alike and the fact that ANYONE can go into wikipedia and change anything they want - it does not have to be fact. ARE you naive enough to think it is like an encylopedia (meaning you think it is written by historians)? my head off! Even the description is changed. As Duane would have said "Gottcha".

Thanks: It's amazing the witnesses all saw the same guy. This sketch looks nothing like Sky's AVatar, nor the sketch on Unsolved Mysteries. How can you have 5 sketches, and have 4 main witnesses? Well, I was never good at math anyway.

Whatever happened to "Ckret"? Is his absence related to 9/11, and his duties? The guy comes out of nowhere, registers to this forum, makes such outlandish statements such as the following: "if your suspect doesn't fit the physical make-up, you better find a new suspect". Just how was Ckret able to guage Tina's height, given it has never been released. Is Tina really 5'8, and if so, was that in the 302's, or just how does "Ckret" know this? How tall was Florence, Alice, Mitchell, since we are going there? Why weren't their heights mentioned in his argument? Sometimes, I wonder, is Ckret the infamous "DB Cooper", visiting our forum? Could he be an FBI agent, or Tina, or Florence? Or was his purpose, to simply throw cold water on any suspect that is under 5'10, or over 6'1? **** One thing I know for sure, is that "Ckret" has never worked in Law Enforcement. Not one agent, would ever make such a bold statement, regarding the accuracy of eyewitness accounts. Even the man who didnt' solve the case, Himmelsback, admits that the description of Cooper varied, and he was looking for a "compact" man. I didn't know a 6' tall man, could be referred to as "compact". If true, we need to change the name of "trash compactors", "compact cars", to more accurate names. I always wondered why the "compact" parking spots in public lots, were so much smaller, than other spots. It's also never been released that Cooper used the restroom, and if true, how does Ckret know, unless he was there? There are few agents with "inside information" on this case, and none of them, has released these statements to the public. It's a good way to lose your job, or your pension, or both. Not a very good risk/reward scenario for a seasoned FBI agent. Of course, I'd be foolish not to give Ckret his say in this manner. But I want proof. So, give us a link to the 302's, all of them, all 41 of them, along with Tina's height, the fact Cooper used the restroom, and we'll go from there. When I've been questioned about my sources, I provide "links" or references to books, which can't be disputed, since I look up the information before I post, and the books are public. BTW: Here's a link to the "official FBI poster of Cooper, along with his "official description". Notice the sketch of Cooper, his high forehead, his physical description of 5'10-6, medium to well built, and "possibly brown eyes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DB_Cooper_Wanted_Poster.jpg Just copy and paste the link, if it doesn't work.

First of all, I am not trying to rip "apart" everything you say. Only the things that I know are not a fact, or open to interpretation. You have made a very serious claim, regarding your late husband being Cooper. We have a right to ask questions, and to make certain the information presented on this forum, backs up your claims. Yes, I have lost more people than you could ever count. But, I don't use this, and some horrendous health concerns by someone very close to me, to garner sympathy. You are not the only person with health problems in this world. Everyone has lost loved ones, and everyone has someone they love with cancer, ALS, Dementia, and other horrible diseases. Trust me, you don't want to hear my sad stories, nor do I want the horrible things which have happened to me, and my loved one's to get sympathy from people on this board. TRuth is, you attack people who have joined this board and question Duane as Cooper, and call them trolls, while you welcome questionable newcomer's, such as 1099, or whateve his name was, or Secret, who show up out of the blue, with information, which seems to bolster your case, and then vanish, just like Cooper. I won't back down, nor will I ever be unpleasant. At the same time, I know the tricks of the trade. I know how to obtain sympathy, and how to get people to back up my cause. But, I refuse to go that route. As a victim's right advocate, I will not tolerate someone turning a Terrorist, like Cooper, into some type of national hero. Cooper, whoever he was, was a thug, who terrorized women, changed the methods used to screen for passengers, cost over 3 million to investigate this case, and left two women looking over their shoulder, the rest of their lives. So, maybe, I am a voice for them. Maybe, I don't like Cooper being applauded, or being some type of Robin Hood, when he was a thug. Whenever someone questions Duane as a suspect, you pull out the little old lady looking for the truth card. Truth is, you should welcome questions, because, with a strong case, you will only gain followers to your quest, not lose them, as long as you can prove your accusations. Could Duane be Cooper? maybe, I just don't know. But, I think it is a bit pre-mature to call yourself the widow of DB Cooper, until either the FBI, or some other source which is respected, makes that conclusion. In addition, when Brenda questioned the sketch done by Florence, you basically accused her of picking on you. Personally, I dont' think she is. ASking for an explanation, is not an attack. Truth is, florence did say, Cooper had a wide forehead. You simply want to push aside any information, which points as any other suspect. FTR: the unsolved mysteries episode with Florence Schaffner aired in 1988, not 1980. I'm not sure which show you are referring to. In some posts, you explain as if Duane was hiding his past, then, you tell us stories about that is where Cooper came out of the forest, or a man can make roadflare like like a bomb, or I hurt my leg jumping out of a plane, or Duane losing 175k by burying the loot in a bucket. If Duane wanted to hide his past related to Cooper, why would he return to the NW, find the 6k, be unable to find the other 194k, and instead of burning the money, decides to throw it into the Columbia river. Not one bank, one person, was still looking for those serial numbers. If that money was legible, which many bills were, he could have washed the money without a problem. And, why would he wait 7 years, to find the money? Why not either leave it, or come back earlier? WAs he that wealthy? And why bring your wife with, to find money, and the biggest secret in the Northwest? I don't know if Duane was Cooper, or an accomplice, or where he was on 11/24. I do know, I need more evidence, and less stories. More facts, a receipt, a positive ID, some skydiving experience, someone who can tell us that Duane was familar with jets, or ATC, or DZ's, or D-rings, etc? When you come public, and want people to buy a story, you open yourself up to questions. IF you answer those questions, with excellent, proven techniques, you only build momentum in your case, and before you know it, there is a book about your husband. If you dodge the questions, or accuse people of attacking you, then, people wonder, why won't she answer the questions. Truth is, I followed this case from the day it happened, and have always had an interest in the case. If you were McCoy's widow, I would be asking her the same questions, until I received sufficient responses. I would also tell McCoy, that Florence reportedly said her husband was not Cooper. You can't pretend the flight attendants physical description of Cooper is accurate, yet, they are wrong when it comes to eliminating Duane as Cooper. Either the flight attendants are not reliable witnesses, or they are. Can't pick and chose. I think this case is a sad story, of how "not" to invesigate a case. Shortcuts, turned a very easy case to solve, into a case that will never be prosecuted, because some agents, decided to take shortcuts in their methods. We all are aware of your loses, and I'm sorry that Duane and your current husband passed. At the same time, I have recently lost a close family member, and I dont' expect people to give in to my story, simply for this reason. Have you ever thought of the flight attendants? do they have nightmares? Have they ever married? did they ever again enjoy flying? Why did Tina leave the airline? Was it because of Cooper? Why have the girls gone into hiding? Why no public interviews? ARe they still alive? Have they recovered? Did Cooper ruin their dreams? Those answers, are much more important to me, than who was Cooper.

------------------------------------------------------------ I have not confused Himmelsback's book, with Gunther's piece of crap book. AS a matter of fact, I have only referenced two books, Himmelsback's and Tosaw's, which are the only books worth reading.

Excerpt from Himmelback's book, which contradicts statements made on this forum: On page 33, of Himmelback's book, he states the following: IT relates to the pasengers being released in Seattle: "But Finegold and other passengers were vague in their knowledge and information about the man now identified from the passenger list as Dan Cooper. Estimates as to physical characteristics-- height, weight, age--- varied, and little was known of his personality. FBI agents learned that he spoke to no one while waiting in Portland, where he had boarded, and he remained virtually, isolated, in Row 18 during the three hours they were together aboard the aircraft" He further states: "But FBI agents had their first solid lead in the case, a name, and a description. Dan Cooper, age 30-55, about 5 feet 10 inches in height, with an athletic build, dark hair cut short, dark brown eyes, described by some as piercing; swarthy complexion, wearing a dark colored suit." AS for the ticket agent, Dennis Lysne: "he remembered the name, Dan Cooper, and associated it with a dark, middle-aged man in a business suit. OTher than that, Lysne remembered little else from his brief encounter with the hijacker." pg 68: "Speculation existed that Cooper may have pinpointed a drop zone by a red aircraft beacon light, just north of the search area.. An aeronautical chart of the area revealed a public use airdrome close to the search area, and another civilian airdrome futher south. Skydivers had also used an open area near Lake Merwin"s Aerial Dam as a jump site, and farther south was a designated parachute jump site near Orchards. Both jumpsites were along V-23, the path of the jetliners projected flight." So, I hope this clears up mis-information. These quotes are from the man, who was in charge of this case, Ralph Himmelsback.

Actually, I'm not, according to the web. This is an excerpt from the US News report about Duane. IT's available on the net. Handwriting match. In May 1996, Jo checked out a library book on D.B. Cooper. "I did not realize D.B. Cooper was known as Dan Cooper," Jo says. The book listed the FBI's description: mid-40s, 6 feet tall, 170 pounds, black hair, a bourbon drinker, a chain smoker. At the time of the hijacking, Duane Weber was 47, 6 feet, 1 inch tall, and weighed around 185 pounds. He had black hair, drank bourbon, and chain-smoked. I also noticed how the author left the part out about Cooper being 5'10-6', stocky, compact, with a medium to muscular build.

Ya, why share all of the information on the 302's, and then tell us, you can't discuss it. Isn't it a little late? Truth is, I have no clue to your identity. but, I believe none of which I read, and only half of what I see. So, until I am able to read the 302's, I am going to keep the options open. I just can't believe, that the 41 people on board, and the ticket agent, all came within 2 inches of each other on the description of Cooper. We are suppose to believe, his height is set in stone, yet, his age varies from the 30's, to the 50's? Certainly, one person would have to be way off on their estimate, which is standard in any case. I dont' know, but, I have a feeling about this one. BTW: Technically, Duane is too tall to be Cooper. The description is 5'10-6'. Duane was 6'1, and was wearing shoes, which put him at 6'2 or 6'3. So, do we eliminate him as well? I think it is ridiculous to eliminate anybody, unless, they have an airtight alibi.

Where to start: First: Sky; please refrain from making assumptions as to people's identities. You have me pegged as several different people, some of whom, I have never heard of. I'm not associated "publicly" with this case at all. I work behind the scenes, you could say. Have you ever thought, that mabye people are interested in this story, who don't have a suspect, but, think this story is interesting? Look at Zodiac? They made a movie about it, with no closure. Why can't the same be true with this. I think it is wrong to assume anyone is Cooper, and I think it is wrong to eliminate anyone, until the case is solved. I know who the "new" suspect is, just like I have known about all of the new suspects, the past year. I have friends, who work in the news departments, and give me the scoop, and access to online news, which is only available to the news groups. As for Ted, the first time I heard about him, I thought it was a joke. I thought the two guys on KOIN were just trying to sell a book. but, then, I noticed that Ted and Himmelsback seem to have a relationship, before the hijacking, which I find suspicious. I think it would be a huge blunder, if the fBI passed on investigating him, simply because he is too short. IF you watch the KOIN show, which I have, Himmelsback says Ted would have been a logical suspect, but, he passed on looking at him, since Ted called him that night, not because he was too short, or had blue eyes, etc. I think Himmelsback's comment was "that he has to live with the fact that he is Ted's alibi". Very interesting. That was news to me. Seems odd that a FBI agent, would know a skydiver, and that skydiver, knows the agent is in charge of the hijacking? Plus, isn't an alibi, relate to knowing where someone is during the crime, not after it was completed? Then again. We all know, Himmelsback is no fool... I just can't see him being fooled, and not looking at someone so obvious. Heck, Himmelsback trained police personnel while working as a FBi agent, and was in charge of all hijackings in Portland. He must have had a stellar record. So, who was Cooper? Duane, Ted, McCoy, or the new guy. I think the new guy, which I am very familiar with, contrary to your deragatory statement, is very interesting. Thing is, why would someone like him, need assistance lowering the aftstairs?

QuoteQuote Ckret, I am looking forward to your post on Monday. Just ignore Wilson - he's doing the Bounce thing with the double space and creating distractions. Wish there was a way to put certain posters on ignore,[Reply] But, this is acceptable behavior? Just want to know the ground rules. Regardless, of how many people are banned, if wont' change the fact that the fBI closed the case on Duane, his DNA doesn't match, his prints don't match, he can't be placed in Oregon, he can't be placed in a harness, and Florence Schaffner said he isnt' Cooper. I guess, now, he is just one of 1,000 suspects, hoping to be the man. But, the real Cooper, doesn't want the press, or the jail time, or his assets taken away.

Good call Brenda So, Ckret, in all of your years, you have never seen an eyewitness be off on their estimate? Never? So, you would simply eliminate people, solely on height? FTR: Himmelsback didn't rule out anybody solely on height. why? Because Himmelsback was looking for somebody with a compact build. stocky. Himmelsback did eliminate people, based on their age, and other ridiculous reasons, and that is why the case is unsolved. Obviously, Himmelsback didnt' read all of the 302's, because he was looking for a man in his upper 40's. who's to say, the witness who said Cooper was in his 30's, wasn't correct, and the other's were off. Men are better at guessing the age, height, and weight of men, and vice versa for women. It's just a simple fact, for obvious reasons. Obviously, one of the flight attendants is not accurate. Either Florence or Tina is wrong. One of them says Cooper wasn't wearing his glasses all the time, and the other said his sunglasses never came off. So, the witnesses are far from unanimous regarding the description of Cooper. WE have some who say he was in his 30's, other's 40's. We have some who say he never took off his glasses, and one who said he did. Tina said he re-packed his chute, while most people agree that would be very unlikely. Himmelsback said it never happened. Some say Cooper's eyes were brown, other's say they were dark piercing, black, like someone from India. Mitchell said Cooper was medium build, other's say he was 6 foot tall. Mitchell said his hair was dyed or a wig, since it was shiny. Then, we have 5 different sketches of Cooper. And we are suppose to believe the witnesses were unanimous in what they saw? Sometimes I wonder, if Cooper was able to read the future, and decided to commit suicide, instead of what he saw down the pike. What do you think?

Actually, I am going to disagree with you. First, the ticket agent had no reason to take any notice of Cooper. Dennis Lynse was tracked down 5 hours after he sold the ticket, and helped close to 70 passengers that day, and we are using his identification. actually, you helped me with your argument. Anybody who would have seen Cooper, while on the plane, would have only seen a man who was sitting, in the last row, wearing glasses. Nobody sat in the row with Cooper, and across the aisle, was Mitchell, who said Cooper was medium sized. Nobody sat in the rows ahead of Cooper. As a matter of fact, Mitchell was asked to moved to the front of the plane, as were the other passengers, as the plane was circling Seattle. So, nobody was even close to the guy when the plane landed in Seattle. People did take notice of Cooper as they left the plane, but, only mentioned he was smoking, and was wearing glasses. Nobody knew the jet was hijacked until the money was brought on board in Seattle. even then, not everbody got it. Still, Cooper was seated at the back of the plane. How do you get a hold of his height and weight? WAs he white, approximate age, maybe, that is it, IMO

Good call Nick. To think that Tina was staring at Cooper, trying to figure out his height, and weight, is ridiculous. They were all trying to save their skins. Just what went on in the back of the plane when the plane left Seattle with Tina and Cooper in the back. How about the old, hey, forget what I look like, or I'll come looking for you, trick? Tina was so impressed with Cooper, that she left the airliner not long after the Cooper case, and joined a convent. And, top of it, refused to help the fBI. so, obviously, her main objective, has never been to catch Cooper. And we're suppose to hang our hats on her physical desription of Cooper. I'll pass. Thanks.